Jim Harbaugh expected to take Dolphins job over Minnesota. (Update) Mike McDaniel now is the possible front runner for Miami

[teef]

45 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

In his world, occupied by him and a handful of other posters, there isn't a thread that can't be turned into a "McDermott sucks" rant...

that's essentially what this is, and so be it.  I just don't know why anyone is pumping Harbaugh to that extent.  i think he's a solid coach, but i'm not the least bit nervous if he lands in miami.

42 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Harbaugh won more challenges …I guess

exactly.  what a weird flex.  and was SF really in that bad of a shape?  I honestly don't know, but i do know that changing the culture in buffalo was far harder than it would be for SF.   if someone is trying that hard to put the guy on a pedestal, maybe he's just not worth doing that for. 

[YoloinOhio]

39 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

He has turned things around everywhere he has gone: U of San Diego, Stanford (1-11 the year before he got there and 12-1 four years later), SF, and Michigan (5-7 the year before he got there, and he went 59-19 there not including the covid 2020 season when half the team didn't play). The track record is good. 

He didn’t really turn around Michigan. They were about the same with him as Brady hoke in terms of beating decent teams. He did finally get to the playoffs but was non competitive. Winning the big 10 and beating your rival once in 7 years is a very low standard for what used to be a great program. His biggest issue is developing a QB which is what he was supposed to be good at, and running a prehistoric offense which works in snowstorms and against bad defenses but won’t win a title.  Jmo

Edited January 31, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

That's a fair point. I was simply referring to his track record of success. Regarding Miami, they did have winning seasons the last two years, and they've occasionally made the playoffs in the last two decades. However, they're never upper echelon and haven't won a playoff game since 2000. Regarding expectations, I don't know. There aren't many Tua believers out there, which puts a damper on expectations.

 

Fair take.

 

As far as "Tua believers" and a damper on expectations, The Fins won 8 of their last 9 games.  I can't claim I watched every game, but from what I saw Tua played pretty well in most of them (didn't look good against Tennessee or the Jets).

 

From the bits and pieces I hear (again it's not like I haunt Dolphins boards or scour the Miami media,) hopes in Tua revived with that.

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He didn’t really turn around Michigan. They were about the same with him as Brady hoke in terms of beating decent teams. He did finally get to the playoffs but was non competitive. Winning the big 10 and beating your rival once in 7 years is a very low standard for what used to be a great program. His biggest issue is developing a QB which is what he was supposed to be good at, and running a prehistoric offense which works in snowstorms but won’t win a title.  Jmo

 

Welp, if Harbaugh's offense wins in snowstorms, that takes out half the games for Miami right off the start

[BrooklynBills]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He didn’t really turn around Michigan. They were about the same with him as Brady hoke in terms of beating decent teams. He did finally get to the playoffs but was non competitive. Winning the big 10 and beating your rival once in 7 years is a very low standard for what used to be a great program. Jmo

 

I thought he did fine at Michigan. My main concern with Harbaugh is the coaching staff that he brings with him.

 

Unless Vic Fangio gets a HC job, he'll be there as DC. Harbaugh is connected to a lot of good assistants. So I think that's a problem. 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, BrooklynBills said:

 

I thought he did fine at Michigan. My main concern with Harbaugh is the coaching staff that he brings with him.

 

Unless Vic Fangio gets a HC job, he'll be there as DC. Harbaugh is connected to a lot of good assistants. So I think that's a problem. 

Fair point. Fangio is an excellent DC.

[BrooklynBills]

Just now, Dr. Who said:

Fair point. Fangio is an excellent DC.

He's always surrounded himself with excellent coaches and runs a strong coaching program. He's a weirdo and his style can be exhausting but he's an excellent HC. Would rather he wasn't in MIA.

 

The problems in SF in the end were in the front office.

