Breece Hall Please!!

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I want to win a SB in the short term. Also, the NFL evolves on a weekly basis. Breece is a weapon 

I want to make this team multidimensional and dangerous. I don’t want to take away our fastball by feeding Breece more. I want to provide another outlet that makes teams afraid. It’s called strategic attacks. Having a player like Breece Hall makes Allen infinitely more dangerous. While yes, it’s true we still need to upgrade our Oline and grab another CB, but it’s imperative we keep our offense well oiled and dangerous. A RB like Hall will keep teams from playing 2 high all the time, otherwise we will just eat up clock and nimble off yards and teams will be slowly anaconda constricted. We need this extra piece. 

[Milanos Milano]

Ideally this is what I’d do. If Jameson is available at 25, I’d draft him. I’d then trade up to around 33 and select Hall. 
 

I’d tell Jameson to go deep and take the safety away. Let Diggs and Davis work the middle of the field and have Hall peel off to the flat. It’s nearly unstoppable considering you have OJ/Knox options off the line. I hope this is what we do. Nobody would stop us. NFL record PPG likely. 

[Milanos Milano]

Lol disagree? Bills likely put up 39 PPG in that scenario. 

[Solomon Grundy]

18 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

deally this is what I’d do. If Jameson is available at 25, I’d draft him. I’d then trade up to around 33 and select Hall

I’d take Hall, then come back and get Metchie/Pickens/Pierce at 57. CB and OL afterwards 

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I’d take Hall, then come back and get Metchie/Pickens/Pierce at 57. CB and OL afterwards 

Either way, I’m fine with it. Speed WR to go with Hall = record ppg. Then with the addition of Miller just makes this team nearly unstoppable. Please Beane get it done. 

[Milanos Milano]

If you constantly send a speed WR out deep. Not many teams have a CB fast enough to cover a 4.32 WR, which means safety help is almost always going to happen. That likely leaves Diggs and Davis in single coverage. Good luck with that. That still gives the Bills with Hall and Allen as dangerous scrambling threats. Yes Yes Yes. 

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, GolfandBills said:

They aren’t 7.6 million over the cap.  With the top 51 contracts they are right around even.  

 

@Hapless Bills Fan has kept a comprehensive post here on the board meticulously calculating the Top 51. It's on the first page. 7.6 million over for the Top 51 without Taiwan Jones calculated.

[BillsFanForever19]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

Meanwhile, we were 2.5M under the cap when FA started and made room to sign several good starters. We can make room for Bradberry if we think he’s worth it

 

Uh huh. We cut Cole Beasley, Daryl Williams, Jon Feliciano, AJ Klein, and Star Lotulelei. We re-structured Micah Hyde, Matt Milano, and Matt Haack. We extended Mitch Morse, lowering his cap figure. Save for a Diggs or an Edmunds extension, all of the obvious moves have been done already.

 

We're at 7.6 over. We'll need about 2.4 for Draft Picks. Bradberry would cost us another 6.5. So we'd have to roughly come up with another 16.5 million to do it. Really not as simple as you want it to be.

 

And that would include them not only paying half of his salary, but also eating 12 million in Dead Cap. I don't think they're going to do all of that for a late round pick. So we'd have to give up, probably a 3rd, for a 1 year rental. Bc Beane isn't going to pay Tre what we're paying him and back up the brinks truck on the CB2 with everyone we have coming up.

Edited March 26, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[OldTimer1960]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

This ^^^^ it’s also less likely that a RB is kept on a 2nd contract.  I think the Bills go IOL or CB 1st round.  RB in the 1st in today’s NFL is a gadget pick not a long term pick

Don’t rule out an OT, especially if he can also play G.

2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Ideally this is what I’d do. If Jameson is available at 25, I’d draft him. I’d then trade up to around 33 and select Hall. 
 

I’d tell Jameson to go deep and take the safety away. Let Diggs and Davis work the middle of the field and have Hall peel off to the flat. It’s nearly unstoppable considering you have OJ/Knox options off the line. I hope this is what we do. Nobody would stop us. NFL record PPG likely. 

What would you use to trade up 24 spots?  That’s going to cost a lot of draft capital.

