Danielle Hunter, DE, the perfect trade candidate

[Magox]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

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AJ Epenesa has been super available, very easy to stay healthy in street clothes.

 

That made no sense.

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Not sure, but he missed a helluva lot in Buffalo for my liking 

The point being that Star didn't mess hardly any games, out of 80 possible regular season games, he started 77 of them for Carolina.

 

When Beane signed him, he was a dependable player.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Magox said:

That made no sense.

AJ doesn't get hurt and is always available because he doesn't play.  He has 28 tackles over 2 years. He is about to join Cody Ford on an ice floe.

[Perk71]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Too much fear of “cap hell” on this board. 

Agree.  I just want them to win a Superbowl.  Fan of 35 years and just want to experience at least one. 🤙🏼

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

You can't evaluate any strategy used by teams without a franchise QB. If Washington had a franchise QB they would be one of the best teams in the league.

 

And how can you say defense wasn't a problem in a game where our opponent scored 42 points?

💯

[JohnNord]

17 hours ago, Jerboski said:

Easily 

What’s the alternative?  2022 is the last in Allen’s rookie contract window.  The Bills have no one at DE.  They aren’t going to be able to draft a DE that comes in and dominated.  They need to make a big move to upgrade DE.  Their attempts in the past have not worked 

[Jerboski]

Just now, JohnNord said:

What’s the alternative?  2022 is the last in Allen’s rookie contract window.  The Bills have no one at DE.  They aren’t going to be able to draft a DE that comes in and dominated.  They need to make a big move to upgrade DE.  Their attempts in the past have not worked 

I agree completely 

 

I trade our first for him every day of the week 

[atlbillsfan1975]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

Because you said this:

The Rams have gone to the Super Bowl twice in the last 4 years. Win or lose, their system gave them a shot to win the big one.

 

We have not gotten to a single Super Bowl in 30 years. Our system has not.

 

My favorite trope on TBD is acting like all these other team's strategies don't work because they didn't necessarily win a Super Bowl, unlike our strategy which.... also hasn't produced a Super Bowl. 

 

Extremely funny.

Again, I don’t think anyone in here makes fun of other teams strategies. I’m not making fun of the Rams. If they win tonight I will applaud them. If they don’t win the SB tonight the window will probably be closed on their chances. 

[stinky finger]

6 hours ago, JohnNord said:

The reason Buffalo is in this spot is because Beane’s investments have not panned out well so far.  

I don’t get your point. 
 

All I’m saying is Beane is gonna pay a butt load for a DE that has a significant injury history.

 

 

[CaptnCoke11]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

What’s the alternative?  2022 is the last in Allen’s rookie contract window.  The Bills have no one at DE.  They aren’t going to be able to draft a DE that comes in and dominated.  They need to make a big move to upgrade DE.  Their attempts in the past have not worked 

I agree with you but trading a 1st for a player that’s hardly played the last two years with major injuries isn’t the best way to go about it.  

[FireChans]

17 hours ago, Utah John said:

The Rams chose to go all-in for this year.  Going forward they'll struggle to keep their team together.

 

Beane has been conscientiously working to build an enduring top-notch team, one that will be strong year after year, by NOT chasing high-cost performers that distort the payscale of the players under the salary cap.  

 

Are good players better than picks?  Well, good players on their rookie contracts are a hell of a lot cheaper than veterans, and that matters if the goal is to have a strong, complete team.  

 

If the Rams win the SB, they'll look smart for having made the choices they did.  But they almost didn't make it, which would make them look foolish for making the same choices.  And whether the Rams win the 2021 SB, it's a really likely outcome that the 2024 Bills will be better than the 2024 Rams.

Imagine wanting to be a 10 win team in 2024 over a Super Bowl champion in 2022. COULDNT BE ME

[Bronxbomber21]

BUFFALO would've cake walled both the Bangles and Rams 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

17 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Check back with my after the SB and I will let you know.

 

Now we can poach them 😈😈

 

 

[FireChans]

18 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Check back with my after the SB and I will let you know.

Okay. Von Miller had 4.5 sacks. The Rams second and third round picks failed to accumulate any stats.

[97bills]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Imagine wanting to be a 10 win team in 2024 over a Super Bowl champion in 2022. COULDNT BE ME

I don’t get it neither man I guess because I’m 45 and been a bills fan for 30. I just want to win one super bowl, every season is different anyway players come and go and injuries happen. 