[dave mcbride]

58 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He didn’t really turn around Michigan. They were about the same with him as Brady hoke in terms of beating decent teams. He did finally get to the playoffs but was non competitive. Winning the big 10 and beating your rival once in 7 years is a very low standard for what used to be a great program. His biggest issue is developing a QB which is what he was supposed to be good at, and running a prehistoric offense which works in snowstorms and against bad defenses but won’t win a title.  Jmo

They went 12-13 in the two years before he got there. By Michigan standards, that's terrible. And the Rodriguez years were bad too. They had one good season under Hoke -- his first one -- and that's it. I know you're a Michigan hater  but let's be accurate here.  Harbaugh was reasonably successful there overall, and performed better than his two predecessors. Also, the "rival" has basically been one of a super trio of recruiting schools over the last decade plus (OSU/Bama/Clemson). I'd add Georgia to this mix now. They just recruit better than anyone else and they're hard to compete with.

Edited January 31, 2022 by dave mcbride

[ganesh]

18 hours ago, dma0034 said:

That sucks. I think Jim is a good coach

We beat the hoody hands down!

[May Day 10]

If I were him and looking for a good landing spot in the NFL... I would absolutely have desired the Vikings' job.  That division is ripe for the taking, and by extension, the NFC's balance of power is up for grabs in the near and mid-term.  

 

The AFC is an absolute gauntlet.  AFC East, you need to find a formula to top a 25 year old Josh Allen, and the turd that wont flush Bill belichick.  After that, there are like 8 up and coming teams, Broncos could get Rodgers, and even the stinky teams still have potential at QB.  

[YoloinOhio]

57 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

They went 12-13 in the two years before he got there. By Michigan standards, that's terrible. And the Rodriguez years were bad too. They had one good season under Hoke -- his first one -- and that's it. I know you're a Michigan hater  but let's be accurate here.  Harbaugh was reasonably successful there overall, and performed better than his two predecessors. Also, the "rival" has basically been one of a super trio of recruiting schools over the last decade plus (OSU/Bama/Clemson). I'd add Georgia to this mix now. They just recruit better than anyone else and they're hard to compete with.

I don’t think any Ohio state fan thinks he has been successful. That is why we want him to stay. I think it depends on how one defines success, and that bar has gotten lower and lower at Michigan. He took a giant pay cut last year because he had not been close to what was expected when he was hired - 0-6 vs Ohio state, zero big ten titles. Terrible record vs ranked teams. Couldnt even  beat sparty on the regular. He wanted to leave and go back to the nfl last year but the nfl didn’t want him. This year he finally got it done vs Ohio state, finally won the conference, finally made the playoffs. This is the year he can leave and feel like he accomplished something. But he has no formula for sustained success. His DC was there one year and went back to his brother in the nfl. His DL coach took a lateral move. And unfortunately recruiting is a huge part of the job and if you can’t compete there you can’t compete.  My point about Hoke was that he was more competitive than Harbaugh vs Ohio state and a better recruiter. Overall w-L in college is fairly meaningless as it includes a lot of bad teams. It only matters what coaches consistently do against ranked opponents, rivals, conference titles, playoffs. Or at least it should at a place like Michigan. 

Edited January 31, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Nextmanup]

18 hours ago, Rico said:

Kaep to Miami please.

Didn't you hear, he's been black listed from the league for quite a long time now.

 

But we do have clever logos printed on the backs of helmets now, with things like "End Racism" and "Inspire Change."

 

If you don't laugh at the hypocrisy, you'll cry.

 

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, 416BillsFan said:

A lot going for him in Miami: An owner he has a friendship with. Similar to his time at SF, they have a good defensive core to hold down the fort while he gradually brings his own offensive guys in. Then factor in lower taxes and like a lot of people he might be sick of the cold weather as he gets older.

Yea that’s all true…seems like the NFC North could be wide open though if he’s concerned strictly with winning.  

[ArtVandalay]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Why the Harbaugh love? 

 

Sure, he turned around a SF team and with the help of Roman, made Alex Smith into a serviceable QB, and accumulated a winning record.