[MrEpsYtown]

Good article here, puts the nail on the head imo. He’s right. Don’t do it. 

 

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Good article here, puts the nail on the head imo. He’s right. Don’t do it. 

 

 

 

What he fails to realize in this article is that Beane and Co don’t want his most important runner, Josh Allen, toting the rock anymore. Then he mentions that Mixon, JT28 were second round picks. Mixon went in second only because of off the field problems. As far as JT28, they thought he has too many miles on his legs. Teams overthought on JT28 and lost out on a talented runner. The writer is correct “Don’t do it”, don’t overthink this

[jkeerie]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Good article here, puts the nail on the head imo. He’s right. Don’t do it. 

 

 

 

So Daniel Jeremiah gives Breece Hall to the Bills in the first round in his mock and this somehow translates to the Bills automatically doing this?  If the Bills decide Hall is the pick next month then fine...but can we wait for it to be Beane's decision and not the draft pundits?

[Locomark]

13 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Really?? It was our starting CB2 that got scorched by Tyreek. I don’t remember any other teams killing us through the air. Colts and Patriots ran ball down our throats. I’m not saying for the offense to be run heavy, but it would be nice to have a RB that would put fear in a defense 

This game is about passing and stopping the pass. This isn’t 1985. 

[Motor26]

8 minutes ago, Locomark said:

This game is about passing and stopping the pass. This isn’t 1985. 

Yeah, there are running backs that will be there in the 3rd or 4th that would put fear in defenses as well, Zamir White, James Cook, Pierce Strong.

[Putin]

8 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I want to make this team multidimensional and dangerous. I don’t want to take away our fastball by feeding Breece more. I want to provide another outlet that makes teams afraid. It’s called strategic attacks. Having a player like Breece Hall makes Allen infinitely more dangerous. While yes, it’s true we still need to upgrade our Oline and grab another CB, but it’s imperative we keep our offense well oiled and dangerous. A RB like Hall will keep teams from playing 2 high all the time, otherwise we will just eat up clock and nimble off yards and teams will be slowly anaconda constricted. We need this extra piece. 

So what happens if he’s drafted by someone ahead of us  ? Do our odds of winning the the SB will drastically diminish ? 

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

@Hapless Bills Fan has kept a comprehensive post here on the board meticulously calculating the Top 51. It's on the first page. 7.6 million over for the Top 51 without Taiwan Jones calculated.

 

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Uh huh. We cut Cole Beasley, Daryl Williams, Jon Feliciano, AJ Klein, and Star Lotulelei. We re-structured Micah Hyde, Matt Milano, and Matt Haack. We extended Mitch Morse, lowering his cap figure. Save for a Diggs or an Edmunds extension, all of the obvious moves have been done already.

 

We're at 7.6 over. We'll need about 2.4 for Draft Picks. Bradberry would cost us another 6.5. So we'd have to roughly come up with another 16.5 million to do it. Really not as simple as you want it to be.

 

And that would include them not only paying half of his salary, but also eating 12 million in Dead Cap. I don't think they're going to do all of that for a late round pick. So we'd have to give up, probably a 3rd, for a 1 year rental. Bc Beane isn't going to pay Tre what we're paying him and back up the brinks truck on the CB2 with everyone we have coming up.

 

They are not 7.6 million over.  Within the thread there is the actual NFL listed Cap space which has the Bills at 2.89 million in space.

 

The NFL does not allow teams to be over the cap.  If a team is actually over as they make a signing - the team would have to make adjustments to get under the Cap before the previous signing is approved.  
 

If the Bills were over - none of the previous signing including Jones would make it through the NFL office and get approved.

 

Beane knows exactly what he has and exactly how each new signing will impact the CAP space.  
 

It will take time for things like Spotrac to catch up and until the NFL office reviews and decides how some of the Bonuses are coded - they are typically off by a bit.  In this case it appears they were off by about 10 million.  
 

Whether that is where some Bonuses hit or was there additional restructuring done that hasn’t come out I don’t know, but the one thing I am sure of is that by NFL CAP numbers - we are not over the CAP.

