Thoughts on draft

[John from Riverside]

I was very gung ho about a guard in the first round of this upcoming draft however I think Ryan Bates Has made his name in consideration for that starting spot honestly keeping this group might not be a bad idea even though we should draft a bates like player in the draft

 

We need a corner with speed or a pure pass rusher on the defensive line rounds one or two of this next draft in my opinion thoughts?

[BruceVilanch]

Trade our first rounder and Edmunds for a ready to go game changer on D like we did with Diggs. We're too far down in the draft to get an impact player so get one that's ready now.

Edited January 24, 2022 by BruceVilanch

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Trade out of the first round

 

C/G, DE, CB, TE in the first two days

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I was very gung ho about a guard in the first round of this upcoming draft however I think Ryan Bates Has made his name in consideration for that starting spot honestly keeping this group might not be a bad idea even though we should draft a bates like player in the draft

 

We need a corner with speed or a pure pass rusher on the defensive line rounds one or two of this next draft in my opinion thoughts?

I want Faalele some how some way. Give me also a WR like WanDale Robinson. I want another CB too, but we need to focus on the offense this year. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Ethan in Portland said:

Trade out of the first round

 

C/G, DE, CB, TE in the first two days

Ethan we need immediate starters and game changers I don’t think we get that by trading down

 

[Warcodered]

On 1/24/2022 at 12:33 AM, John from Riverside said:

I was very gung ho about a guard in the first round of this upcoming draft however I think Ryan Bates Has made his name in consideration for that starting spot honestly keeping this group might not be a bad idea even though we should draft a bates like player in the draft

 

We need a corner with speed or a pure pass rusher on the defensive line rounds one or two of this next draft in my opinion thoughts?

We still need IOL Morse isn't going to be here that much longer most likely.

Edited February 7, 2022 by Warcodered

[LABILLBACKER]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I was very gung ho about a guard in the first round of this upcoming draft however I think Ryan Bates Has made his name in consideration for that starting spot honestly keeping this group might not be a bad idea even though we should draft a bates like player in the draft

 

We need a corner with speed or a pure pass rusher on the defensive line rounds one or two of this next draft in my opinion thoughts?

Maybe try to sign Scherff? Draft Tre's counterpart in the first round. Pray Dabs & Frazier leave and use those picks on pass rushers. I don't know if Beane is capable of finding a better FA pass rusher than Addison.  And eventually we need to replace Edmunds. 

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I was very gung ho about a guard in the first round of this upcoming draft however I think Ryan Bates Has made his name in consideration for that starting spot honestly keeping this group might not be a bad idea even though we should draft a bates like player in the draft

 

We need a corner with speed or a pure pass rusher on the defensive line rounds one or two of this next draft in my opinion thoughts?

The problem is you rarely get monster pass rushers out the gate drafting where we draft.    You get guys like Rousseau, Oweh, Paye etc.  They typically take time.  

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

The problem is you rarely get monster pass rushers out the gate drafting where we draft.    You get guys like Rousseau, Oweh, Paye etc.  They typically take time.  

Yeah I don’t know what’s going to happen here I feel like Hughes and Addison are gone

 

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, SCBills said:

The problem is you rarely get monster pass rushers out the gate drafting where we draft.    You get guys like Rousseau, Oweh, Paye etc.  They typically take time.  

I honestly hate this team so much right now. We spent some much draft capital and money on a defense that looks like garbage most of the time. I’m tired of it honestly. We have to find a way to keep scoring more than KC and that means more speed WRs and o-linemen to give Josh even more time. 

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said:

Trade our first rounder and Edmunds for a ready to go game changer on D like we did with Diggs. We're too far down in the draft to get an impact player so get one that's ready now.

 

Really?  Tre White at 27 says you are wrong

[Buffarukus]

uhhhh god. no man. not yet. please tell me im not looking at a draft thread. no. i feel sick. no way in hell im hearing about a draft until my guts re enter my body. this is just to soon. 

 

😅😂🤣

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Ethan we need immediate starters and game changers I don’t think we get that by trading down

 

We need capable bodies on the OL and DL.  There will not be an elite pass rusher drafting in the late 20's.  Trade down and restock the lines.  The OL and DL were the problem all year.  Of course FA can change all that.  Get White back healthy and add a CB.  Also get Ertz or another capable TE to back up Knox.  

