BillsShredder83 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I really want Cox. That's what she said 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 You have to wonder why they're willing to take a $40M cap hit to get rid of him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I really really hope the front office recognizes the window we have open right now, and they pull the trigger on landing two/three difference makers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: My Lord, if he goes to the Broncos and Von Miller returns... They aren't getting both. They already have Bradley Chubb on the roster. So you're not paying a Von Miller or a Chandler Jones what it would cost to be a rotational piece. And they're going to have to pay Chubb by next offseason as he's on his 5th year option this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: That's what she said Everyone wants Cox. Fills our needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 25 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: They aren't getting both. They already have Bradley Chubb on the roster. So you're not paying a Von Miller or a Chandler Jones what it would cost to be a rotational piece. And they're going to have to pay Chubb by next offseason as he's on his 5th year option this season. One more injury-plagued season and I don't think Chubb gets another contract from Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I see him looking at another Frank Gore, TJ Yeldon, Matt Breida like inexpensive veteran or a mid round pick. And that will be that for RB. How did that work out? I don’t want a RB that is inactive every week. I want a playmaking RB that can pass protect, score from anywhere, and must be accounted for every play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) As much as I like the idea of Hunter and Gronk, I'd be perfectly happy if we somehow got Jones and Engram. Jones is solid as a rock as a pass rusher (his availability compared to Hunter along with not giving up draft choices is key) and I think the Bills can get him for 30m over 2 years. Engram (I think 14m over 2 years would get him) could play the slot role that Beasely did -maybe not quite as prolific, but with more speed and physicality. I also didn't realize that Engram played with Knox in college so there's a level of familiarity there. Edited March 13, 2022 by Lothar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pete said: How did that work out? I don’t want a RB that is inactive every week. I want a playmaking RB that can pass protect, score from anywhere, and must be accounted for every play The end of the season and the playoffs said that person is Devin Singletary. They've always had an undying faith and loyalty to him and in keeping him on the field as much as possible instead of utilizing him in a two man system, he rewarded that faith during that time. I expect much of the same this coming season. Singletary will be the primary ball carrier. I don't see them bringing in a guy that's going to keep him on the bench or split carries with coming off him looking the best he ever has. Just a guy that will spell him when he needs a breather. And like I said, all that aside, it flies in the face of Beane's modus operandi in the first place. He doesn't spend high picks or spend big money on that position. Especially not when I think they're just looking for someone to be Singletary's spell guy. And in the case of Barkley and McCaffrey, you're asking him to do BOTH at the same time. I just can't see it. Especially this year when we have a lot of holes to fill, cap space is tight, and we're picking at the end of each round. And especially not after Devin looked as good as ever. At most, and I'd even be surprised if they did this, they'd sign one of the top RB's in FA like Leonard Fournette, James Conner, Chase Edmonds, or Melvin Gordon. Or they'd spend a 2nd on a Breece Hall or Kenneth Walker. Not give up a big pick AND spend big cap space, especially on guys who have serious wear and tear on their tires. It's just not happening. Edited March 13, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) On 3/11/2022 at 9:18 PM, ndirish1978 said: No, and any buddy who lies to you is not a buddy. You don't release a 1st team all-pro on a reasonable contract. Hyde was 2nd team. Poyer was the 1st teamer. 5 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: One more injury-plagued season and I don't think Chubb gets another contract from Denver. In which case the Bills should move heaven and earth to sign him next spring. Edited March 13, 2022 by GunnerBill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The end of the season and the playoffs said that person is Devin Singletary. They've always had an undying faith and loyalty to him and in keeping him on the field as much as possible instead of utilizing him in a two man system, he rewarded that faith during that time. I expect much of the same this coming season. Singletary will be the primary ball carrier. I don't see them bringing in a guy that's going to keep him on the bench or split carries with coming off him looking the best he ever has. Just a guy that will spell him when he needs a breather. And like I said, all that aside, it flies in the face of Beane's modus operandi in the first place. He doesn't spend high picks or spend big money on that position. Especially not when I think they're just looking for someone to be Singletary's spell guy. And in the case of Barkley and McCaffrey, you're asking him to do BOTH at the same time. I just can't see it. Especially this year when we have a lot of holes to fill, cap space is tight, and we're picking at the end of each round. And especially not after Devin looked as good as ever. At most, and I'd even be surprised if they did this, they'd sign one of the top RB's