 

But he also mis-managed the QB situation there in most hindsight judgements - Alex Smith went on to 7 years of solid QB play with 2 teams, including 4 playoff appearances and improved performance stats for the most part.  Yeah, he's not Pat Mahomes but he proved better than the "Hot hand" Kaepernick.

 

He also kind of seems to wear out his welcome after a few years.

Took over for a franchise that didn't have a winning record in 9 years...

 

In 4 seasons he had:

 

.695 record in the regular season

 

3 conference Chamionship appearances with one that went to the super bowl where his team fell short to a white hot Joe Flacco that had a historic postseason.  

 

He did this with Alex Smith and Kaepernick at QB.

 

He's also won double the challenges of McD in 1 less season. 

 

Harbaugh is a great coach, with an outstanding track record of taking mediocre QBs very far.  People mocking him have their heads in the sand, especially in comparison to McDermott. 

 

We want Miami to go after another rookie coach coordinator like Sparano, Philbin, Gase, Flores... not a guy like Harbaugh.

Edited January 31, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[stuvian]

Marlin fishing over ice fishing. Tough call

[Greg S]

1 hour ago, May Day 10 said:

If I were him and looking for a good landing spot in the NFL... I would absolutely have desired the Vikings' job.  That division is ripe for the taking, and by extension, the NFC's balance of power is up for grabs in the near and mid-term.  

 

The AFC is an absolute gauntlet.  AFC East, you need to find a formula to top a 25 year old Josh Allen, and the turd that wont flush Bill belichick.  After that, there are like 8 up and coming teams, Broncos could get Rodgers, and even the stinky teams still have potential at QB.  

 

Depends on what Rodgers does. I have seen rumors about him going to Denver but who knows. If he stays then GB is still the favorite in that division.

[teef]

25 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Took over for a franchise that didn't have a winning record in 9 years...

the bills didn't have a playoff appearance for 17 years..edited.

 

In 4 seasons he had:

 

.695 record in the regular season

great season record.  mcd has a good one as well, but not as good.  his team has some solid talent on it if i remember.

 

3 conference Chamionship appearances with one that went to the super bowl where his team fell short to a white hot Joe Flacco that had a historic postseason.  

ok.  would you think this was a positive if this was mcd?  absolutely not and you know this.  i can phrase this completely differently than you did and still be right.  i just see him as a guy that can't get the job done.  he's choked in major games.  you'd be ok if this was mcd's record in similar games?  no way...you'd want to run him out of town.  play up flacco any way you want, harbaugh still lost.  we lost to a red hot mahomes and it doesn't matter.

 

He did this with Alex Smith and Kaepernick at QB.

alex smith was a #1 pick.  this staff started with tyrod taylor.  kaepernick was his qb by his choice.  it was his team so it's on him who he went to the sb with.  you wouldn't give mcd a pass on this either.

 

He's also won double the challenges of McD in 1 less season. 

this has no bearing on anything at all.  i think you're trying far too hard here

 

Harbaugh is a great coach, with an outstanding track record of taking mediocre QBs very far.  People mocking him have their heads in the sand, especially in comparison to McDermott. 

 

 

We want Miami to go after another rookie coach coordinator like Sparano, Philbin, Gase, Flores... not a guy like Harbaugh.

 

Edited January 31, 2022 by teef

[Royale with Cheese]

20 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Took over for a franchise that didn't have a winning record in 9 years...

 

In 4 seasons he had:

 

.695 record in the regular season

 

3 conference Chamionship appearances with one that went to the super bowl where his team fell short to a white hot Joe Flacco that had a historic postseason.  

 

He did this with Alex Smith and Kaepernick at QB.

 

He's also won double the challenges of McD in 1 less season. 

 

Harbaugh is a great coach, with an outstanding track record of taking mediocre QBs very far.  People mocking him have their heads in the sand, especially in comparison to McDermott. 

 

We want Miami to go after another rookie coach coordinator like Sparano, Philbin, Gase, Flores... not a guy like Harbaugh.

 

How many years for the Bills?

