McDermott: "We need to evolve"...sounds like he wants fewer designed Allen runs

[Big Turk]

Says they need to do right by Allen and do right by the team...

 

Maybe that was part of the rift that was reported with Daboll?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sean-mcdermott-prefer-josh-allen-010459938.html

Edited March 27, 2022 by Big Turk

[SectionC3]

Sounds like a Bobby Johnson issue.  17 has been our best short yardage back and that has to change. 

[Milanos Milano]

Breece Hall! That’s your answer McD. 

[DJB]

- Oline needs to be better 

- Need more of a rushing threat other than Allen 

[julian]

Limit designed QB runs to inside the opposing 10 yard line… and give Josh the green light to take off on his own whenever he sees fit

[hondo in seattle]

I would never completely eliminate RPOs or designed runs.   But I would save them for big games.

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Need less of the designed runs in regular season to save Josh’s body for the postseason… 

 

Yeah postseason anything goes...they would likely be even more effective if they used them less during the year because teams wouldn't be ready for them

[RobbRiddick]

I don't like the designed runs, especially in the regular season. His scrambles when things break down are another matter. So dangerous and really screw up the defences game planning. 

 

I agree though, save the designed stuff for the championship game and SB

[JaCrispy]

32 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Sounds like a Bobby Johnson issue.  17 has been our best short yardage back and that has to change. 

...And long yardage...👍

[JMM]

That's EXACTLY  what I take out of those remarks and he is RIGHT! We simply cannot continue to use him in designed runs like that. As effective as it is, that's not a smart plan for your franchise QB. It's simply too risky. Once in a while, sure.  Qb sneaks? Absolutely. And let him do his thing whenever protection breaks down. But the planned runs need to be scaled waaay back and I believe they will 

[Let's Go Buffalo]

Having a balanced attack not only helps preserve Allen's body, but it also takes less pressure off his shoulders as well. You've got to keep the defense guessing in order to get the most out of your offense, and I realize that's easier said than done, but it's important for more reasons than one. 

[keepthefaith]

Draft a real running back if available. 

[bobobonators]

26 minutes ago, julian said:

Limit designed QB runs to inside the opposing 10 yard line… and give Josh the green light to take off on his own whenever he sees fit

I can get behind this. I would really try to limit designed runs unless we are within that 10-15yd line. Allen’s ability to run there is a huge weapon and being so close to the end zone risk/reward makes sense. 

[Charles Romes]

RB in the first to preserve Allen. Can’t argue with that. 

[JoshAllin]

"But the one thing we will never take from Josh is his competitive nature and spirit. So, he’s going to do it when he’s going to do it.”

It'd be a mistake trying to limit him

[Doc Brown]

McDermott saw what happened to Cam first hand.  It's a cautionary tale the Bills need to learn real quick.  Article from 2016....

 

 Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton has taken a beating in his NFL career, far more than any quarterback in recent history. And suddenly, at the still-young age of 27, Newton is facing the first flash point between playing style and long-term future.

 

Newton is officially cleared to return from a concussion suffered when he tried scrambling into the end zone in Week 4. The play, and his subsequent one-game absence, was a reminder that no quarterback -- not even one who broke into the league with a patented "Superman" celebration -- can indefinitely absorb unnecessary punishment without consequence.?

 

Ahead of Sunday's game in New Orleans, let's take a closer look at what Newton has exposed his body to during his six-year career. The Panthers say they won't limit his running or impose a fundamental change in their offense, but we'll consider a suggestion for lessening the toll nonetheless.

 

Newton has been hit on 831 plays over 82 games in his career, an average of about 10 per game. The number may sound small, but it is actually extraordinary in the context of other quarterbacks. The next-closest quarterback has taken nearly 300 fewer hits over the same time period. This tally includes every play he has been hit on while either on the run or while throwing, but it is capped at one hit per play and doesn't include contact after the throw or on two-point conversions.

 

Since 2011, the Panthers have called more than twice the number of designed runs for Newton than any other team has for another quarterback. And they have resulted in 1,941 rushing yards, more than double Russell Wilson's 833. Nearly two-thirds of Newton's designed QB runs have gone between the guards, where maximum contact occurs. Newton also has taken off on more scrambles -- runs when a pass play breaks down -- than anyone but Wilson over this span. In all, Newton has been hit at least once on 533 of 575 plays that were either designed runs or meaningful scrambles in his career.

Edited March 27, 2022 by Doc Brown

[TBBills]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

McDermott saw what happened to Cam first hand.  It's a cautionary tale the Bills need to learn real quick.  Article from 2016....

