Jordan Poyer going into last year of his deal

[Matt_In_NH]

I have not seen this discussed much, as the only first team All Pro for last year, is there consensus he should be extended at an all pro rate?   He is 30 years old.  Franchise tag for a safety was 12.1 million this year, not sure if anyone has a projection on what it will be next year.   What do you think, Bills should be trying to extend him?  Just let him play this year out?

[GunnerBill]

Personally I'd let it play out with Jordan. I think one way or another 2022 will be the last year of the Poyer - Hyde axis. And it will be a case of don't know what you've got 'til it's gone.

[loyal2dagame]

I see another 2 or 3 year extension coming for him. After his next extension he's gone. 

[John from Riverside]

Hamlin........

[BarleyNY]

23 minutes ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

I have not seen this discussed much, as the only first team All Pro for last year, is there consensus he should be extended at an all pro rate?   He is 30 years old.  Franchise tag for a safety was 12.1 million this year, not sure if anyone has a projection on what it will be next year.   What do you think, Bills should be trying to extend him?  Just let him play this year out?

It’ll be interesting to see if he is okay with playing out this year without a new deal.  I keep expecting to see an extension done for him (and Diggs).  This Bills FO has been very tight lipped about extensions (which is a good thing) so it could be in process.  Poyer’s wife has been vocal on social media about his contract in the past.  Nothing like that these days so if I had to bet, I’d say they are negotiating and it is going reasonably well. 

[Scorp83]

I see another extension coming for him, Poyer & Hyde are McDermott’s people! Like those 2 helped build that entire defensive vision for him, no way he let’s that go right now! He rode Kyle Williams until Kyle was ready to go, I think Poyer & Hyde as well will get that same respect type of treatment. I just think right now, they can’t give him an extension, gotta let some of these 1 year deals falls off after this year & get some of that money rolling back into the cap. 

[delirious]

3 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

I see another extension coming for him, Poyer & Hyde are McDermott’s people! Like those 2 helped build that entire defensive vision for him, no way he let’s that go right now! He rode Kyle Williams until Kyle was ready to go, I think Poyer & Hyde as well will get that same respect type of treatment. I just think right now, they can’t give him an extension, gotta let some of these 1 year deals falls off after this year & get some of that money rolling back into the cap. 

 

As of right now, with that logic, then the Bills would have rode Jerry Hughes til he was ready to go and yet here we are with him sitting in FA.

[BuffaloNuts]

5 minutes ago, delirious said:

9 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

I see another extension coming for him, Poyer & Hyde are McDermott’s people! Like those 2 helped build that entire defensive vision for him, no way he let’s that go right now! He rode Kyle Williams until Kyle was ready to go, I think Poyer & Hyde as well will get that same respect type of treatment. I just think right now, they can’t give him an extension, gotta let some of these 1 year deals falls off after this year & get some of that money rolling back into the cap. 

 

As of right now, with that logic, then the Bills would have rode Jerry Hughes til he was ready to go and yet here we are with him sitting in FA.

That's not really the same situation. We've invested heavily on the line the last few years and then bringing in V.Miller. There's simply not room for Jerry. We don't have nearly as much depth at Safety, and Poyer's play hasn't fallen off like Jerry. Loved Jerry here all these years, but he hasn't been scooped up yet for a reason. 

[MasterStrategist]

13 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

I see another extension coming for him, Poyer & Hyde are McDermott’s people! Like those 2 helped build that entire defensive vision for him, no way he let’s that go right now! He rode Kyle Williams until Kyle was ready to go, I think Poyer & Hyde as well will get that same respect type of treatment. I just think right now, they can’t give him an extension, gotta let some of these 1 year deals falls off after this year & get some of that money rolling back into the cap. 

Agree with 1st part, but you lost me on the extension/needing 1 yr deals to expire.  If we extend him, it would likely open more cap space this season...allowing us to potentially target a vet corner and/or draft class money.  

 

Unless I'm misreading your post, it makes sense to extend now if we plan to anyways.