[teef]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How many years for the Bills?

oh i fixed it in my post.  isn't that a strange way to compare him to mcd, or is that just me?

[ArtVandalay]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How many years for the Bills?

For McD when he started? 3 years.

8 minutes ago, teef said:

 

Lol no the Bills had a winning record 3 years before McD started.  Come on man. 

 

As for the postseason, Harbaugh took those teams far for what he had. Going to the conference Chamionship with an Alex Smith/Kaepernick combo is great, McD has elite Josh Allen and can't get as far as Harbaugh.

 

That was a well played super bowl, he didn't choke. 

 

Miami bringing him in is not good for us,  face it. 

 

Guy has a better record and been more successful than McDermott and that's a quantifiable fact. 

Edited January 31, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[teef]

1 minute ago, ArtVandalay said:

For McD when he started? 3 years.

Lol no the Bills had a winning record 3 years before McD started.  Come on man. 

ok...my point still stands.  it was 17 years and no playoffs.  the bills were in a worse situation that the 49ers.  come on man.  what about everything else?

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t think any Ohio state fan thinks he has been successful. That is why we want him to stay. I think it depends on how one defines success, and that bar has gotten lower and lower at Michigan. He took a giant pay cut last year because he had not been close to what was expected when he was hired - 0-6 vs Ohio state, zero big ten titles. Terrible record vs ranked teams. Couldnt even  beat sparty on the regular. He wanted to leave and go back to the nfl last year but the nfl didn’t want him. This year he finally got it done vs Ohio state, finally won the conference, finally made the playoffs. This is the year he can leave and feel like he accomplished something. But he has no formula for sustained success. His DC was there one year and went back to his brother in the nfl. His DL coach took a lateral move. And unfortunately recruiting is a huge part of the job and if you can’t compete there you can’t compete.  My point about Hoke was that he was more competitive than Harbaugh vs Ohio state and a better recruiter. Overall w-L in college is fairly meaningless as it includes a lot of bad teams. It only matters what coaches consistently do against ranked opponents, rivals, conference titles, playoffs. Or at least it should at a place like Michigan. 

Well, Michigan has the 8th ranked recruiting class for 2022, although they're a fair bit behind the leaders in terms of 5-stars (the usual crew and Texas A & M). College recruiting has come to resemble the tech industry -- with the nationalization of recruiting, a small group of 4-5 schools just suck up a hugely disproportionate share of the top talent. 8th may sound good -- and it is -- but it doesn't reveal how huge the disparity is between the top dogs and the rest.  

Edited January 31, 2022 by dave mcbride

[Perry Turtle]

3 hours ago, BrooklynBills said:

 

I thought he did fine at Michigan. My main concern with Harbaugh is the coaching staff that he brings with him.

 

Unless Vic Fangio gets a HC job, he'll be there as DC. Harbaugh is connected to a lot of good assistants. So I think that's a problem. 

Josh Allen tore Fangio's Denver defense a new one last season.  

 

[BrooklynBills]

2 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

If I were him and looking for a good landing spot in the NFL... I would absolutely have desired the Vikings' job.  That division is ripe for the taking, and by extension, the NFC's balance of power is up for grabs in the near and mid-term.  

 

The AFC is an absolute gauntlet.  AFC East, you need to find a formula to top a 25 year old Josh Allen, and the turd that wont flush Bill belichick.  After that, there are like 8 up and coming teams, Broncos could get Rodgers, and even the stinky teams still have potential at QB.  

Vikings GM was on the staff in SF when Harbaugh was there. Plus the Vikings can clear the cap space for Rodgers if they find someone to trade for Cousins ($35 million owed in salary which considering the recent extensions is about market value for him). Pretty sure Rodgers would love to play GB twice a year.

[wppete]

Great news for the AFC East. Miami fired a great coach in Flores and replaces him with a sister of a person in Harbaugh. I’m excited for the Bills. 

[H2o]

17 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Took over for a franchise that didn't have a winning record in 9 years...