[SCBills]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

I honestly hate this team so much right now. We spent some much draft capital and money on a defense that looks like garbage most of the time. I’m tired of it honestly. We have to find a way to keep scoring more than KC and that means more speed WRs and o-linemen to give Josh even more time. 

Thats where I’m at.  
 

Keep this starting 5 OL together but draft a G/C in the first 3 rounds, along with a WR and CB.  
 

I’ll give them a high pick CB given I think Levi Wallace’s time has come to an end here.  
 

After that, the other two premium picks should be Offense.  Enough with the DL.  They have enough investment.  Just draft some mid-round rotational guys. 

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Buffarukus said:

uhhhh god. no man. not yet. please tell me im not looking at a draft thread. no. i feel sick. no way in hell im hearing about a draft until my guts re enter my body. this is just to soon. 

 

😅😂🤣

 

 

I'm going to assume the folks posting these "all is well threads" are all under 40.  

 

You folks have no clue.

 

If you could send me back to 1990 after that cluster F Super Bowl I'd have fired Walt Corey and most of the defensive staff.  

 

 

But hey its all good.  These guys built this thing I'm sure they'll figure it out.  Just like the 90s Bills did.    

 

[mannc]

14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Ethan we need immediate starters and game changers I don’t think we get that by trading down

 

Don’t worry, John. We aren’t trading down. I don’t think Beane’s ever done it and he certainly won’t this year.

[Milanos Milano]

4 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

McDermott got to do it his way last offseason and it failed. Those two DE's were useless this season, and this game.

 

If I'm Pegula, no longer do I allow McDermott telling Beane who to draft.

 

McDermott was the one who passed on Mahomes for a CB, and we all know Pegula wanted Mahomes. Now, Allen was probably the better fit here ultimately, but the defense first mindset is why the Bills can't get past the Chiefs. They will have trouble getting past the Bengals and Chargers in the comming years if they keep letting McDermott draft defense.

 

Not only is McDermott a failure on gamedays too often, but he is a failure on draft day as well.

This is where I’m at. It’s the Josh Allen show at this point. If I’m Pegula, I’m going straight to Josh and asking him what HE needs to win a super bowl. If Allen truly believes he needs no offensive players, then so be it. 

Edited January 24, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[TN Bills Fan]

36 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said:

Trade our first rounder and Edmunds for a ready to go game changer on D like we did with Diggs. We're too far down in the draft to get an impact player so get one that's ready now.

edmund's contract makes him untradeable

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, TN Bills Fan said:

edmund's contract makes him untradeable

Im treating him like a one year rental next year.   If he shows out, we’ll cross that bridge when it comes.  
 

Ive always been on the “leaning toward re-signing him” side, but after tonight, it’s just not working.  We can’t tie up this much money in linebackers on a team with a defense we can’t depend on for anything against a top offense.  
 

He was drafted for this type of game.  Heaven knows he’s not ideal against power run teams.   42 points and a 13 second collapse is evidence that he doesn’t help very much in the game he was drafted for. 
 

Edited January 24, 2022 by SCBills

[RyanC883]

40 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Ethan we need immediate starters and game changers I don’t think we get that by trading down

 

 

i tend to agree, but sometimes on OL or WR or RB you can. I’d get D in FA and draft BPA likely OG, C, RB or WR.  we need another RB.   Motor clearly cannot it all and we cant keep killing Josh.  

[BruceVilanch]

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

always been on the “leaning toward re-signing him” side, but after tonight, it’s just not working.

That's exactly where I am, I gave him a ton of leeway but he ain't it going forward.

51 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Really?  Tre White at 27 says you are wrong

There's always outliers.

[LyndonvilleBill]

As we start to roll into Free Agency Lots of discussions going on around the board. Now being past the Bowl games. Has anyone been working out the simulators? Have any been updated? 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 1/24/2022 at 1:33 AM, John from Riverside said:

I was very gung ho about a guard in the first round of this upcoming draft however I think Ryan Bates Has made his name in consideration for that starting spot honestly keeping this group might not be a bad idea even though we should draft a bates like player in the draft

 

We need a corner with speed or a pure pass rusher on the defensive line rounds one or two of this next draft in my opinion thoughts?

 

 

BPA  😜😜...

 

I think we corner there but you never know who falls that might be to good to pass up.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

On 1/23/2022 at 10:36 PM, IronMaidenBills said:

I want Faalele some how some way. Give me also a WR like WanDale Robinson. I want another CB too, but we need to focus on the offense this year. 

