Breece Hall Please!!

[NewEra]

Just now, Magnum Force said:

Yes but neither is Von Miller… The window is open for a Superbowl this year… let’s take it

Lol.  You’re comparing acquiring an all time pass rusher that has won two Super Bowls, including this last years….to a rb. 
 

Von will have a massive impact on winning now and the future by imparting his wisdom in our young DL draft picks.  A Rb will run through open holes or get stuffed most of the time. 

[Magnum Force]

Just now, NewEra said:

Lol.  You’re comparing acquiring an all time pass rusher that has won two Super Bowls, including this last years….to a rb. 
 

Von will have a massive impact on winning now and the future by imparting his wisdom in our young DL draft picks.  A Rb will run through open holes or get stuffed most of the time. 

Von Miller is how old in 3 days?  How much and how long is his contract?  You said sustained dominance… I am talking about for this year. 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Von Miller is how old in 3 days?  How much and how long is his contract?  You said sustained dominance… I am talking about for this year. 

I said winning and sustained dominance.  Winning now….and imparting his wisdom on  Ed, Rousseau, Basham, AJ and the rest of our D.  He will make everyone a better player.  That will help with sustained dominance.  Not everything is surface level.

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

10 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Agreed. It’s a good strategic counter balance. Plus Breece would make Allen even more deadly. Teams have to totally game plan around both which makes it nearly impossible. Just thinking about it gets me excited. 

That speed and size underneath in the pass game forces defenses to move up and cause a linebacker to worry about Breece coming out of the backfield and it opens a lot of space for josh to scramble.

[DCofNC]

20 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

That speed and size underneath in the pass game forces defenses to move up and cause a linebacker to worry about Breece coming out of the backfield and it opens a lot of space for josh to scramble.

This I agree with whole heartedly. He does cause match-up problems, no matter how you look at it.  If he goes to the flat, you aren’t leaving a CB on him, going to take a LB to handle someone that big.

[John from Riverside]

Some B. Hall you tube porn for you:

 

 

 

[gonzo1105]

37 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Some B. Hall you tube porn for you:

 

 

 

I couldn’t make it through. The guy talks too much and he doesn’t have a great grasp on needs. I mean DT is not a need or is TE. 

[Mikie2times]

I have bet on a ton of Iowa State games in the last 5 years, likely because Matt Campbell seems to do so well in the 2nd half of the season and his teams seem to always fly under the radar. I watched a lot of David Montgomery and then his predecessor, Breece Hall. While I liked both players, I feel Montgomery played faster than his 40 and Hall slower with Montgomery being a much more physical back. Hall is still a good player, but can I say he is better within 10 yards than Motor? Further, do I think his 4.39 really matters at the next level? No on both accounts.

 

I just don't see how he warrants a selection by us early. We are better off with our current puff puff give than adding another guy to it. 

[TFBillsfan]

With what we have done in Free Agency and our cap limitations, we have a huge hole at CB right now. Tre isn’t predicted to be back until Oct/Nov. Not addressing CB within the first two rounds would be a huge concern. We need a starter to instantly perform as a rookie. To put all of our chips on Dane Jackson would be a mistake IMO.

 

Running Back in the first round would be bad.

[freddyjj]

7 hours ago, Magnum Force said:

I just like Hall’s size, speed and pass catching ability out of the backfield… it makes our offense so much more versatile, unpredictable and explosive in all areas

Funny most scouting reports I've read question his route running ability, hands and pass pro.  The folks at Iowa State took him off the field on many 3rd downs because of this. 

https://www.draftdive.com/breece-hall-scouting-report/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10021450-breece-hall-nfl-draft-2022-scouting-report-for-iowa-state-rb

 

Both of these have him as a 2nd rd talent.   