 

 

Edited March 27, 2022 by Rochesterfan

[Milanos Milano]

57 minutes ago, Putin said:

So what happens if he’s drafted by someone ahead of us  ? Do our odds of winning the the SB will drastically diminish ? 

No, I think we have a good shot at winning a super bowl without him, but having him will make it an easier road. I would rather have him then not. 

[78thealltimegreat]

10 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I want to make this team multidimensional and dangerous. I don’t want to take away our fastball by feeding Breece more. I want to provide another outlet that makes teams afraid. It’s called strategic attacks. Having a player like Breece Hall makes Allen infinitely more dangerous. While yes, it’s true we still need to upgrade our Oline and grab another CB, but it’s imperative we keep our offense well oiled and dangerous. A RB like Hall will keep teams from playing 2 high all the time, otherwise we will just eat up clock and nimble off yards and teams will be slowly anaconda constricted. We need this extra piece. 

What I’ve been saying Devin has earned the right to be the number 1 back. But the Bills don’t have a true home run hitter in the backfield Breece definitely changes that. 

[Tanoros]

11 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I want to make this team multidimensional and dangerous. I don’t want to take away our fastball by feeding Breece more. I want to provide another outlet that makes teams afraid. It’s called strategic attacks. Having a player like Breece Hall makes Allen infinitely more dangerous. While yes, it’s true we still need to upgrade our Oline and grab another CB, but it’s imperative we keep our offense well oiled and dangerous. A RB like Hall will keep teams from playing 2 high all the time, otherwise we will just eat up clock and nimble off yards and teams will be slowly anaconda constricted. We need this extra piece. 

I’m warming up to Hall in the first for the reasons you said. It makes sense with the idea of making a super bowl push this year. It’s not common to see 6’+ rbs with 4.3 speed anymore, and Hall is a good wr weapon too. 
 

If Hall is anything close to a Taylor or Henry (who isn’t much of a wr) at rb, our offense would be nearly unstoppable, I’m sure we’d see another no punt game or two. 

10 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I’d take Hall, then come back and get Metchie/Pickens/Pierce at 57. CB and OL afterwards 

I really like Pickens and hope that somehow/someway we land him. 

[NewEra]

11 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Ideally this is what I’d do. If Jameson is available at 25, I’d draft him. I’d then trade up to around 33 and select Hall. 
 

I’d tell Jameson to go deep and take the safety away. Let Diggs and Davis work the middle of the field and have Hall peel off to the flat. It’s nearly unstoppable considering you have OJ/Knox options off the line. I hope this is what we do. Nobody would stop us. NFL record PPG likely. 

Shiny toy guy. No mention of right guard.  Not surprised.  We won’t be unstoppable with Ford and Brown on the right side.  

[Magnum Force]

Hall or Walker would make our passing game and WRs better, our offense harder to defense, give us a home run threat out of the backfield and make Josh’s runs more effective.   A good cost contolled RB fits our window of win now and the next few years.  Yes CB and  Oline need to be addressed also…but beyond Hall or Walker…I would rather not use a pick on an RB…maybe a late round pick on Borgi or that type of player.  I would like to potentially pickup UFA Guard Trai Turner and one of Patrick Peterson, Joe Hayden or Xavier Rhodes on the budget end if possible before the draft.  I am good whichever direction Beane goes in the draft.  We are all Bills’ fans and want what’s best for the team.

[Milanos Milano]

15 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Shiny toy guy. No mention of right guard.  Not surprised.  We won’t be unstoppable with Ford and Brown on the right side.  

I agree we need a RG, but we can use a 3rd or 4th on one. 

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, Magnum Force said:

Hall or Walker would make our passing game and WRs better, our offense harder to defense, give us a home run threat out of the backfield and make Josh’s runs more effective.   A good cost contolled RB fits our window of win now and the next few years.  Yes CB and  Oline need to be addressed also…but beyond Hall or Walker…I would rather not use a pick on an RB…maybe a late round pick on Borgi or that type of player.  I would like to potentially pickup UFA Guard Trai Turner and one of Patrick Peterson, Joe Hayden or Xavier Rhodes on the budget end if possible before the draft.  I am good whichever direction Beane goes in the draft.  We are all Bills’ fans and want what’s best for the team.