in FA like Leonard Fournette, James Conner, Chase Edmonds, or Melvin Gordon. Or they'd spend a 2nd on a Breece Hall or Kenneth Walker. Not give up a big pick AND spend big cap space, especially on guys who have serious wear and tear on their tires. It's just not happening. I love Motor! Singletary is my next jersey. But I don’t want Motor carrying 30 times a game. The Bills are lacking a Kamera type 3rd down back. And they need speed! Devin is awesome, but he is neither of those. Adding a RB that keeps Motor and Josh fresh, and adds a new dimension other teams need to game plan on. I understand what you are saying about Beanes track record. But the goal is to win Super Bowl this year. Beane will improve team as he sees fit. Abd if Saquon, McCaffery, Breece, or whomever improves our team, and the price is right, he makes that deal imo Edited March 13, 2022 by Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 9 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: One more injury-plagued season and I don't think Chubb gets another contract from Denver. Chubb for Edmunds made a ton of sense in my mind, trading 5th year options for eachother. Be dope if we could get Cox and Chubb.🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 7 hours ago, Pete said: How did that work out? I don’t want a RB that is inactive every week. I want a playmaking RB that can pass protect, score from anywhere, and must be accounted for every play IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOU WANT PETE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, NewEra said: IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOU WANT PETE. Why are you yelling? Lol. and it’s a message board. I can have an opinion, just like you Man there some grumpy people here this morning lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 10 hours ago, Doc said: You have to wonder why they're willing to take a $40M cap hit to get rid of him? Might it be this story in which Cox was sued for sleeping with someone else’s wife? Maybe they’re scared he’ll go after theirs next? https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2745706-fletcher-cox-sued-for-allegedly-having-sex-with-mans-wife-ruining-marriage.amp.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Pete said: Why are you yelling? Lol. and it’s a message board. I can have an opinion, just like you Man there some grumpy people here this morning lol It’s a humorous phrase used by The Rock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, MattM said: Might it be this story in which Cox was sued for sleeping with someone else’s wife? Maybe they’re scared he’ll go after theirs next? https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2745706-fletcher-cox-sued-for-allegedly-having-sex-with-mans-wife-ruining-marriage.amp.html LOL! I remember that story! "I want to put a baby in you." The chick was pretty hot, from what I recall. But that was almost 5 years ago. It can't be that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 10 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: One more injury-plagued season and I don't think Chubb gets another contract from Denver. They took Chubb over Josh Allen 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 11 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: I can't remember if we love or hate Star atm, but this would surely be an upgrade, yes? Maybe Beane can do some magical accounting and make this work 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Pete said: I love Motor! Singletary is my next jersey. But I don’t want Motor carrying 30 times a game. The Bills are lacking a Kamera type 3rd down back. And they need speed! Devin is awesome, but he is neither of those. Adding a RB that keeps Motor and Josh fresh, and adds a new dimension other teams need to game plan on. I understand what you are saying about Beanes track record. But the goal is to win Super Bowl this year. Beane will improve team as he sees fit. Abd if Saquon, McCaffery, Breece, or whomever improves our team, and the price is right, he makes that deal imo Can’t speak to the rookie but Barkley and McCaffrey aren’t improving anything because each will be injured again. At this point at least CMC should be a low contract prove it kind of player but that isn’t happening. Dude gets injured every 3rd play. The Giants with new management would need a huge haul for Barkley just for optics because if he ever stayed healthy and had a good year after being traded for a 5th or something, the NY press would have their heads on pikes. His real value is like Matt Barkley but the Giants need a Charles Barkley in his prime price. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 13 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said: Anyone know or see how the bills will create or save cap space in the coming weeks? Sounds like they need roughly $25M with all the “rumors”…. Joe Marino of LockedOn Bills did a great job on his Friday podcast of walking through how to get $38 mil in cap space. Another poster actually started a thread detailing the info. Nothing Joe did seemed outlandish or like it would put the Bills in cap hell anytime soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, babulator said: I can't remember if we love or hate Star atm, but this would surely be an upgrade, yes? Maybe Beane can do some magical accounting and make this work We can easily fit Fletcher Cox contract. The team that hypothetically trades for him isn’t on the hook for much this year and next. It’s the Eagles getting crushed with dead cap, which is why the issue here is they - most assuredly - want heavy compensation. They desperately need a talented young LB. Seems if there was ever a trade partner for Edmunds, this might be the move in a player for player swap, but I’d be shocked if we trade