[WotAGuy]

I think they will wait until after the draft to see if anyone promising fell into their lap. Makes sense to wait for the draft before making an extension for Poyer. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

Enjoy the Poyer-Hyde combo one more year, after next seasons, all bets are off imo.

[FarrellsFinest]

I think safety is a position you can get away with having a older player. If the money makes sense we should extend him no doubt.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Personally I'd let it play out with Jordan. I think one way or another 2022 will be the last year of the Poyer - Hyde axis. And it will be a case of don't know what you've got 'til it's gone.

 

Not sure about the whole "Don't know what you've got 'til it's gone." comment because Ive only ever seen nothing but admiration, praise, and appreciation for the duo for Hyde and Poyer from fans, coaches, Beane, teammates, etc.  I think everyone knows exactly what we have, which is one of the top safety tandems in the NFL for the past 4 years and guys who should have more pro bowls to go along with that.  So, I am confused to who this comment is directed at given just about everyone knows just how important they are and have been.

 

I also am not convinced this year will the tandems last year together.  I recognize it certainly is possible, and these types of things happen all the time once you have a big QB contract on the books where tough decisions have to be made with higher priced vets nearing the end of their peak.  With our safeties both being over 30, its not out of the question they take the cap savings by trying to find a young replacement for one of them.  

 

But, the cap is also expected to go up a lot next year, so I think its premature to start looking at guys like Poyer not being retained.  If he has a year this season like he did last year, I think Beane will be more inclined to keep Poyer here another couple seasons.  if there are any signs of slowing down, then that would obviously increase the odds we don't bring him back.  

 

Personally, I think Poyer's future with the Bills may just be tied to Edmunds future.  If Edmunds has a big year this season and Beane decides to resign him, I think that would potentially cost us Poyer.  But if we elect to trade Edmunds or let him walk in FA (or somehow sign him to a much cheaper deal than people think he will get on the open market), then Poyers chance at a return go way up IMHO.  I seriously doubt they will be comfortable losing both Poyer and Edmunds in the same offseason, both those guys are on-field leaders of this defense.  

[Mark Vader]

Draft Daxton Hill?

[Rubes]

11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Not sure about the whole "Don't know what you've got 'til it's gone." comment because Ive only ever seen nothing but admiration, praise, and appreciation for the duo for Hyde and Poyer from fans, coaches, Beane, teammates, etc.  I think everyone knows exactly what we have, which is one of the top safety tandems in the NFL for the past 4 years and guys who should have more pro bowls to go along with that.  So, I am confused to who this comment is directed at given just about everyone knows just how important they are and have been.

 

I also am not convinced this year will the tandems last year together.  I recognize it certainly is possible, and these types of things happen all the time once you have a big QB contract on the books where tough decisions have to be made with higher priced vets nearing the end of their peak.  With our safeties both being over 30, its not out of the question they take the cap savings by trying to find a young replacement for one of them.  

 

But, the cap is also expected to go up a lot next year, so I think its premature to start looking at guys like Poyer not being retained.  If he has a year this season like he did last year, I think Beane will be more inclined to keep Poyer here another couple seasons.  if there are any signs of slowing down, then that would obviously increase the odds we don't bring him back.  

 

Personally, I think Poyer's future with the Bills may just be tied to Edmunds future.  If Edmunds has a big year this season and Beane decides to resign him, I think that would potentially cost us Poyer.  But if we elect to trade Edmunds or let him walk in FA (or somehow sign him to a much cheaper deal than people think he will get on the open market), then Poyers chance at a return go way up IMHO.  I seriously doubt they will be comfortable losing both Poyer and Edmunds in the same offseason, both those guys are on-field leaders of this defense.  

 

I see you there, trying to make this into another Edmunds thread, and I WON'T HAVE IT!

 

😉

 

[MasterStrategist]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Not sure about the whole "Don't know what you've got 'til it's gone." comment because Ive only ever seen nothing but admiration, praise, and appreciation for the duo for Hyde and Poyer from fans, coaches, Beane, teammates, etc.  I think everyone knows exactly what we have, which is one of the top safety tandems in the NFL for the past 4 years and guys who should have more pro bowls to go along with that.  So, I am confused to who this comment is directed at given just about everyone knows just how important they are and have been.