[BubbaT]

After watching that Super Bowl it is painfully obvious that the Bills D line needs immediate help. The Bengals and Rams both had much better D lines than the Bills. An established edge rusher and someone to absorb space and anchor and push next to Oliver would really really help. I'd like to see them free up cap space to make that happen.

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, inaugural balls said:

I don’t get your point. 
 

All I’m saying is Beane is gonna pay a butt load for a DE that has a significant injury history.

 

 

The Bills have needed help at on the defensive line since 2018.  The fact that the Bills are in a position where they still need to find help at DE is damming to Beane, McDermott and the coaching staff. Some bad choices.  Here’s how Beane has addressed the needs:

 

2018: 
Star Lotulelei (FA)

Jordan Phillips (waivers)

 

2019:

Ed Oliver (draft - 1)

Trent Murphy (FA)

 

2020:

AJ Epinesa (draft - 2)

Mario Addison (FA)

Justin Jefferson (FA)

Vernon Butler (FA)

 

2021

Greg Rosseau (draft -1)

Boogie Basham (draft -2)

Efe Obada (FA)

 

Nearly every move that Beane made to address the line has not panned out well besides Oliver who had his best season in 2021.  
 

The Bills knew that Hughes and Addison probably would not play in Buffalo in 2022 so they drafted Rosseau and Basham - neither which appear to be anything more than serviceable.  Then there’s a JAG like AJ Epinesa who gives you nothing as a pass rusher.  These draft choices were pretty underwhelming  and still, they need help at DE.  That’s why I’m saying it’s better to trade the pick for Hunter a proven commodity than it is to allow the scouting staff to whiff on another DE.  
 

 

50 minutes ago, BubbaT said:

After watching that Super Bowl it is painfully obvious that the Bills D line needs immediate help. The Bengals and Rams both had much better D lines than the Bills. An established edge rusher and someone to absorb space and anchor and push next to Oliver would really really help. I'd like to see them free up cap space to make that happen.

To make matters worse the Bills have constantly tried to address DE and have failed miserably.  They thought Star would be the “space eating anchor” - some fans here still think he is - but he just hasn’t been good.  
 

The Bills have needed a DE and 1TDT since 2018

Edited February 14, 2022 by JohnNord

[stinky finger]

15 hours ago, JohnNord said:

The Bills have needed help at on the defensive line since 2018.  The fact that the Bills are in a position where they still need to find help at DE is damming to Beane, McDermott and the coaching staff. Some bad choices.  Here’s how Beane has addressed the needs:

 

2018: 
Star Lotulelei (FA)

Jordan Phillips (waivers)

 

2019:

Ed Oliver (draft - 1)

Trent Murphy (FA)

 

2020:

AJ Epinesa (draft - 2)

Mario Addison (FA)

Justin Jefferson (FA)

Vernon Butler (FA)

 

2021

Greg Rosseau (draft -1)

Boogie Basham (draft -2)

Efe Obada (FA)

 

Nearly every move that Beane made to address the line has not panned out well besides Oliver who had his best season in 2021.  
 

The Bills knew that Hughes and Addison probably would not play in Buffalo in 2022 so they drafted Rosseau and Basham - neither which appear to be anything more than serviceable.  Then there’s a JAG like AJ Epinesa who gives you nothing as a pass rusher.  These draft choices were pretty underwhelming  and still, they need help at DE.  That’s why I’m saying it’s better to trade the pick for Hunter a proven commodity than it is to allow the scouting staff to whiff on another DE.  
 

 

To make matters worse the Bills have constantly tried to address DE and have failed miserably.  They thought Star would be the “space eating anchor” - some fans here still think he is - but he just hasn’t been good.  
 

The Bills have needed a DE and 1TDT since 2018

 

I get it. Holes need to be filled. 

 

I doubt very much he’d pay the price necessary to obtain this player with this history. 

[BuffaloRebound]

Not saying it’s gonna be the Bills, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Vikings trade Hunter in next few weeks.  He’s got an $18m roster bonus due march 20.  New coaching staff in Minnesota and they have zero cap room.  I trade a 3rd rounder this year and next year for him.  

[NewEra]

On 2/13/2022 at 12:13 PM, HappyDays said:

 

Okay... that's still 5 less points and would have been the difference in our game.

 

I'm not betting on the Chiefs to play a bad game. Quite the opposite, I want our defense to be able to force them into one. Or at least force a punt more than once or twice. It's hard for our offense to perform much better than it did in that game and it still lost.