The only thing that you, @Solomon Grundyand @IronMaidenBills ever say:  a Rb would make us better.  Yes.  Upgrading any position will make us better.  So some proof of how having an elite RB will help us win a SB.  But we know that proof doesn’t exist…. So the ammunition used is “make us better”.  It’s so weak

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I agree we need a RG, but we can use a 3rd or 4th on one. 

Yeah…like 2nd rd pick Cody ford…..worked out great.

 

lets put a 3rd or 4th rd pick next to Spencer brown.  That’s reckless.  

Edited March 27, 2022 by NewEra

[Magnum Force]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The only thing that you, @Solomon Grundyand @IronMaidenBills ever say:  a Rb would make us better.  Yes.  Upgrading any position will make us better.  So some proof of how having an elite RB will help us win a SB.  But we know that proof doesn’t exist…. So the ammunition used is “make us better”.  It’s so weak

And you thought OJ Simpsom ran a 4.7 40 because Google said so lol

[NewEra]

Just now, Magnum Force said:

And you thought OJ Simpsom ran a 4.7 40 because Google said so lol

I asked you for RB 40 times….and you list 4 rbs that never ran a 40 except at a college practice.  RBs that played 40-60 years ago…..as if they were playing the same game as they are today…..as if you actually proved a point…..other than answering a question.  
 

“we’d be better” great argument 👏🏻 

[Magnum Force]

At least tell the truth.  You said All Time greats and now you are pretending the question I asked is the one you asked..but I am sure you will have some lame excuse.

Edited March 27, 2022 by Magnum Force

[OldTimer1960]

4 hours ago, Magnum Force said:

At least tell the truth.  You said All Time greats and now you are pretending the question I asked is the one you asked..but I am sure you will have some lame excuse.

I don’t see Singletary as being very limited because of his speed.  He is fine as long as he isn’t being hit in the backfield or having to elude defenders jut to get to the line of scrimmage.  A faster RB behind a weak OL will still have nowhere to run. RB and other positions are not just about straight line speed.  Vision, quickness, decisiveness and a bit of power all play into it.  
 

Nobody is saying that Hall might not be an upgrade over Singletary.  Only that the position in today’s game is less important than it used to be.  Beyond Derrick Henry and Jonathan Taylor, what RB in the league is really dominant?

[Billsatlastin2018]

Only clown orgs draft RBs in the First Round!

 

oh wait… 🙄

[Solomon Grundy]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

The only thing that you, @Solomon Grundyand @IronMaidenBills ever say:  a Rb would make us better.  Yes.  Upgrading any position will make us better.  So some proof of how having an elite RB will help us win a SB.  But we know that proof doesn’t exist…. So the ammunition used is “make us better”.  It’s so weak

Yeah…like 2nd rd pick Cody ford…..worked out great.

 

lets put a 3rd or 4th rd pick next to Spencer brown.  That’s reckless.  

The Chiefs did it. Trey Smith. How reckless for the smartest HC in the division to do

[PauleeeWalnuts]

1st round RBs very rarely are the difference makers to putting a team over the top. Recent history shows us that it never made the Bills that much better (Willis, Marshawn, CJ) especially when they have other areas of need. The Bills need 2 CBs, interior line help and another WR. Round 1 RB would be foolish IMO 

[MrEpsYtown]

15 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

What he fails to realize in this article is that Beane and Co don’t want his most important runner, Josh Allen, toting the rock anymore. Then he mentions that Mixon, JT28 were second round picks. Mixon went in second only because of off the field problems. As far as JT28, they thought he has too many miles on his legs. Teams overthought on JT28 and lost out on a talented runner. The writer is correct “Don’t do it”, don’t overthink this

I guess my thing is that JT28, and Mixon were non factors in the Super Bowl. The reason why we could not get to the super bowl was that Levi Wallace was too slow to keep up and we could not get anywhere near the QB. A running back isn’t putting this team over the top. A star corner and pass rush (Miller) does. 