him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, SCBills said: We can easily fit Fletcher Cox contract. The team that hypothetically trades for him isn’t on the hook for much this year and next. It’s the Eagles getting crushed with dead cap, which is why the issue here is they - most assuredly - want heavy compensation. They desperately need a talented young LB. Seems if there was ever a trade partner for Edmunds, this might be the move in a player for player swap, but I’d be shocked if we trade him. Imagine a team trading one of their franchises best players ever while taking on 40M in dead cap so they can acquire a pretty good off ball LB. Idk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Imagine a team trading one of their franchises best players ever while taking on 40M in dead cap so they can acquire a pretty good off ball LB. Idk Again, I highly doubt we’re trading him, but this is a situation that makes sense.. depending on how they feel about Edmunds. We get an elite DT on the back end of his career, while a team on the rebuild gets a young high potential linebacker. Despite what we think about him, there are coaches that love him. Saleh, for instance, gushes praise for Edmunds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Hyde was 2nd team. Poyer was the 1st teamer. In which case the Bills should move heaven and earth to sign him next spring. Yeah I saw that.a few minutes after I posted but people had already reacted to it and it felt dishonest to change it after, you're correct of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, SCBills said: Again, I highly doubt we’re trading him, but this is a situation that makes sense.. depending on how they feel about Edmunds. We get an elite DT on the back end of his career, while a team on the rebuild gets a young high potential linebacker. Despite what we think about him, there are coaches that love him. Saleh, for instance, gushes praise for Edmunds. Yeah, it’s a great trade for Buffalo. But 40M in dead cap….to acquire an off ball LB in the last year of his deal when they could just sign a FA. Idk, doesn’t make much sense for Philly unless they think Edmunds is the second coming or Urlacher. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 56 minutes ago, babulator said: I can't remember if we love or hate Star atm, but this would surely be an upgrade, yes? Maybe Beane can do some magical accounting and make this work No need for magical accounting - cox’s cap hit would be <$5m to acquiring team. One of the reasons the price to acquire will be a ton 29 minutes ago, NewEra said: Imagine a team trading one of their franchises best players ever while taking on 40M in dead cap so they can acquire a pretty good off ball LB. Idk For whatever reason, Edmunds is viewed a lot better around the league than he is on this board. Scouts/gms vs Monday morning qbs - I’ll side with the former 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: No need for magical accounting - cox’s cap hit would be <$5m to acquiring team. One of the reasons the price to acquire will be a ton For whatever reason, Edmunds is viewed a lot better around the league than he is on this board. Scouts/gms vs Monday morning qbs - I’ll side with the former i don’t know how edmunds is viewed by scouts and GMs. Not sure how anyone here really would. Sure, scouts/HCs/GMs have made nice comments about Edmunds….. but have you ever heard an scout/HC/GM say something bad about an opposing player? There’s no benefit in saying something like that. It would just be locker room material to get the opposition pumped. we’ll just wait and see if Cox gets traded for edmunds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, NewEra said: i don’t know how edmunds is viewed by scouts and GMs. Not sure how anyone here really would. Sure, scouts/HCs/GMs have made nice comments about Edmunds….. but have you ever heard an scout/HC/GM say something bad about an opposing player? There’s no benefit in saying something like that. It would just be locker room material to get the opposition pumped. we’ll just wait and see if Cox gets traded for edmunds. Point well taken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SCBills said: We can easily fit Fletcher Cox contract. The team that hypothetically trades for him isn’t on the hook for much this year and next. It’s the Eagles getting crushed with dead cap, which is why the issue here is they - most assuredly - want heavy compensation. They desperately need a talented young LB. Seems if there was ever a trade partner for Edmunds, this might be the move in a player for player swap, but I’d be shocked if we trade him. Edmunds is also a pretty good scheme fit there. They run a very similar defense to us. I expect they to draft Lloyd in April if he gets to them, so that type of freakish, long, MLB is definitely a need for them. EDIT: Not that I think this trade would happen.... but just in terms of playing along. Edited March 13, 2022 by GunnerBill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 53 minutes ago, NewEra said: Imagine a team trading one of their franchises best players ever while taking on 40M in dead cap so they can acquire a pretty good off ball LB. Idk $40M dead cap plus taking on $13M Tremaine Edmunds. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 27 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: No need for magical accounting - cox’s cap hit would be <$5m to acquiring team. One of the reasons the price to acquire will be a ton For whatever reason, Edmunds is viewed a lot better around the league than he is on this board. Scouts/gms vs Monday morning qbs - I’ll side with the former Cover 1 explains Edmunds best. Simply put, he's one if the best pass protection MLBs in the game. It's not just what he does, but how much coaches change their offensive gameplan to account for him. He makes playing defense easier on the rest of the team. Fans have difficulty focusing on what is NOT happening because of Edmunds and can only see what IS happening. In which case it can be inconsistent. