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Just now, davefan66 said:


Better than Wentz for sure.  Colts could have been a serious challenger in post season if they had a good QB.

 

Think Jimmy G would make them a playoff contender.  He just needs to get rid of the yips.  Stupid plays at the wrong time.  Trubinsky may be a better choice for them?  Prefe hi, to stay here as our QB2.

 

Think Trubisky and Minchew and Bridgewater make more sense because they are FAs. They won't cost anything. They already only have 5 picks in this draft, no 1st and no 6th... Garoppolo costs what, a 2nd? Maybe you get him for a 3rd? Depends who else is on the move I suppose. 

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38 minutes ago, 947 said:

I just pray they don't end up with Rodgers. I'm not sure if that's even a possibility with their cap situation, but a scary thought.

 

If/when Trubisky leaves, I think Wentz could be a decent option as Josh's backup. I'd much rather have him than Dalton or Tyrod...

 

Wentz, Dalton and Tyrod are all terrible backup prospects for the Bills IMO.  Find a guy in his late 20's that has a chance to 

stick around for a few years.  Don't draft guys in the 5th or 6th either.  They are a waste of a pick.

 

I'm sticking with someone like Jacoby Brissett as a possibility.

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48 minutes ago, 947 said:

I just pray they don't end up with Rodgers. I'm not sure if that's even a possibility with their cap situation, but a scary thought.

 

If/when Trubisky leaves, I think Wentz could be a decent option as Josh's backup. I'd much rather have him than Dalton or Tyrod...

Fitzy?

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27 minutes ago, Process said:

Has to be one of the worst trades ever

 

Trade a first round pick for a QB with an absurd contract, miss the playoffs, cut him after 1 year. 

 

What were they thinking?

 

Nobody deserves some bad karma more than the embarrassing, carpetbagging Irsay family. They yanked an iconic franchise from the diehard fans of Baltimore and slid painlessly from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck. They deserve to wander aimlessly in the wilderness for the next quarter century. Landing Carson Wentz and surrendering a first round pick in the process is a nice start.

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I have a lot of family in the Philly area. Their were many stories  in the paper about how Wentz was despised by some of his Eagles teammates in Philly. Had a real "I'm a star" attitude once he got his big contract. He had a notorious incident in a Philly Steak House (Del Frescos) where he had some buds holed up in a side room with a velvet rope blocking the entrance. A 14 year old girl hoped the rope and went in and asked for his autograph. Wentz was incensed, told his entourage it was time to leave as he berated one of the managers for letting the girl through. Story was actually covered by a Philly paper at the time. Wentz denied that was the case, but many of those their confirmed. The Eagles owner knew he had a problem on his hands. Sounds like he's still a dick. He's the 100% opposite of Josh.            

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41 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah Wentz had that one good year, and flashes elsewhere. Comparing him to Stafford is comparing Tannehill to Josh.

 

On-topic, is Gardner Minshew a fit?  Certainly limited physically, but can manage a game, isn't prone to blunders that end your season.  Obviously, not an ideal QB, may not be their SB QB, but with that nucleus of a team, Minshew may get them to 11 wins.

Seriously bro?  Did you watch Minshew for the Eagles on the last Sat nite of the season against the Cowboys who scare noone on defense?  He was marginal at best.  Uncle Rico was a nice story his first couple games w the Jags.  But the guy is severely limited.  I don't think the Colts are much better then the Texans if Minshew was their starter.  Phillip Rivers was better then Wentz.  But he had enuf after last season.  

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54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The two are not comparable talent wise though. Stafford has always been good. Wentz since his ACL has been bad but for a 6 game run at the end of 2019. 

Yeah, I know it's easy to say that, but are you telling me you've been right about about every QB who's about change teams?   Frankly, I'm still not sold on Stafford.  

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2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

He probably is busy planning his big reenactment for the 160 year anniversary of the Battle of Antietam.

He's made his $100M+, why bother.

You're pry right but it would be a fun story line.  They finally have an o-line that won't get him killed and a running game.

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25 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

It is pretty shocking the Colts would trade a first round pick for a struggling QB who was benched on his previous team. Regardless of Reich’s relationship with him, why not sign Trubisky to a one year prove it deal and keep your first rounder? Trubisky said he came to Buffalo due to a lack of opportunity as a starter elsewhere. That was a shockingly bad move by Colts GM. Almost as shocking as the Bills getting pwned in that game.

That’s not true, there were other options but he chose Buffalo because of seeing Allen’s development. Mitch saw Buffalo as a way to restart his career.

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18 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Nobody deserves some bad karma more than the embarrassing, carpetbagging Irsay family. They yanked an iconic franchise from the diehard fans of Baltimore and slid painlessly from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck. They deserve to wander aimlessly in the wilderness for the next quarter century. Landing Carson Wentz and surrendering a first round pick in the process is a nice start.

I'm generally not one to bash people, but it's not give this post a thumbs up. 

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16 minutes ago, Ross Murdock said:

I have a lot of family in the Philly area. Their were many stories  in the paper about how Wentz was despised by some of his Eagles teammates in Philly. Had a real "I'm a star" attitude once he got his big contract. He had a notorious incident in a Philly Steak House (Del Frescos) where he had some buds holed up in a side room with a velvet rope blocking the entrance. A 14 year old girl hoped the rope and went in and asked for his autograph. Wentz was incensed, told his entourage it was time to leave as he berated one of the managers for letting the girl through. Story was actually covered by a Philly paper at the time. Wentz denied that was the case, but many of those their confirmed. The Eagles owner knew he had a problem on his hands. Sounds like he's still a dick. He's the 100% opposite of Josh.            