 

I also am not convinced this year will the tandems last year together.  I recognize it certainly is possible, and these types of things happen all the time once you have a big QB contract on the books where tough decisions have to be made with higher priced vets nearing the end of their peak.  With our safeties both being over 30, its not out of the question they take the cap savings by trying to find a young replacement for one of them.  

 

But, the cap is also expected to go up a lot next year, so I think its premature to start looking at guys like Poyer not being retained.  If he has a year this season like he did last year, I think Beane will be more inclined to keep Poyer here another couple seasons.  if there are any signs of slowing down, then that would obviously increase the odds we don't bring him back.  

 

Personally, I think Poyer's future with the Bills may just be tied to Edmunds future.  If Edmunds has a big year this season and Beane decides to resign him, I think that would potentially cost us Poyer.  But if we elect to trade Edmunds or let him walk in FA (or somehow sign him to a much cheaper deal than people think he will get on the open market), then Poyers chance at a return go way up IMHO.  I seriously doubt they will be comfortable losing both Poyer and Edmunds in the same offseason, both those guys are on-field leaders of this defense.  

Agree with this.

 

I also think they should try tying him and Hyde to same contract length. 

 

To me, it's the duo not individual safety, that makes this tandem so good.  Their communication, instincts, ability to both play a FS/SS role, mix up coverages, etc is what is so special.  I don't think we get that with 1 and not the other.  

 

So I'm trying to keep the duo together for 2 more years.

 

Aside, i do like Hamlin and thought he'd go in the 4th last year, thought we got good value.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, Rubes said:

 

I see you there, trying to make this into another Edmunds thread, and I WON'T HAVE IT!

 

😉

 

 

BELIEVE ME...I knew the risks when I wrote that.  Hahahaha, but sadly, it had to be said as I think it will have a direct impact on retaining guys like Poyer now that we signed Von Miller.

Just now, MasterStrategist said:

Agree with this.

 

I also think they should try tying him and Hyde to same contract length. 

 

To me, it's the duo not individual safety, that makes this tandem so good.  Their communication, instincts, ability to both play a FS/SS role, mix up coverages, etc is what is so special.  I don't think we get that with 1 and not the other.  

 

So I'm trying to keep the duo together for 2 more years.

 

Aside, i do like Hamlin and thought he'd go in the 4th last year, thought we got good value.

 

Yes totally agree that part of what makes them so great is just how close they are, how well they play off each other, etc.  They are a dynamic duo in that way, so bringing Poyer back to match Hydes time here is ideally what I think Beane would look to do regardless.  

[Success]

I see a pretty heavy CB & Safety draft for the Bills.

 

[Scorp83]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

Agree with 1st part, but you lost me on the extension/needing 1 yr deals to expire.  If we extend him, it would likely open more cap space this season...allowing us to potentially target a vet corner and/or draft class money.  

 

Unless I'm misreading your post, it makes sense to extend now if we plan to anyways.

What I meant was Beane said we have no more money….so yes if we had it…then signing him will cheapin his contract but I think it’s better to wait the year because guy’s like Shaq Lawson, Crowder, OJ Howard, Ect…will free up some cash once they’re contracts run it’s course in a year. Also, we have enough for our draft picks and to fill the rest of the roster out for camp. But I don’t think there’s enough money to get some sort of long term deal done…at least that what I got from Beane interview 

1 hour ago, BuffaloNuts said:

That's not really the same situation. We've invested heavily on the line the last few years and then bringing in V.Miller. There's simply not room for Jerry. We don't have nearly as much depth at Safety, and Poyer's play hasn't fallen off like Jerry. Loved Jerry here all these years, but he hasn't been scooped up yet for a reason. 

Exactly! Poyer play hasn’t dropped off & I think he has another 4 more years in him to play at a high level. 

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[MasterStrategist]

5 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

What I meant was Beane said we have no more money….so yes if we had it…then signing him will cheapin his contract but I think it’s better to wait the year because guy’s like Shaq Lawson, Crowder, OJ Howard, Ect…will free up some cash once they’re contracts run it’s course in a year. 