 

I don't think trying to make out shootout win percentage 1% higher is a good strategy. Those games are always 50/50. The Chiefs had the ball last so they won. No amount of offensive skill players tilts the clock in our favor.

motor had 10 rushes for 26 yards.  Josh WAS our run game.  Our “offense” was josh and Gabe Davis.  Nothing else.  
 

We had 14 points at the half and had 4 punts in the game (chiefs had 2).  

 

The chiefs offense clearly outplayed ours over the course of the game.    The chiefs had 30 first downs to our 23.  The chiefs had 552 yards to our 422 total offense.  The chiefs had 36 minutes TOP to our 27.  

 

If our offense outplayed their offense throughout the game....we would have won. But they didn’t…and lost.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

On 2/13/2022 at 2:54 AM, Process said:

Would much rather just sign Chandler Jones for 2 years and save the draft pick. 

 

3 DEs in the first two rounds the last two years. Enough.

Agreed. They have invested significant draft capital at DE. Time to see if they were right. 

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Not saying it’s gonna be the Bills, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Vikings trade Hunter in next few weeks.  He’s got an $18m roster bonus due march 20.  New coaching staff in Minnesota and they have zero cap room.  I trade a 3rd rounder this year and next year for him.  

He may very well get moved. I’m watching the Rodgers situation as well since Za’Darius Smith and others could be on the market for even less compensation if they retain A-A-Ron. 

[billsfan89]

On 2/12/2022 at 9:30 PM, CaptnCoke11 said:

Is he ever not injured?

From 2017 to 2019 he played every game, he opted out of 2020 due to covid and then got hurt in 2021 only playing about 6 games. Not that tragic of an injury history in terms of missed games. If the Vikings want to trade him for pick 57 and a 5th in 2023 I would be all for it. 
 

The Bills would have their elite edge setting DE at a good price and would still have pick 25 to make an impact elsewhere on the roster or trade down.

[LABILLBACKER]

On 2/12/2022 at 10:08 PM, FireChans said:

Who cares? Have the Rams not taught you that good players are better than picks?

Proven players like Diggs will always be more valuable than 1st round picks that half the time result in busts. Trade the picks, the Rams were right.

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Proven players like Diggs will always be more valuable than 1st round picks that half the time result in busts. Trade the picks, the Rams were right.

The Rams basically traded away their future for a super bowl now 

 

The roster is not built to last long.. and they're going to be losers pretty quickly.. I'd be willing to bet they don't win another one.. they got it but they are not set up well for the future

 

Would you want to trade 10-15 years of being super bowl contenders.. for a four year window that is basically closed?  

 

I think Josh is going to get us to a lot more than one if we manage our roster correctly

 

 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Buffalo716

[DapperCam]

13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Proven players like Diggs will always be more valuable than 1st round picks that half the time result in busts. Trade the picks, the Rams were right.

It isn’t just about ability, it’s also about cost. If there was no cap I would agree with you.

[Solomon Grundy]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The Rams basically traded away their future for a super bowl now 

 

The roster is not built to last long.. and they're going to be losers pretty quickly.. I'd be willing to bet they don't win another one.. they got it but they are not set up well for the future

 

Would you want to trade 10-15 years of being super bowl contenders.. for a four year window that is basically closed?  

 

I think Josh is going to get us to a lot more than one if we manage our roster correctly

 

 

 

 

Personally, I’ll be happy with just one in my lifetime 

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Personally, I’ll be happy with just one in my lifetime 

I'm sure most would be happy.. I just want one too..  

 

But if you had Josh Allen for 10 years.. and you had two options

 

One guaranteed super bowl.. while mortgaging your future and you never go back

 

Or 10 years of consecutively good football and playoff appearances..  but nothing is guaranteed

 

I personally believe Josh could and will get us over the hump in the playoffs.. 

 

He's not a generational quarterback... He's a general FOOTBALL player... with a will to win... I will never bet against him 

 

I'd be willing to bet this itineration of the Rams don't go back to the super bowl

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Buffalo716

[JaCrispy]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm sure most would be happy.. I just want one too..  

 

But if you had Josh Allen for 10 years.. and you had two options

 

One guaranteed super bowl.. while mortgaging your future and you never go back

 

Or 10 years of consecutively good football and playoff appearances..  but nothing is guaranteed

 

I personally believe Josh could and will get us over the hump a couple times in the playoffs.. 

 

He's not a generational quarterback... He's a general FOOTBALL player... with a will to win... I will never bet against him 

 

I'd be willing to bet this itineration of the Rams don't go back to the super bowl

 

 

 

 

 

A wise man once said “A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush”.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

A wise man once said “A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush”.