 

In 4 seasons he had:

 

.695 record in the regular season

 

3 conference Chamionship appearances with one that went to the super bowl where his team fell short to a white hot Joe Flacco that had a historic postseason.  

 

He did this with Alex Smith and Kaepernick at QB.

 

He's also won double the challenges of McD in 1 less season. 

 

Harbaugh is a great coach, with an outstanding track record of taking mediocre QBs very far.  People mocking him have their heads in the sand, especially in comparison to McDermott. 

 

We want Miami to go after another rookie coach coordinator like Sparano, Philbin, Gase, Flores... not a guy like Harbaugh.

No, Harbaugh is not a bad coach. He was a good coach in SF. At the same time it's not like Miami is instantly a contender with him at the helm. The question will be can he succeed with Tua? In SF he had two very athletic QB's in Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick. He also had Frank Gore in his prime. The offense he ran has since had a blueprint laid out for defending it. So what offense is he going to run? Is he going to run the Andrew Luck style of offense from Stanford or the gimmicky SF 49ers offense he ran before. Miami doesn't have an Andrew Luck. They also still need OL help and a couple of decent RB's for that SF offense. Personally, I believe it will take him a couple of years to get the offense set up the way he wants it. By then the defense will be a couple of years older and they'll be having to make some personnel decisions on that side of the ball. Then he may be trying to find a Franchise QB as well. There are a lot of determining factors and he's not stepping into the same old AFCE from two or three years ago. NE is still solid and now we are right on the cusp of having a team winning it all. I'm not scared of Harbaugh by any means. 

[BBills83]

Harbaugh is a legend in his own mind. He finally beat OSU this year in a home game with a pretty experienced bunch that he finally got resultswith vs a strong but young team. His Michigan teams did not develop their players very well and that was completely on Harbaugh  and his coaching staff. He does not worry me in Miami. The Bills have got to stop being their own worst enemies. I worry more about them beating themselves - 13 seconds - than Harbaugh making a big difference in Miami. 

[Southern_Bills]

18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Well, Michigan has the 8th ranked recruiting class for 2022, although they're a fair bit behind the leaders in terms of 5-stars (the usual crew and Texas A & M). College recruiting has come to resemble the tech industry -- with the nationalization of recruiting, a small group of 4-5 schools just suck up a hugely disproportionate share of the top talent. 8th may sound good -- and it is -- but it doesn't reveal how huge the disparity is between the top dogs and the rest.  

 

Agreed, maybe 5-6 teams start the college football season with a legit chance at a title. Of course that's not to say you won't have a year where an inferior team finds a way.

[Big Blitz]

He's flying to Minnesota for an interview Wednesday.

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

5 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Well, Michigan has the 8th ranked recruiting class for 2022, although they're a fair bit behind the leaders in terms of 5-stars (the usual crew and Texas A & M). College recruiting has come to resemble the tech industry -- with the nationalization of recruiting, a small group of 4-5 schools just suck up a hugely disproportionate share of the top talent. 8th may sound good -- and it is -- but it doesn't reveal how huge the disparity is between the top dogs and the rest.  

That’s because the rankings reflect # of signees over average star rating. They signed 23 kids so far. Their avg star rating is less than Missouri. They’ve never been terrible at recruiting but just not good enough like you said. Bigger issue is player development once they get on. campus. His staff was not aligned well. He’s just a better fit in the nfl imo. 

Edited February 1, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[TheFunPolice]

53 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

He's flying to Minnesota for an interview Wednesday.

 

 

 

 

Minnesota is where he should go. These guys need to think strategically.

 

If you want to win go to the NFC. 