Exactly! Poyer play hasn’t dropped off & I think he has another 4 more years in him to play at a high level. 

Again confused, because it's not like we need to come up with "new money" to sign Poyer, actually extending him would likely create more cap room in 2022.

 

I think Beanes comment was about signing any new FAs, at least as of now.  They have decent wiggle room available, if they want to extend or convert a couple players salaries to bonus $s.  Beane is very methodical/calculated with his approach, so I trust he will budget accordingly.

[GETTOTHE50]

i ❤️ poyer and he has to retire a bill

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

i ❤️ poyer and he has to retire a bill

Agree, I hope he does.  I He has spent most of his time here and meet with the most pro success.

[Buftex]

2 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Again confused, because it's not like we need to come up with "new money" to sign Poyer, actually extending him would likely create more cap room in 2022.

 

I think Beanes comment was about signing any new FAs, at least as of now.  They have decent wiggle room available, if they want to extend or convert a couple players salaries to bonus $s.  Beane is very methodical/calculated with his approach, so I trust he will budget accordingly.

I know that Beane doesn't like to get too far ahead of himself, but it seems like he could create more cap space, for this season, by extending Poyer and Diggs, should a good player become available this off-season.  

 

Oh man, just as I type this, mention that Terry McLaurin could become available! He's fantastic.

[wppete]

How are we going to pay everyone? We have to make some trades after this season or let some guys walk. We got Poyer, Diggs, Edmunds, Knox, Oliver and others to pay some huge money to. 

[FilthyBeast]

Just now, wppete said:

How are we going to pay everyone? We have to make some trades after this season or let some guys walk. We got Poyer, Diggs, Edmunds, Knox, Oliver and others to pay some huge money to. 

 

Even though there are ways to circumvent the salary cap like the Saints did for years and the Bills are now doing, at some point you have to let certain players go and I definitely don't see both Hyde and Poyer here beyond 2022 which is why it's imperative to try and win a championship this season why we still have them.

[DCofNC]

I’d hate to see him go, but I won’t be shocked if they move on.  He is 30 and abused his body, we may have seen his best years already.  I would not be opposed to a 3 year extension, moving a lot of his salary to a bonus this year, and adding more in signing bonus to it and trimming his cap hit down to call it 7M a year for the next 3 years if he would go for it, still gets paid and we keep a high performer on a reasonable deal. 

[Buftex]

6 minutes ago, wppete said:

How are we going to pay everyone? We have to make some trades after this season or let some guys walk. We got Poyer, Diggs, Edmunds, Knox, Oliver and others to pay some huge money to. 

You gotta keep Oliver...

[GunnerBill]

54 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Not sure about the whole "Don't know what you've got 'til it's gone." comment because Ive only ever seen nothing but admiration, praise, and appreciation for the duo for Hyde and Poyer from fans, coaches, Beane, teammates, etc.  I think everyone knows exactly what we have, which is one of the top safety tandems in the NFL for the past 4 years and guys who should have more pro bowls to go along with that.  So, I am confused to who this comment is directed at given just about everyone knows just how important they are and have been.

 

I also am not convinced this year will the tandems last year together.  I recognize it certainly is possible, and these types of things happen all the time once you have a big QB contract on the books where tough decisions have to be made with higher priced vets nearing the end of their peak.  With our safeties both being over 30, its not out of the question they take the cap savings by trying to find a young replacement for one of them.  

 

But, the cap is also expected to go up a lot next year, so I think its premature to start looking at guys like Poyer not being retained.  If he has a year this season like he did last year, I think Beane will be more inclined to keep Poyer here another couple seasons.  if there are any signs of slowing down, then that would obviously increase the odds we don't bring him back.  

 

Personally, I think Poyer's future with the Bills may just be tied to Edmunds future.  If Edmunds has a big year this season and Beane decides to resign him, I think that would potentially cost us Poyer.  But if we elect to trade Edmunds or let him walk in FA (or somehow sign him to a much cheaper deal than people think he will get on the open market), then Poyers chance at a return go way up IMHO.  I seriously doubt they will be comfortable losing both Poyer and Edmunds in the same offseason, both those guys are on-field leaders of this defense.  