I agree, we need to prepare to score more than 42 points in order to advance past KC.  #1 defense's are overrated anyway. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

13 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I agree, we need to prepare to score more than 42 points in order to advance past KC.  #1 defense's are overrated anyway. 

May need 50+if we can't find a way to stop them from getting 42.😉

[MJS]

My thoughts are we need to see who we get in free agency / trades before we know what the Bills need in the draft.

 

However, I would not be opposed to a highly drafted cornerback with elite physical traits.

On 1/24/2022 at 12:00 AM, Gene1973 said:

McDermott got to do it his way last offseason and it failed. Those two DE's were useless this season, and this game.

 

If I'm Pegula, no longer do I allow McDermott telling Beane who to draft.

 

McDermott was the one who passed on Mahomes for a CB, and we all know Pegula wanted Mahomes. Now, Allen was probably the better fit here ultimately, but the defense first mindset is why the Bills can't get past the Chiefs. They will have trouble getting past the Bengals and Chargers in the comming years if they keep letting McDermott draft defense.

 

Not only is McDermott a failure on gamedays too often, but he is a failure on draft day as well.

There's a lot of speculation on what actually happened in this post. Any sources to back this up?

On 1/23/2022 at 11:42 PM, IronMaidenBills said:

I honestly hate this team so much right now. We spent some much draft capital and money on a defense that looks like garbage most of the time. I’m tired of it honestly. We have to find a way to keep scoring more than KC and that means more speed WRs and o-linemen to give Josh even more time. 

You hate the team? This is the best team we have had in decades.

[LyndonvilleBill]

7 minutes ago, MJS said:

My thoughts are we need to see who we get in free agency / trades before we know what the Bills need in the draft.

 

However, I would not be opposed to a highly drafted cornerback with elite physical traits.

There's a lot of speculation on what actually happened in this post. Any sources to back this up?

You hate the team? This is the best team we have had in decades.

As to FA's who of our own would you re-sign before others?

[LABILLBACKER]

On 1/23/2022 at 11:00 PM, Gene1973 said:

McDermott got to do it his way last offseason and it failed. Those two DE's were useless this season, and this game.

 

If I'm Pegula, no longer do I allow McDermott telling Beane who to draft.

 

McDermott was the one who passed on Mahomes for a CB, and we all know Pegula wanted Mahomes. Now, Allen was probably the better fit here ultimately, but the defense first mindset is why the Bills can't get past the Chiefs. They will have trouble getting past the Bengals and Chargers in the comming years if they keep letting McDermott draft defense.

 

Not only is McDermott a failure on gamedays too often, but he is a failure on draft day as well.

From now on I draft offense and trade picks for PROVEN defensive players. Don't let McD make anymore defensive selections. This strategy worked brilliantly with Diggs. Good Lord keep doing it. And don't be afraid to go all in like the Rams. So many 1st round picks bust anyway. 

[Low Positive]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

From now on I draft offense and trade picks for PROVEN defensive players. Don't let McD make anymore defensive selections. This strategy worked brilliantly with Diggs. Good Lord keep doing it. And don't be afraid to go all in like the Rams. So many 1st round picks bust anyway. 

The Bengals did that too. They drafted skill position players and signed FA for defense. They also only have 6 total scouts, so they probably just asked Joe Burrow who he wanted the day before the draft.

[papazoid]

#1 - CB - the two weakest starters vs KC were both corners

#2 - DT - we got gashed vs the run several times this season

#3 - OL - we have absolutely no depth

[MJS]

1 hour ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

As to FA's who of our own would you re-sign before others?

I'd try to re-sign the following:

 

Ike Boettger

Harrison Phillips

Levi Wallace (but he might be too expensive)

Justin Zimmer

Efe Obada (If he is really cheap)

 

And I would put a 2nd round tender on Ryan Bates.

Edited February 7, 2022 by MJS

[wppete]

I just saw a mock that gave us Devonte Wyatt DE, Georgia in the 1st Round and Coby Bryant CB, Cincinnati in the 2nd Round. I’d be very happy with that and then go OL in the 3rd and 4th. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

On 1/23/2022 at 10:36 PM, John from Riverside said:

Ethan we need immediate starters and game changers I don’t think we get that by trading down

 

Do you think there is a talent difference between pick 25 and 40? There isn't. The only reason to stay in first round is the fifth year extension option. 