 

 Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton has taken a beating in his NFL career, far more than any quarterback in recent history. And suddenly, at the still-young age of 27, Newton is facing the first flash point between playing style and long-term future.

Newton is officially cleared to return from a concussion suffered when he tried scrambling into the end zone in Week 4. The play, and his subsequent one-game absence, was a reminder that no quarterback -- not even one who broke into the league with a patented "Superman" celebration -- can indefinitely absorb unnecessary punishment without consequence.?

 

Ahead of Sunday's game in New Orleans, let's take a closer look at what Newton has exposed his body to during his six-year career. The Panthers say they won't limit his running or impose a fundamental change in their offense, but we'll consider a suggestion for lessening the toll nonetheless.

 

Newton has been hit on 831 plays over 82 games in his career, an average of about 10 per game. The number may sound small, but it is actually extraordinary in the context of other quarterbacks. The next-closest quarterback has taken nearly 300 fewer hits over the same time period. This tally includes every play he has been hit on while either on the run or while throwing, but it is capped at one hit per play and doesn't include contact after the throw or on two-point conversions.

 

Since 2011, the Panthers have called more than twice the number of designed runs for Newton than any other team has for another quarterback. And they have resulted in 1,941 rushing yards, more than double Russell Wilson's 833. Nearly two-thirds of Newton's designed QB runs have gone between the guards, where maximum contact occurs. Newton also has taken off on more scrambles -- runs when a pass play breaks down -- than anyone but Wilson over this span. In all, Newton has been hit at least once on 533 of 575 plays that were either designed runs or meaningful scrambles in his career.

Cam Newton is a delicate flower compared to Josh.

[GoBills808]

Just now, TBBills said:

Cam Newton is a delicate flower compared to Josh.

No

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

Cam Newton is a delicate flower compared to Josh.

Newton missed two games the first four years of his career with the same playing style.  Josh missed three I believe his rookie year.  It's unsustainable.

[TBBills]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

No

I have seen cry like a baby but never seen him stiff arm Aaron Donald.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, TBBills said:

I have seen cry like a baby but never seen him stiff arm Aaron Donald.

I guarantee I’ve watched 10x more Cam Newton games than you have

 

your take is not close

[julian]

9 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Cam Newton is a delicate flower compared to Josh.

Yeah even though they’re comparable in size and both run between the tackles… Allen runs with more physicality and looks to end runs on his terms, Newton defiantly tries to avoid confrontation.

[TBBills]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

I guarantee I’ve watched 10x more Cam Newton games than you have

 

your take is not close

At least josh allen won't listen to you and keep doing what is needed to win games.

 

He gets hit harder when he is in the pocket, he rarely gets his on his runs and more often than not jump overs them.

Edited March 27, 2022 by TBBills

[GoBills808]

🤦‍♂️Ok good talk

[GoBills808]

Look at Cam Newton avoiding contact and going for this first down like a delicate flower lmfao

 

[Malazan]

Evolve or die. Too much of the time the offense struggled and it seemed like Daboll would just go to "Give it to Allen on a run". It felt like last season he really depended on that a bit too much. I mean, I get it, you have an Allen, you use him, but maybe help him out.. the schemes just didn't seem to be there this year that were there last season that let them ignore even pretending to have something besides Allen in the running game. 

[jkeerie]

2 minutes ago, Malazan said:

Evolve or die. Too much of the time the offense struggled and it seemed like Daboll would just go to "Give it to Allen on a run". It felt like last season he really depended on that a bit too much. I mean, I get it, you have an Allen, you use him, but maybe help him out.. the schemes just didn't seem to be there this year that were there last season that let them ignore even pretending to have something besides Allen in the running game. 

I think it may be shown this season that Allen made Daboll as opposed to vice versa.

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Look at Cam Newton avoiding contact and going for this first down like a delicate flower lmfao

 

People have a warped view of him because he didn't dive for that fumble in the Super Bowl.  He never played soft.  The narrative after his MVP season is he's just built differently and can take all that punishment.  He should definitely be a cautionary tale for the Bills.  

Edited March 27, 2022 by Doc Brown

[Buftex]

56 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Breece Hall! That’s your answer McD. 

Funny, this past week, I heard a draft "expert" on GR55 saying that Hall was elite, and what set him apart from other RB's in the draft was his "vision".  Said that Iowa State ran an offense that emphasized running backs who are patient, and can make defensive reads on the fly.  The day before that, they had the guy who does the "Locked On Bills" who is also a "draft expert" (Joe Marino) say that he was not high on Breece Hall, at all, because he "lacked vision" required to succeed at the NFL level.  I can't remember ever hearing such polar opposite assessments of the same player.  Marino thinks Hall would be a terrible pick for the Bills... though I think he is one of those who is not generally inclined toward taking RB's in the first round.  Personally, I have no opinion on Hall, just thought it was interesting, as I have seen a number of people mention him as their preferred pick for the Bills.