[Magnum Force]

6 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I don’t see Singletary as being very limited because of his speed.  He is fine as long as he isn’t being hit in the backfield or having to elude defenders jut to get to the line of scrimmage.  A faster RB behind a weak OL will still have nowhere to run. RB and other positions are not just about straight line speed.  Vision, quickness, decisiveness and a bit of power all play into it.  
 

Nobody is saying that Hall might not be an upgrade over Singletary.  Only that the position in today’s game is less important than it used to be.  Beyond Derrick Henry and Jonathan Taylor, what RB in the league is really dominant?

I am a good with people that have different opinions and still like the debate.  I just don’t respect liars. 

[NewEra]

11 hours ago, Magnum Force said:

At least tell the truth.  You said All Time greats and now you are pretending the question I asked is the one you asked..but I am sure you will have some lame excuse.

Yes…..I asked a question….thinking that you would give and answer that might be relevant to the conversation at hand.  Not discuss running backs from 40-60 years ago…..

 

I said all time, but figured the answers would come in context of the conversation. In the history of the combine and 40 yards dashes.  40’s weren’t a thing when those guys played.  None of them ran official 40’s.    I should have been more specific.  MY BAD.
i thought you were making an argument for why drafting a sub 4.4 rb would benefit in 2022, not the 60’s 70s and 80s.  
 

Sorry for not seeing how they are relevant in the conversation.  I’m sure you understand my point.  
 

yes, you probably (we don’t know all of their 40 times) answered my question correctly.  Yet you failed to prove your point in relation to the question.  If you don’t understand my point, that’s on you.  Be all butthurt if need be

[NewEra]

5 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

The Chiefs did it. Trey Smith. How reckless for the smartest HC in the division to do

It was reckless and they paid the price and their season ended partly because of it.  Did you see the bengals Pass rush dominate the 4th quarter vs Chiefs?  Did you see Sam Hubbard wreck the right side of the chiefs OL?  
 

They spilt the season between Niang and Wylie @ RT.  Neither played well.  Both were liabilities in pass protection all year.  

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Levi Wallace was too slow to keep up and we could not get anywhere near the QB

So was Poyer. Do we need a new safety. So was Milano. Do we need a new LB? 

[MrEpsYtown]

11 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

So was Poyer. Do we need a new safety. So was Milano. Do we need a new LB? 

If we don’t make the super bowl this year, I think you have to consider blowing it up a bit yeah. They should start looking at safety upgrades in the next 2-4 years. They should be looking at backers in this draft imo.  
 

Wallace was by far the weakest link. 

Edited March 27, 2022 by MrEpsYtown

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Wallace was by far the weakest link

Totally agree!! All season. Pittsburgh game done it for me

[Norcalbillsfan]

7 hours ago, PaulieYayo said:

1st round RBs very rarely are the difference makers to putting a team over the top. Recent history shows us that it never made the Bills that much better (Willis, Marshawn, CJ) especially when they have other areas of need. The Bills need 2 CBs, interior line help and another WR. Round 1 RB would be foolish IMO 

In every case I agree with you, I never want an RB round 1 and our need at CB is dire. But I won't hate RB like Hall in the first because of one thing, I genuinely think with the way the nfl is shifting, more passing and 2 high safety an explosive RB that can catch a dumpoff and house it, instantly improves josh allen. And I'm ALL for giving Allen weapons.

Joe bascalia (can't remember how to spell his name) kinda opened my eyes to it a bit more. Though I wasn't crazy about his mock draft he makes a great point about the 2 high safety defenses and how an explosive back would help josh alot. And that explosive weapon locked up 5 years with josh on dirt cheap rookie deal doesn't sound terrible.

But if the bills went for a slow power back in the 1st that brings nothing in the passing game I would be livid. I'm still all about cb or ol in the first but a home run hitter like hall for josh wouldn't ruin my day.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

Joe bascalia (can't remember how to spell his name) kinda opened my eyes to it a bit more. Though I wasn't crazy about his mock draft he makes a great point about the 2 high safety defenses and how an explosive back would help josh alot.

I think Joe read my post some 15 pages ago 😎

[NewEra]

the RB talk starts @ the 5 minute mark. 
 

Marino says that Hall has below average contact balance and vision.  In his opinion, the two most important attributes for a RB.