Absolutely 

 

But we're talking hypotheticals for football.. 

 

And the Rams are not going to be a good football team in 3 years..  

 

I'd rather have a good football team around Allen for 10 years straight.. and that means not trading away all your assets 

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Solomon Grundy]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

A wise man once said “A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush”.

Ice Cube??

[Solomon Grundy]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

But if you had Josh Allen for 10 years.. and you had two options

Had this with Kelly. It was a nice run, but one SB win would have been better, IMO

[BuffaloRebound]

You don’t need to trade multiple 1st round picks to get this team over the hump.  Heck, committing long term money to Edmunds would probably be more detrimental than going all out to win a super bowl this year.  

[BADOLBILZ]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The Rams basically traded away their future for a super bowl now 

 

they're going to be losers pretty quickly.

 

 

Not sure either of these things are true.

 

Remember..........when the 2017 Bills made the playoffs the only 1st rounder they had on the active roster in Jacksonville was Tre White........that seasons first round pick.

 

The Rams aren't buried under a mountain of cap debt either..........they are currently only about $10M worse off than the Bills.

 

If they make smart decisions in free agency and trades and re-structures............and draft well with what picks they have(and they've done that pretty well so far)...........and take advantage of their lack of draft picks and geographic location to score assets in undrafted free agency...........there is no reason they can't remain a contender and transition into another competitive team without ever being a bottom 10 team in the next 5-6 years.

 

And 5 years is really about as far out as you can possibly project any team success that doesn't include a young franchise QB.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Had this with Kelly. It was a nice run, but one SB win would have been better, IMO

Football's a game of inches 

 

We could have had one it just didn't work out... The NFC was also a much stronger conference 

 

This is all hindsight.. we don't have one so of course you would

 

But I'd rather have a team that can sustain winning for years .. you really want to go back to the drought?

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Not sure either of these things are true.

 

Remember..........when the 2017 Bills made the playoffs the only 1st rounder they had on the active roster in Jacksonville was Tre White........that seasons first round pick.

 

The Rams aren't buried under a mountain of cap debt either..........they are currently only about $10M worse off than the Bills.

 

If they make smart decisions in free agency and trades and re-structures............and draft well with what picks they have(and they've done that pretty well so far)...........and take advantage of their lack of draft picks and geographic location to score assets in undrafted free agency...........there is no reason they can't remain a contender and transition into another competitive team without ever being a bottom 10 team in the next 5-6 years.

 

And 5 years is really about as far out as you can possibly project any team success that doesn't include a young franchise QB.

Imo Stafford will play for a few more seasons... They don't have a lot of picks or money.. they can trade Jalen Ramsey for picks if they want and lose one of.  their best defensive player 

 

And that 2017 year shows Sean McDermott's coaching prowess.. that team didn't deserve to be in the playoffs but he schemed and coached the team to it.. despite some poor showings

 

And technically that team did have first round pick tre white.. Jerry Hughes was also a first round pick that we traded for.. and Kelvin Benjamin was also a first round pick that we traded for

 

I absolutely understand your premise.. about how the team wasn't loaded with first round picks.. 

 

But that defense was an opportunistic sieve.. our defense today.. though still is capable of letting us down.. has a lot more higher picks on it.. and it plays better week to week.. statistically and eye test 

 

Again it's my opinion but I think the 5-year future of the bills is a lot better than the Rams

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Imo Stafford will play for a few more seasons... They don't have a lot of picks or money.. they can trade Jalen Ramsey for picks if they want and lose one of.  their best defensive player 

 

And that 2017 year shows Sean McDermott's coaching prowess.. that team didn't deserve to be in the playoffs but he schemed and coached the team to it.. despite some poor showings

 

And technically that team did have first round pick tre white.. Jerry Hughes was also a first round pick that we traded for.. and Kelvin Benjamin was also a first round pick that we traded for

 

I absolutely understand your premise.. about how the team wasn't loaded with first round picks.. 

 

But that defense was an opportunistic sieve.. our defense today.. though still is capable of letting us down.. has a lot more higher picks on it.. and it plays better week to week.. statistically and eye test 

 

Again it's my opinion but I think the 5-year future of the bills is a lot better than the Rams

 

 

I just don't believe that it's a given that the Rams will "be losers pretty quickly" just because they traded away a bunch of draft picks.

 

I have a fairly structured idea of how I would use first round picks so you don't waste them when exercised................but in the big picture they are the most overrated way of acquiring talent if the intention is anything other than to select a QB.