I think if Pederson could do it over again, he probably would’ve gotten rid of Wentz and kept Foles. To be honest Foles was a much better QB in that system than Wentz

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24 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Wentz, Dalton and Tyrod are all terrible backup prospects for the Bills IMO.  Find a guy in his late 20's that has a chance to 

stick around for a few years.  Don't draft guys in the 5th or 6th either.  They are a waste of a pick.

 

I'm sticking with someone like Jacoby Brissett as a possibility.

Jacoby Brissett?? Be very very careful of what you wish for lol. I guess you didn’t watch him play this year in Miami. He’s abysmal. I’d take Dalton and Wentz over Jacoby as a back up any day of the week

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5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Yeah, I know it's easy to say that, but are you telling me you've been right about about every QB who's about change teams?   Frankly, I'm still not sold on Stafford.  

 

No but I am telling you it wasn't hard to be right about Wentz. He clearly stinks. 

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18 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

To answer the OP, I don’t think this means Reich is on the hot seat. He will be on the hot seat if Wentz is his QB another season though. 

See the reason I believe he might be on the hot seat is because he vouched for Wentz. He’s really the only reason he got traded to Indy. Especially after all the negative press that was on him. They took on that hefty contract on top of giving up a pick. Plus getting blown out by Jacksonville  doesn’t help him much

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Just now, BuffaloBills1998 said:

See the reason I believe he might be on the hot seat is because he vouched for Wentz. He’s really the only reason he got traded to Indy. Especially after all the negative press that was on him. They took on that hefty contract on top of giving up a pick. Plus getting blown out by Jacksonville  doesn’t help him much

 

I don't think he is on the hot seat. If they go 5-12 or something though, could he be fired? Absolutely. 

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18 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Seriously bro?  Did you watch Minshew for the Eagles on the last Sat nite of the season against the Cowboys who scare noone on defense?  He was marginal at best.  Uncle Rico was a nice story his first couple games w the Jags.  But the guy is severely limited.  I don't think the Colts are much better then the Texans if Minshew was their starter.  Phillip Rivers was better then Wentz.  But he had enuf after last season.  

Wow hard to be more wrong in a post.  Eagles were starting their backups because they had clinched playoffs. And the Cowboys had the 7th best defense in points allowed and first in creating turnovers. "Scare no one" lol. Have you heard of Trevon Diggs or Micah Parsons?

 

Also IRT the bolded, that's insane. The Colts have a top tier OL, a top tier rushing attack, a solid receiving group and some great defenders. Their roster is leagues above the Texans. Which is why they outscored the Texans 62-3 in the regular season in their matchups. They won both those games if you were wondering.

 

You may have set the record for most wrong points in a series in TBD history. Congrats!

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12 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Yeah, I know it's easy to say that, but are you telling me you've been right about about every QB who's about change teams?   Frankly, I'm still not sold on Stafford.  

 

In what way? Stafford ranks 4th all time in passing yards per game with 274.7

 

He has been a good player in the league for a long time.

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38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Think Trubisky and Minchew and Bridgewater make more sense because they are FAs. They won't cost anything. They already only have 5 picks in this draft, no 1st and no 6th... Garoppolo costs what, a 2nd? Maybe you get him for a 3rd? Depends who else is on the move I suppose. 

 

Because of the roster, coach and GM, I’d think they would be the top choice for any of the top FA’s. They would get to pick from that crop because they have such an attractive situation. 

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8 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Jacoby Brissett?? Be very very careful of what you wish for lol. I guess you didn’t watch him play this year in Miami. He’s abysmal. I’d take Dalton and Wentz over Jacoby as a back up any day of the week

 

I wouldn't want Wentz anywhere near OBD even if he played for free.  Andy Dalton is going to cost a lot of money to be a backup.

He signed for $10M with the Bears for a year.  Why would the Bills pay big money for a backup?

 

Brissett is not all that great but he can win as much as he loses with a good team.

I also said a QB "like" Brissett.

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

He is awful. The numbers from this year flatter him. Reich couldn't fix him he could just cover him his terrible play better than Pederson. But Wentz is not a culture guy, not a leader (remember the Philly players preferred Foles) and just a bad Quarterback. 

I remember when Josh Allen came out and all everybody could talk about was how Wentz was Josh Allen ceiling

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1 hour ago, Process said:

Has to be one of the worst trades ever. 

 

Trade a first round pick for a QB with an absurd contract, miss the playoffs, cut him after 1 year. 

 

What were they thinking?


It was actually a second that became a first because he played the requisite number of snaps. The unbelievable part is that he didn’t totally collapse until the last two games after the first round pick vested. 

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56 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

Nobody deserves some bad karma more than the embarrassing, carpetbagging Irsay family. They yanked an iconic franchise from the diehard fans of Baltimore and slid painlessly from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck. They deserve to wander aimlessly in the wilderness for the next quarter century. Landing Carson Wentz and surrendering a first round pick in the process is a nice start.

sounds like you really don't like the Colts, huh?

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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree Jimmy G is not great. He isn't winning the Colts a Superbowl. But I think he is the best option on the market. The Colts are just trying to find a guy to get them back to 11 or 12 wins and in the dance next year at this stage. 

 

Disagree.  They need to take their lumps this year and clean up mess before throwing more resources which will not be sufficient. 

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