Otherwise I take 4 picks in the top 100 over 3 any day even if that means dropping out of the first round. 

For what it is worth I think Beane will stay put and take the best CB left on their board. 

 

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

I'd try to re-sign the following:

 

Ike Boettger

Harrison Phillips

Levi Wallace (but he might be too expensive)

Justin Zimmer

Efe Obada (If he is really cheap)

 

And I would put a 2nd round tender on Ryan Bates.

Of that list the only guy worth a contract is Phillips. Mid-season when he was a healthy scratch I though he was gone. But he really played well when Zimmer went down.  Good news is there shouldn ot be much of a competitive market for him.

Wallace will be too expensive and they can get younger and cheaper in the draft. Zimmer and Boettger were not that good before they were injured. Obada on a veteran minimum maybe but I suspect any UDFA DE can fill his role. 

[Boatdrinks]

See what happens in FA first. 

[BananaB]

CB…. Can’t waste another pick on a DL and hope he makes the transition before Ed and Harry have. Gotta look for a pass rusher in FA. 

Edited February 7, 2022 by BananaB

[MJS]

27 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Of that list the only guy worth a contract is Phillips. Mid-season when he was a healthy scratch I though he was gone. But he really played well when Zimmer went down.  Good news is there shouldn ot be much of a competitive market for him.

Wallace will be too expensive and they can get younger and cheaper in the draft. Zimmer and Boettger were not that good before they were injured. Obada on a veteran minimum maybe but I suspect any UDFA DE can fill his role. 

These are decent depth guys who will not be expensive. What is the point of going out and replacing them with similar caliber players or wasting draft picks to fill the roster with these types? They know the system, they are good depth, and they likely won't be expensive.

[John from Riverside]

29 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Do you think there is a talent difference between pick 25 and 40? There isn't. The only reason to stay in first round is the fifth year extension option. 

Otherwise I take 4 picks in the top 100 over 3 any day even if that means dropping out of the first round. 

For what it is worth I think Beane will stay put and take the best CB left on their board. 

 

Of that list the only guy worth a contract is Phillips. Mid-season when he was a healthy scratch I though he was gone. But he really played well when Zimmer went down.  Good news is there shouldn ot be much of a competitive market for him.

Wallace will be too expensive and they can get younger and cheaper in the draft. Zimmer and Boettger were not that good before they were injured. Obada on a veteran minimum maybe but I suspect any UDFA DE can fill his role. 

Yes I do think there can be a talent difference between 25 and 40.   25 is where you get that guy that somehow slips out of the top 10-15 for various reasons and falls right into your lap at 25.   When you get into the 2nd round some of the players have been picked over TWICE before they get to the 40th pick.

 

We dont need players that might develop a couple of years down the road.....we need those 1st (and 2nd) round picks to be immediate contributers because now we are paying a unicorn QB unicorn money and we are not going to be able to keep all of our vets.

[LyndonvilleBill]

45 minutes ago, MJS said:

I'd try to re-sign the following:

 

Ike Boettger

Harrison Phillips

Levi Wallace (but he might be too expensive)

Justin Zimmer

Efe Obada (If he is really cheap)

 

And I would put a 2nd round tender on Ryan Bates.

Thanks.

 

I don't have Wallace, or Boetteger on my list. But do have Zimmer, Obada, Phillips and Bates.

 

I think Wallace will be too expensive and Boetteger I thought could easily be replaced. I have Hughes (vet presence 1 yr deal)and Neil instead. 

 

I also have McKenzie as a possibility, but totally depends on what they do with Beasley.

[RochesterLifer]

On 1/24/2022 at 1:42 AM, IronMaidenBills said:

I honestly hate this team so much right now. We spent some much draft capital and money on a defense that looks like garbage most of the time. I’m tired of it honestly. We have to find a way to keep scoring more than KC and that means more speed WRs and o-linemen to give Josh even more time. 

Thank you for making me feel good about my level of emotional stability.

[Turbo44]

3 hours ago, BananaB said:

CB…. Can’t waste another pick on a DL and hope he makes the transition before Ed and Harry have. Gotta look for a pass rusher in FA. 

And there are plenty of DEs available on FA. Will be $$ picking the right one is key. I Personally like Clowney