 

[Magnum Force]

49 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Funny most scouting reports I've read question his route running ability, hands and pass pro.  The folks at Iowa State took him off the field on many 3rd downs because of this. 

https://www.draftdive.com/breece-hall-scouting-report/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10021450-breece-hall-nfl-draft-2022-scouting-report-for-iowa-state-rb

 

Both of these have him as a 2nd rd talent.   

 

I am not arguing that..but there is a high likelihood he won’t be there at pick 57.  Derrick Henry and Jonathan Taylor were both rated as 2nd Round talents.  Sometimes you have to go with your gut instincts.   Which CB do you want?  There are 4 … potentially 5 that come into play at pick 25.  

[freddyjj]

22 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Which CB do you want?  There are 4 … potentially 5 that come into play at pick 25.  

Booth for me.  

[Magnum Force]

I want Breece Hall but…

My wish list at pick 25 in order.
1) Breece Hall RB
2) Trent McDuffie CB
3) Treylon Burks WR
4) Trevor Penning OL
5) Andrew Booth CB
6) Jameson Williams WR
7) Kyler Gordon CB

[OldTimer1960]

On 3/23/2022 at 1:47 PM, NewEra said:

Lol.  You’re comparing acquiring an all time pass rusher that has won two Super Bowls, including this last years….to a rb. 
 

Von will have a massive impact on winning now and the future by imparting his wisdom in our young DL draft picks.  A Rb will run through open holes or get stuffed most of the time. 

Yep, Breece Hall in the Bills’ backfield last year just would have gotten hit 1.5 yards in the backfield instead of 2 yards deep.

Edited March 24, 2022 by OldTimer1960

[JaCrispy]

2 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

I want Breece Hall but…

My wish list at pick 25 in order.
1) Breece Hall RB
2) Trent McDuffie CB
3) Treylon Burks WR
4) Trevor Penning OL
5) Andrew Booth CB
6) Jameson Williams WR
7) Kyler Gordon CB

I like all those except for Burks 👍

[Magnum Force]

Just now, JaCrispy said:

I like all those except for Burks 👍

Burks has that DK Metcalf aura to him

[hondo in seattle]

On 3/16/2022 at 11:55 PM, Big Turk said:

Just say no to RB man...it's not a value position.

 

WR or CB

 

NFL teams still run about 44% of the time (the Bills around 41%).  Don't you want those plays to be successful?  A good/great RB will help move the chains and make it harder for defenses to scheme solely for Josh and his wideouts.

 

Though I agree it's not our biggest need.  I'd go CB or OL.

 

 

[OldTimer1960]

2 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

NFL teams still run about 44% of the time (the Bills around 41%).  Don't you want those plays to be successful?  A good/great RB will help move the chains and make it harder for defenses to scheme solely for Josh and his wideouts.

 

Though I agree it's not our biggest need.  I'd go CB or OL.

 

 

Well, yes maybe.  I can argue that a good OL is a better way to have a good run game.

[hondo in seattle]

22 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Funny most scouting reports I've read question his route running ability, hands and pass pro.  The folks at Iowa State took him off the field on many 3rd downs because of this. 

https://www.draftdive.com/breece-hall-scouting-report/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10021450-breece-hall-nfl-draft-2022-scouting-report-for-iowa-state-rb

 

Both of these have him as a 2nd rd talent.   

 

 

Thanks for the links.   Considering we're a pass-first team, this from BR is concerning:

 

"...His route tree is limited to checkdowns and screens, which does limit some of his versatility...  Hall will need to keep developing his pass protection to stay on the field on passing downs...  His effort and technique can be inconsistent, and he can be prone to cutting blitzers, which is disappointing given his size..."

[BillsFanForever19]

There seems to be 3 lines of thinking amongst fans:

 

1.) Take Breece Hall in Round 1

2.) Take a RB in the middle rounds

3.) Don't take a RB at all, maybe Round 6 or 7

 

I'm FIRMLY in Camp 2. I think people in Camps 1 and 3 are nuts.

Edited March 24, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[hondo in seattle]

14 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Well, yes maybe.  I can argue that a good OL is a better way to have a good run game.