[BuffaloBill]

RB’s tend to have short NFL careers. There is not likely to be a positive end to using your once in a generation arm talent QB as though he is an RB. Josh can scramble and at at very select times play the run. To me it looked like opposing teams did a halfway decent job stopping the Bills RPO.

 

Develop a “real” run game and see how good Josh will be as a QB. 

[Buftex]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Says they need to do right by Allen and do right by the team...

 

Maybe that was part of the rift that was reported with Daboll?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sean-mcdermott-prefer-josh-allen-010459938.html

When I saw this from McDermott, my alarm went off.  I don't mind that McDermott wants to see Josh run less (though I think his running, late in the season was a big part of what took his passing game to the next level) not sure why he needs to say stuff like that out-loud. 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, Buftex said:

Funny, this past week, I heard a draft "expert" on GR55 saying that Hall was elite, and what set him apart from other RB's in the draft was his "vision".  Said that Iowa State ran an offense that emphasized running backs who are patient, and can make defensive reads on the fly.  The day before that, they had the guy who does the "Locked On Bills" who is also a "draft expert" (Joe Marino) say that he was not high on Breece Hall, at all, because he "lacked vision" required to succeed at the NFL level.  I can't remember ever hearing such polar opposite assessments of the same player.  Marino thinks Hall would be a terrible pick for the Bills... though I think he is one of those who is not generally inclined toward taking RB's in the first round.  Personally, I have no opinion on Hall, just thought it was interesting, as I have seen a number of people mention him as their preferred pick for the Bills.

Remember how these "experts" dogged Josh Allen pre draft. 😎

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Breece Hall! That’s your answer McD. 

He was 70% of Iowa State offense and teams couldn't stop him

[TBBills]

9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

People have a warped view of him because he didn't dive for that fumble in the Super Bowl.  He never played soft.  The narrative after his MVP season is he's just built differently and can take all that punishment.  He should definitely be a cautionary tale for the Bills.  

No b.c that was the real Cam Newton, not one single play but his career of being soft.

Edited March 27, 2022 by TBBills

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

People have a warped view of him because he didn't dive for that fumble in the Super Bowl.  He never played soft.  The narrative after his MVP season is he's just built differently and can take all that punishment.  He should definitely be a cautionary tale for the Bills.  

His career was shortened imo as much by the amount of damage he took in the pocket as he did running. I’ve never seen an NFL quarterback get fewer calls than Newton ever.

[buffblue]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

People have a warped view of him because he didn't dive for that fumble in the Super Bowl.  He never played soft and the narrative after his MVP season is he's just built differently and can take all that punishment.  He should definitely be a cautionary tale for the Bills.  

This is true. The good news is that Allen is 10 times the passer that Cam ever was.

 

Can you believe that in his MVP season he was a sub 60 percent thrower? And 2015 was by far his best. Newton reminds of Ryan Miller when he played for the Sabres - 1 standout year (in Miller's case 2009-2010) and then decidedly average otherwise.

[Don Otreply]

39 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

Draft a real running back if available. 

It’s the O-line, always has been.

A better o-line increases the effectiveness of BOTH the run game and the passing game. 

[HamSandwhich]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

- Oline needs to be better 

- Need more of a rushing threat other than Allen 

Singletary was picking it up when he was given feature back carries at the end of the year but I agree we need something else to put us over the top.

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Remember how these "experts" dogged Josh Allen pre draft. 😎

It was a mixed bag.  I remember the younger analytics crowd hated him.  The more recognizable/seasoned "experts" (McShay, Kiper, Mayock) had him ranked as their second best QB prospect after Darnold.  Allen was definitely one of the most polarizing prospects ever.

[Niagara Dude]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Says they need to do right by Allen and do right by the team...

 

Maybe that was part of the rift that was reported with Daboll?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sean-mcdermott-prefer-josh-allen-010459938.html

I agree with Sean,  less designed Allen runs unless it's the playoffs.  Hope the Bills draft a speed RB with 2nd or 3rd round picks,  I am not sold on Singletary as a starting RB on a title contending team.

[Steptide]

Designed runs never really worked well for us anyway. What makes Allen such a good runner, is when he drops back, scans the field and THEN runs.