 

Half of them don't play well enough to earn the 5th year extension and another 1/4 are at least somewhat disappointing.

 

The Rams have excelled at acquiring and getting more out of other teams early round picks...........see Leonard Floyd and A'Shawn Robinson as recent examples on the DL alone.........that's good scouting and coaching.........so I would expect that trend to continue.

[TheWeatherMan]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

motor had 10 rushes for 26 yards.  Josh WAS our run game.  Our “offense” was josh and Gabe Davis.  Nothing else.  
 

We had 14 points at the half and had 4 punts in the game (chiefs had 2).  

 

The chiefs offense clearly outplayed ours over the course of the game.    The chiefs had 30 first downs to our 23.  The chiefs had 552 yards to our 422 total offense.  The chiefs had 36 minutes TOP to our 27.  

 

If our offense outplayed their offense throughout the game....we would have won. But they didn’t…and lost.  

Chiefs had an extra possession in OT that the Bills didn’t have. If the Bills had won the coin flip, these stats are nearly reversed.  Bills lost by awful defensive decision making and a coin flip nothing more.  

Edited February 27, 2022 by TheWeatherMan

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I just don't believe that it's a given that the Rams will "be losers pretty quickly" just because they traded away a bunch of draft picks.

 

I have a fairly structured idea of how I would use first round picks so you don't waste them when exercised................but in the big picture they are the most overrated way of acquiring talent if the intention is anything other than to select a QB.

 

Half of them don't play well enough to earn the 5th year extension and another 1/4 are at least somewhat disappointing.

 

The Rams have excelled at acquiring and getting more out of other teams early round picks...........see Leonard Floyd and A'Shawn Robinson as recent examples on the DL alone.........that's good scouting and coaching.........so I would expect that trend to continue.

Those guys were already good football players.  Just not in ideal situation 

 

Sure it might have been good foresight to pick up a run stuffer like Robinson.. but they didn't develop him..  Floyd always had talent just not consistency

 

Just like when the bills picked up Jordan Phillips.. he was supremely talented going back to Oklahoma.. the dolphins just didn't use him right

 

McDermott identified a player and put him in the right fit where it let him shine.. like it's possible with most NFL players

 

The Rams have been good at that and they're going to continue to need to be because they don't have picks 

 

3 picks in the top 3 rounds in the last 2 years not a sustainable winning formula no matter what... I think in 3 years they're going to be in trouble

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Those guys were already good football players.  Just not in ideal situation 

 

Sure it might have been good foresight to pick up a run stuffer like Robinson.. but they didn't develop him..  Floyd always had talent just not consistency

 

Just like when the bills picked up Jordan Phillips.. he was supremely talented going back to Oklahoma.. the dolphins just didn't use him right

 

McDermott identified a player and put him in the right fit where it let him shine.. like it's possible with most NFL players

 

The Rams have been good at that and they're going to continue to need to be because they don't have picks 

 

3 picks in the top 3 rounds in the last 2 years not a sustainable winning formula no matter what... I think in 3 years they're going to be in trouble

 

 

 

 

Thing is.........we've been hearing how they weren't going to be able to sustain what they are doing since 2017..........and 5 years later they win the SB.........and figure to be a favorite in a conference that lost Brady and maybe Rodgers in 2022.

 

6 years of being in contention in the NFL when you didn't draft your own stud QB.............that's a LONG time in the NFL.    

 

And less draft picks means more opportunities for free agents or low cost "culture change" trades to join a Rams team where their skillset can be better used............while other teams are taking their lumps developing picks with their fingers crossed that they get 1-2 high production years out of them before they have to pay or let them walk.

 

If 6 other teams were taking the Rams approach..........I'd be inclined to say that supply wouldn't meet demand.........but that has not been the case........and the Rams have taken advantage of a market inefficiency to this point.  

[NewEra]

16 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Chiefs had an extra possession in OT that the Bills didn’t have. If the Bills had won the coin flip, these stats are nearly reversed.  Bills lost by awful defensive decision making and a coin flip nothing more.  

The chiefs punted 2 times….while having an extra possession.  The bills punted 4 times. If the Bills punt 3 times, we win.  

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

The chiefs punted 2 times….while having an extra possession.  The bills punted 4 times. If the Bills punt 3 times, we win.  

 

 

The Chiefs had 2 extra possessions.

 

Bills lost coin flip.......received the ball to start game and Chiefs finished the half with the football(missed FG).     Even

 

Chiefs got second half kickoff and finished with ball.   +1 Chiefs

 

Then the OT possession. +1 Chiefs