 

I agree actually.  Let me show my age...  Back in 1971, I watched Willie Ellison run 26 times for 247 yards, breaking Cookie Gilchrist's single game record.   OJ, of course, would later break Ellison's record.

 

Don't remember Willie Ellison?  Most fans don't.  Willie wasn't a great back.  But he ran through the biggest holes I've ever seen in an NFL game.  

 

I'd love to have a Cookie or OJ clone on this team.  But even more so, I'd love an offensive line that could dominate defenders the way those Rams linemen did for Willie that sunny Southern California day.  

 

Edited March 24, 2022 by hondo in seattle

[Big Turk]

17 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

NFL teams still run about 44% of the time (the Bills around 41%).  Don't you want those plays to be successful?  A good/great RB will help move the chains and make it harder for defenses to scheme solely for Josh and his wideouts.

 

Though I agree it's not our biggest need.  I'd go CB or OL.

 

 

 

Singletary isn't successful? He averages over 4.5 YPC in his career, well above average.

[hondo in seattle]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Singletary isn't successful? He averages over 4.5 YPC in his career, well above average.

 

Sure he does ~ against teams playing some flavor of pass defense.  Thurman only average 4.2 in his career.  Stats tell us Motor is better than Thomas.  Stats lie.  

 

Thurman, Cookie, OJ. ~ they'd all be averaging over 7 YPC against the kind of defenses Singletary has faced.  Imagine what we could do if we could resurrect or rejuvenate our past RB stars.  How would opponents defend us?   Load the box to stop the run and we'll throw on you.  Sit back in a shell, and we'll run all over you.  

 

I appreciate Motor for who he is and what he does.  But we'd be downright scary if we had a Tier 1 back.  

 

 

[OldTimer1960]

11 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I agree actually.  Let me show my age...  Back in 1971, I watched Willie Ellison run 26 times for 247 yards, breaking Cookie Gilchrist's single game record.   OJ, of course, would later break Ellison's record.

 

Don't remember Willie Ellison?  Most fans don't.  Willie wasn't a great back.  But he ran through the biggest holes I've ever seen in an NFL game.  

 

I'd love to have a Cookie or OJ clone on this team.  But even more so, I'd love an offensive line that could dominate defenders the way those Rams linemen did for Willie that sunny Southern California day.  

 

I also remember OJ not having success in his rookie year behind a poor OL.

[Magnum Force]

1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I appreciate Motor for who he is and what he does.  But we'd be downright scary if we had a Tier 1 back.  

 

 

So True

[Magox]

His highlights are uhhhh

 

Insane.

 

 

 

Super smooth, instinctive and explosive.

 

Would definitely be an impact player and upgrade.

[What a Tuel]

6 minutes ago, Magox said:

His highlights are uhhhh

 

Insane.

 

 

 

Super smooth, instinctive and explosive.

 

Would definitely be an impact player and upgrade.

 

I will have to watch the rest, but the 1st several highlights give me the impression he just barely gets in the endzone on short runs. The first long run he gets tackled from behind. I have visions of 2 yard gains on 3rd and goal dancing in my head but after dinner I will check out the rest.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Singletary isn't successful? He averages over 4.5 YPC in his career, well above average.

He puts NO FEAR in any defensive coordinators heart

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He puts NO FEAR in any defensive coordinators heart

 

Don't need him to, just gain some yards. That's Allen and Diggs job.

Edited March 25, 2022 by Big Turk

[Solomon Grundy]

@Big Turk, Singletary is not giving you this!! Need to have answer for two high safeties 

[Solomon Grundy]

 

[Big Turk]

22 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

@Big Turk, Singletary is not giving you this!! Need to have answer for two high safeties 

 

The answer is and always has been complete underneath stuff and to the backs out of the backfield to beat two high safeties.

 

Bills are not going to try to run teams out of that look, just not what they are built on.