 

I wasn't suggesting anyone had been critical of them. It is simply the case that you can think you know how important they are as a pair, but until you see the defense without one of them nobody will really appreciate how important they were as a pair. The innate chemistry they have is almost impossible to replicate. 

 

Could both be back another year? Sure. Personally I doubt it though. I think 2022 is the last act. 

[wppete]

13 minutes ago, Buftex said:

You gotta keep Oliver...

Completely agree. Pay the man now before this season because I think he is going to have a career year.  

[Scorp83]

34 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Again confused, because it's not like we need to come up with "new money" to sign Poyer, actually extending him would likely create more cap room in 2022.

 

I think Beanes comment was about signing any new FAs, at least as of now.  They have decent wiggle room available, if they want to extend or convert a couple players salaries to bonus $s.  Beane is very methodical/calculated with his approach, so I trust he will budget accordingly.

I agree…I just think he would let Poyer deal play out…no need in shuffling the cap around if you don’t have to. The bottom line, Poyer is under contract this year…I think he’ll get him locked up before he hits free agency next year…

we’re pretty much saying the same thing…only difference your saying Beane can move things around to get it done this year. Whereas I think Beane will wait until next year where he doesn’t have to move things around. 

 

[billsbackto81]

He still plays at a high level so I'd give him a "team friendly" deal for 2 years.

 

Rachel gets 1 year with an option ☺

[Alphadawg7]

49 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I wasn't suggesting anyone had been critical of them. It is simply the case that you can think you know how important they are as a pair, but until you see the defense without one of them nobody will really appreciate how important they were as a pair. The innate chemistry they have is almost impossible to replicate. 

 

Could both be back another year? Sure. Personally I doubt it though. I think 2022 is the last act. 

 

Thats just it, I think everyone knows and understands its them as a pair that makes them great.  I just don't think that is overlooked or misunderstood about the pair of dynamic safeties we have.

 

I still think its possible Poyer returns on a 2 year deal to play out Hyde's contract.  He had arguably his best season of his career last year and shows no signs of slowing down.  Like I said before though, I think his odds of returning are directly tied to what ultimately happens with Edmunds.  

[TheFunPolice]

I want Poyer and Hyde out there on their 60th birthdays...

 

We are going to miss having such good safety play for so long. Great safeties are hard to find, let alone 2 at the same time. 

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

I want Poyer and Hyde out there on their 60th birthdays...

 

We are going to miss having such good safety play for so long. Great safeties are hard to find, let alone 2 at the same time. 

 

And let alone the combination. Because you could draft two superior players individually and end up with lesser production. And that is kind of my point about people not knowing what we have until it's gone. I actually think the Bills could draft Kyle Hamilton and Daxton Hill (I know they couldn't but bear with me) and not get what Poyer and Hyde have given them. And Hamilton is arguably the best safety to come out in over a decade and Hill is a bona fide 1st round talent too. 

[JohnNord]

4 hours ago, loyal2dagame said:

I see another 2 or 3 year extension coming for him. After his next extension he's gone. 

I think this is most likely

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Even though there are ways to circumvent the salary cap like the Saints did for years and the Bills are now doing, at some point you have to let certain players go and I definitely don't see both Hyde and Poyer here beyond 2022 which is why it's imperative to try and win a championship this season why we still have them.

 
Also just because you can sign guys does not mean you should.   Deciding who to give contracts to and who to let go is crticial to having a sustained ability to compete for the SB.  

[Niagara Bill]

2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Agree, I hope he does.  I He has spent most of his time here and meet with the most pro success.

But the money wheel keeps changing, do you pay cb or both players at safety? We are paying lb/de next yr so what gives. 

Great safety tandems are highly regarded, and when superior make cbs look good, but when they slow or become injury problems they can be a financial liability.

[ExWNYer]

 

[Punching Bag]

Give his contract an extension with disincentives.  Every time his wife posts about the Bills business side of things it gets discounted.