[YoloinOhio]

6 hours ago, H2o said:

No, Harbaugh is not a bad coach. He was a good coach in SF. At the same time it's not like Miami is instantly a contender with him at the helm. The question will be can he succeed with Tua? In SF he had two very athletic QB's in Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick. He also had Frank Gore in his prime. The offense he ran has since had a blueprint laid out for defending it. So what offense is he going to run? Is he going to run the Andrew Luck style of offense from Stanford or the gimmicky SF 49ers offense he ran before. Miami doesn't have an Andrew Luck. They also still need OL help and a couple of decent RB's for that SF offense. Personally, I believe it will take him a couple of years to get the offense set up the way he wants it. By then the defense will be a couple of years older and they'll be having to make some personnel decisions on that side of the ball. Then he may be trying to find a Franchise QB as well. There are a lot of determining factors and he's not stepping into the same old AFCE from two or three years ago. NE is still solid and now we are right on the cusp of having a team winning it all. I'm not scared of Harbaugh by any means. 

He will kick Tua to the curb by October 

14 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Minnesota is where he should go. These guys need to think strategically.

 

If you want to win go to the NFC. 

The newest date announced on Jim Harbaugh’s “Anywhere But Ann Arbor” tour.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

He's flying to Minnesota for an interview Wednesday.

 

 

 

He’s interviewing with the Vikings on national signing day! Straight sabotage to UM, savage.

[The Wiz]

I really hope I cover all of them but I'm sure you guys will let me know if I forget one of them if I do.

 

That being said,  He's travelling on signing day?  That's going to hurt all the signees SELF OF STEAM.  I COULD CARE LESS though.  His career is GROUND UP AND IN THE FREEZER if you ask me.  Treats players like they are still 20 years old and doesn't care if THERE happy or not.  All I can say is if he does take the job in Miami or Minny, YOUR AND IDIOT.

 

Let me know which ones I missed.

[BuffaloBills1998]

Even with the new report about Harbaugh flying to Minny on Wednesday, I fully expect Ross to make him a big time offer. Unless they like McDaniel from Revenge of the nerds. 

[TheFunPolice]

Mike McDaniel? Really?

 

Poor Eric Bienemy is never getting a HC job... Florio's going to be smashing those keys once this cycle ends and no HC job for EB. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Jeebus, I can't keep up.  I thought the Raiders hired Mike McDaniel

 

This is the biggest game of coach-search musical chairs I've ever seen.

2 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Mike McDaniel? Really?

 

Poor Eric Bienemy is never getting a HC job... Florio's going to be smashing those keys once this cycle ends and no HC job for EB. 

 

I hate to say this, but the best thing for Eric Bienemy, if he truly wants a head coaching job, would be to take a lateral move and become OC under a known defensive-minded HC.

 

Part of his problem is that he's perceived (rightly or wrongly) as Andy Reid's dingleberry. 

 

The fact that Matt Nagy ultimately failed in Chicago and didn't develop his QB, and that Doug Pederson flamed out in Philly after an ugly denoument with Carson Wentz  doesn't help his cause, even though Pederson did win a Superbowl first.

[Low Positive]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Jeebus, I can't keep up.  I thought the Raiders hired Mike McDaniel

 

This is the biggest game of coach-search musical chairs I've ever seen.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Mike McDaniel is the 34 year old OC of the 49ers.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Mike McDaniel is the 34 year old OC of the 49ers.

 

Thanks.  No not sarcastic, just haven't consumed enough coffee.

 

I got my Mc's mixed 😁😅

[Low Positive]

If this is true, it's a byproduct of Sean McVey and Zac Taylor meeting in the SB. All teams will want an offensive assistant under 40. Zac Taylor's highest position before being handed the reins of the Cincinnati Bengals was QB coach. 

[Mr. WEO]

19 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Well, Michigan has the 8th ranked recruiting class for 2022, although they're a fair bit behind the leaders in terms of 5-stars (the usual crew and Texas A & M). College recruiting has come to resemble the tech industry -- with the nationalization of recruiting, a small group of 4-5 schools just suck up a hugely disproportionate share of the top talent. 8th may sound good -- and it is -- but it doesn't reveal how huge the disparity is between the top dogs and the rest.  

 

Unless he can get a top QB to come and play like one, Michigan is stuck where it is.