[Solomon Grundy]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The answer is and always has been complete underneath stuff and to the backs out of the backfield to beat two high safeties.

 

Bills are not going to try to run teams out of that look, just not what they are built on.

Exactly!! I think McDermott is trying to incorporate that dimension into the offense hence the headbutting with Daboll

[Milanos Milano]

26 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The answer is and always has been complete underneath stuff and to the backs out of the backfield to beat two high safeties.

 

Bills are not going to try to run teams out of that look, just not what they are built on.

He is the best underneath RB in the draft. Josh can check down teams to death with Breece. 

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Thanks for the links.   Considering we're a pass-first team, this from BR is concerning:

 

"...His route tree is limited to checkdowns and screens, which does limit some of his versatility...  Hall will need to keep developing his pass protection to stay on the field on passing downs...  His effort and technique can be inconsistent, and he can be prone to cutting blitzers, which is disappointing given his size..."

6’1 220 4.39 

this thread has taught me that nothing else matters. 

2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

 

Did you watch our offense shred in the playoffs?  And we were wrecking single safety at the end of the year….using Singletary. 

[billsbackto81]

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

6’1 220 4.39 

this thread has taught me that nothing else matters. 

Did you watch our offense shred in the playoffs?  And we were wrecking single safety at the end of the year….using Singletary. 

Nice enough player but he sure doesn't look like a 4.39 runner. 

[Locomark]

Unless we luck into the Giants CB, drafting a RB in round 1 or 2 is silly. Hall will be gone before our Round 3 pick and we need CB,G,OT, WR as a priority. Hell we don’t even have a swing tackle these days that isn’t a late round pick. Thats dangerous. 

Edited March 25, 2022 by Locomark

[Buffalo_Stampede]

On 3/17/2022 at 12:55 AM, Big Turk said:

Just say no to RB man...it's not a value position.

 

WR or CB

I think what you mean is you can get value later in the draft. There’s always a middle- late round pick that produces.

 

I will say this though, if you hit on a low 1st-2nd round RB you do get great value. He’s got to be special though. 3 down RB that is a workhouse and playmaker.

[Big Turk]

22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I think what you mean is you can get value later in the draft. There’s always a middle- late round pick that produces.

 

I will say this though, if you hit on a low 1st-2nd round RB you do get great value. He’s got to be special though. 3 down RB that is a workhouse and playmaker.

 

Ask KC if they think CEH was worth the first round pick. Dude is mostly a JAG

4 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

He is the best underneath RB in the draft. Josh can check down teams to death with Breece. 

 

He could do that with Duke Johnson too, one of the best receiving backs in the NFL who averages 9.3 YPC for his career.

[BillsShredder83]

On 3/23/2022 at 11:33 AM, Magnum Force said:

Just like I felt Allen had a chance to be special pre draft when many pointed to his completion % as a red flag … I feel the same way about Breece Hall in this offense.  Yes we do need a CB… it’s a given.. yes we need OLine depth and a potential long term starter… WR is not a need but a luxury pick early for this year.  The likelihood Breece Hall will be there at pick 57 are slim… there is a better chance that one of Elam, Gordon, McCreary, Woolen, Bryant or Taylor-Britt will be.  

I csn certainly understand the argument for hall, even if its not what I'd do.

Nowwwwww if we do take him ill be excited, because I really trust this FO.

I strongly disagree on WR. With a pass first offense I feel like we need to take one in the 1st or 2nd atleast every other year. Become the WR factory the Steelers have been. Our wr s are gunna put up huge #s with Josh and be off to take large 2nd contracts elsewhere.

10 days ago I could've seen no scenario Diggs doesn't retire here. Now I'm doubtful past this season. Allen can use another weapon, and I'd like our insurance policy on the team before we cross the Diggs bridge. That way we aren't penciling in a rookie as our WR#2 next season. Anddddd if our offense has another year like that, Chad Hall will be a hot name for OC.

Man whole lotta first world problems there