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: No need for magical accounting - cox’s cap hit would be <$5m to acquiring team. One of the reasons the price to acquire will be a ton For whatever reason, Edmunds is viewed a lot better around the league than he is on this board. Scouts/gms vs Monday morning qbs - I’ll side with the former All GMs/scouts say that ****. Unless the player is a total dirtbag they gotta appear civil cause they move around a lot too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Cover 1 explains Edmunds best. Simply put, he's one if the best pass protection MLBs in the game. It's not just what he does, but how much coaches change their offensive gameplan to account for him. He makes playing defense easier on the rest of the team. Fans have difficulty focusing on what is NOT happening because of Edmunds and can only see what IS happening. In which case it can be inconsistent. I do think we’re too hard on Edmunds. He’s a very unique and intriguing player. There’s certainly a reason coaches, ours and others, gush over him, while fans like me get frustrated. That being said… I don’t care what our defense does to Davis Mills in the regular season. I care what they do to top teams and in the Playoffs. Indy ‘21, they were trash KC ‘21, they were trash KC ‘22, they were trash We need more playmakers. Fletcher Cox, Chandler Jones, Danielle Hunter types. All I see on the defense are a bunch of above average players on above average contracts who give us an above average defense that doesn’t stand up in big moments. We need impact players. Hard to do that when we keep paying rotational pieces, depth, above average guys and guys who “are really good, trust me, you just can’t see it..”. Edited March 13, 2022 by SCBills 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: I do think we’re too hard on Edmunds. He’s a very unique and intriguing player. There’s certainly a reason coaches, our and others, gush over him, while fans like me get frustrated. That being said… I don’t care what our defense does to Davis Mills in the regular season. I care what they do to top teams and in the Playoffs. Indy ‘21, they were trash KC ‘21, they were trash KC ‘22, they were trash We need more playmakers. Fletcher Cox, Chandler Jones, Danielle Hunter types. All I see on the defense are a bunch of above average players on above average contracts who give us an above average defense that doesn’t stand up in big moments. We need impact players. Hard to do that when we keep paying rotational pieces, depth, above average guys and guys who “are really good, trust me, you just can’t see it..”. Remember in Forrest Gump when that dude said "you said it all man"? Well, that just happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: I do think we’re too hard on Edmunds. I think the fact that he wasn't extended after his 3rd season indicates the Bills aren't actually satisfied with his play. They might be in enough of a cap bind where they'd extend him at the right price to save some cap room now.....but if they were as happy with his play as some seem to think he'd be on a 5 year $90M deal right now. Beane's "I know the fans are down on Tremaine.......but I'm not in that camp" comment was the lowest of praise and quite comical. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Talk about it 😀 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 2 hours ago, ganesh said: They took Chubb over Josh Allen and if he hadn't been there they would of traded the pick used to get Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 45 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Cover 1 explains Edmunds best. Simply put, he's one if the best pass protection MLBs in the game. It's not just what he does, but how much coaches change their offensive gameplan to account for him. He makes playing defense easier on the rest of the team. Fans have difficulty focusing on what is NOT happening because of Edmunds and can only see what IS happening. In which case it can be inconsistent. I run hot and cold for Tremaine. I love the athleticism, youth, length etc. I hate his run fits. But to your point, teams have to do some really clever stuff over the middle of the field to attack him. And while it seems like he is getting toasted on some of those plays, there are other linebackers who would be nowhere near the play. Like at all. So in our minds its like “look Tremaine, you are right there, 1 step behind, what the hell are you doing?” At the same time, some other linebackers in the league aren’t even in the frame so it does not seem like it is “their fault.” He is always around the play, and around plays that other guys wouldn’t be near, and that is why he always look like he is half a step late on things. Thats my opinion. I don’t know how the front office really feels about him but I trust them. They won’t re-sign him if they really feel there are flaws in his game. Now I absolutely love Brandon Smith from Penn State. Very similar measurables to Maine. He is shorter, so a bit thicker, but actually has a longer wingspan and is a freak as well, with better instincts playing downhill. If we are looking for a replacement, he should be the guy. Nothing wring with taking another swing at this type of player. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) https://nfltraderumors.co/afc-rumors-bills-jets-patriots/ uhoh. not much to see here, but I’d give up a 6th for Barkley and a 3rd to take the salary cap off their hands Edited March 13, 2022 by NewEra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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