SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Has the collapse started? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33118299/baltimore-ravens-fire-defensive-coordinator-don-martindale-source-says Quote Ravens coach John Harbaugh issued a statement Friday saying he and Martindale "agreed to move forward in separate directions." "We have had a great run on defense, and I am very proud of what has been accomplished and the work he has done," Harbaugh said in his statement. "Don has been a major contributor to the success of our defense since 2012, and especially since he became defensive coordinator four years ago. He has done a great job. Now it is time to pursue other opportunities. Lamar benching? what more is happening 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Didn't see that coming. He'll become some new coaches defensive coordinator I expect. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Has the collapse started? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33118299/baltimore-ravens-fire-defensive-coordinator-don-martindale-source-says Lamar benching? what more is happening Ravens were bad on defense but what can you expect with all of their injuries? The life of a coordinator is fascinating. Martindale went from being a top candidate for a HC job to the unemployment line in the span of 5 months. Every opportunity to interview for a HC spot is huge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, jkeerie said: Didn't see that coming. He'll become some new coaches defensive coordinator I expect. This would be a fantastic "get" for Daboll is he has to fill out a staff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Geez. Life is tough in the NFL. That defense was destroyed by injuries. Hard to believe you can lose your job with one season like that under extraordinary circumstances. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 28 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Has the collapse started? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33118299/baltimore-ravens-fire-defensive-coordinator-don-martindale-source-says Wow, that makes sense. 1) Take the DC who took you to 3 straight playoff appearances, #2, #3, #2 defense. 2) Lose Judon in FA and Peters to an ACL (among other injuries) 3) Drop the offense from #13 (18) to #27 (26) in offensive turnovers, dropping the D from 3rd in the league for opponents drive start to 10th 4) The offense decreases almost as much in rank (from #1 to #7 to #17) 5) Fire the DC Not sure it will help them, but, Harbaugh has been the Ravens HC since 2008 with a W/L record of 137-88, so he's earned the benefit of the doubt I guess Be interesting if they keep Roman 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Wow, that makes sense. 1) Take the DC who took you to 3 straight playoff appearances, #2, #3, #2 defense. 2) Lose Judon in FA and Peters to an ACL (among other injuries) 3) Drop the offense from #13 (18) to #27 (26) in offensive turnovers, dropping the D from 3rd in the league for opponents drive start to 10th 4) The offense decreases almost as much in rank (from #1 to #7 to #17) 5) Fire the DC Not sure it will help them, but, Harbaugh has been the Ravens HC since 2008 with a W/L record of 137-88, so he's earned the benefit of the doubt I guess Be interesting if they keep Roman that may depend on what they decide what do with Lamar? someone had to be the scapegoat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 43 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Ravens were bad on defense but what can you expect with all of their injuries? The life of a coordinator is fascinating. Martindale went from being a top candidate for a HC job to the unemployment line in the span of 5 months. Every opportunity to interview for a HC spot is huge they literally lost all of their defensive backs!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Wow, that makes sense. 1) Take the DC who took you to 3 straight playoff appearances, #2, #3, #2 defense. 2) Lose Judon in FA and Peters to an ACL (among other injuries) 3) Drop the offense from #13 (18) to #27 (26) in offensive turnovers, dropping the D from 3rd in the league for opponents drive start to 10th 4) The offense decreases almost as much in rank (from #1 to #7 to #17) 5) Fire the DC Not sure it will help them, but, Harbaugh has been the Ravens HC since 2008 with a W/L record of 137-88, so he's earned the benefit of the doubt I guess Be interesting if they keep Roman This is reminiscent of what happened when Rex fired Greg Roman after 2 games (after scoring over 30 points in each of them) in 2016, when Rex should’ve been firing his clown brother. What a ***** show that was. 5 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: that may depend on what they decide what do with Lamar? someone had to be the scapegoat. Yes. I dont think Lamar is a good QB. He wouldnt even be as good as he was without the Roman system. On the flipside, Roman probably doesnt look that good without a QB like Lamar either. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Gutless Harbaugh 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Yes. I dont think Lamar is a good QB. He wouldnt even be as good as he was without the Roman system. On the flipside, Roman probably doesnt look that good without a QB like Lamar either. He has a great system for mobile QBs. Did well with Kaepernick too. I kind of like the idea of Roman paired with Josh Allen. The run game would always be on point, while Josh at this stage can essentially run the passing game on his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 So much for the Tic-Tac-Dough defense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Yes. I dont think Lamar is a good QB. He wouldnt even be as good as he was without the Roman system. On the flipside, Roman probably doesnt look that good without a QB like Lamar either. honestly I think the backup Huntley is it? Can do just as good as or be a better passing than Lamar. Edited January 22, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyobills89 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 That wink didn't go as planned. I can't see him not hired fairly quick, given the ravens injuries this year. He did pretty good with what he had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Wow, that makes sense. 1) Take the DC who took you to 3 straight playoff appearances, #2, #3, #2 defense. 2) Lose Judon in FA and Peters to an ACL (among other injuries) 3) Drop the offense from #13 (18) to #27 (26) in offensive turnovers, dropping the D from 3rd in the league for opponents drive start to 10th 4) The offense decreases almost as much in rank (from #1 to #7 to #17) 5) Fire the DC Not sure it will help them, but, Harbaugh has been the Ravens HC since 2008 with a W/L record of 137-88, so he's earned the benefit of the doubt I guess Be interesting if they keep Roman Maybe Frasier ends up with the Giants and we make the hire. Edited January 22, 2022 by Mango 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) Game Show is widely recognized as a good DC, he won't be unemployed for long. Edited January 22, 2022 by Freddie's Dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Went to their board to see some fan reactions. Something else caught my eyes. Clicked on a "who do you support for this years playoffs" type thread. Baltimore fans OVERWHELMINGLY support our Bills. Most common reasons are that our fans deserve it, we are a classy bunch (not you Filthy B), and because of Josh Allen. https://forum.russellstreetreport.com/showthread.php?222982-Who-you-guys-pulling-for-in-the-playoffs/page4 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK Fan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Martindale took the bullet for Harbaugh. It is just a matter of time now for Harbaugh. Lamar as your QB is not a winning formula going forward. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, Mango said: Maybe Frasier ends up with the Giants and we make the hire. TBH, I would truly hope not. Wink Martindale is a good coach and an original defensive mind IMO, but he has always to my knowledge run a 4-3 D and trend to a physical, press-man type of secondary. So that would be analogous to switching to Rex Ryan's defense the year after Jim Schwartz coached us to the #4 overall defense. Not good. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, JohnNord said: Ravens were bad on defense but what can you expect with all of their injuries? The life of a coordinator is fascinating. Martindale went from being a top candidate for a HC job to the unemployment line in the span of 5 months. Every opportunity to interview for a HC spot is huge or frustrating ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Saint Doug said: This is reminiscent of what happened when Rex fired Greg Roman after 2 games (after scoring over 30 points in each of them) in 2016, when Rex should’ve been firing his clown brother. What a ***** show that was. That's exactly what came to my mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I hate the ravens and anything to do with them, including him. But dam that’s a mistake on baltimores part 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: TBH, I would truly hope not. Wink Martindale is a good coach and an original defensive mind IMO, but he has always to my knowledge run a 4-3 D and trend to a physical, press-man type of secondary. So that would be analogous to switching to Rex Ryan's defense the year after Jim Schwartz coached us to the #4 overall defense. Not good. I think a huge part of the problem with Rex was that he just became a caricature of himself. He coached some tremendous defenses before he got here. But I definitely get and respect your point. Speaking of retreads, Jim Schwartz is the “senior defensive assistant” in Tennessee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: I hate the ravens and anything to do with them, including him. But dam that’s a mistake on baltimores part Right. So many weird firings in NFL this year. Some coaches deserved more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: He has a great system for mobile QBs. Did well with Kaepernick too. I kind of like the idea of Roman paired with Josh Allen. The run game would always be on point, while Josh at this stage can essentially run the passing game on his own. I think we need to keep Roman far far away from Josh. 4 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I thought they had street free agents in their secondary this year and they were still close to a playoff birth, I know something has to happen but this seems like blaming the wrong guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, Buffalo Timmy said: I thought they had street free agents in their secondary this year and they were still close to a playoff birth, I know something has to happen but this seems like blaming the wrong guy And who’s fault is that? Certainly not the DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 He’ll be d coordinator in Dallas once Quinn takes the Denver job just got a feeling….he seemed to be made the fall guy for Harbaughs constant gambles 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, JK Fan said: Martindale took the bullet for Harbaugh. It is just a matter of time now for Harbaugh. Lamar as your QB is not a winning formula going forward. I don't see why anyone needed to take a bullet. The Ravens haven't been under fire. Everyone understands that they lost like their whole team to injury. Harbaugh is an excellent coach. He is one of the top coaches in the league. I'm thinking this firing is more complicated than just chopping someone because they missed the playoffs. Maybe he didn't see eye to eye, maybe there was some internal strife, etc. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Flores incoming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 38 minutes ago, hemma said: I think we need to keep Roman far far away from Josh. Most Bills fans probably feel that way, but it's an overreaction IMO. Roman wouldn't be developing Josh. He'd give Josh a consistent running game, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Most Bills fans probably feel that way, but it's an overreaction IMO. Roman wouldn't be developing Josh. He'd give Josh a consistent running game, though. disagree. I don’t think Roman would know what to do with a real QB. Kap, Ty-rod and now Lamar. Alex Smith? Who was never a downfield passer IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: He has a great system for mobile QBs. Did well with Kaepernick too. I kind of like the idea of Roman paired with Josh Allen. The run game would always be on point, while Josh at this stage can essentially run the passing game on his own. There is something to be said for having an OC and not having the QB run the show. The guy upstairs is calculating and has a plan that he tries to make work. QBs on the field dont see everything going on all game. I agree with the stuff about Roman but dont think I would want him back here. Not a fan of his passing game and many times he has had a passing game coordinator while he just ran the running stuff. That leads to confusing, slow play calls, and possibly arguments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 22 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Most Bills fans probably feel that way, but it's an overreaction IMO. Roman wouldn't be developing Josh. He'd give Josh a consistent running game, though. Nah, not worried about that. I think putting him with Josh would be like setting a speed governor on a Porsche. Roman is great for squeezing more from less, but … Josh has too much top end for this guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: There is something to be said for having an OC and not having the QB run the show. The guy upstairs is calculating and has a plan that he tries to make work. QBs on the field dont see everything going on all game. I agree with the stuff about Roman but dont think I would want him back here. Not a fan of his passing game and many times he has had a passing game coordinator while he just ran the running stuff. That leads to confusing, slow play calls, and possibly arguments. It may. It would have to be a good fit, personality wise. I don't think there would be a passing game coordinator in this scenario, though. That's Josh at this point. Despite Roman's apparent limitations, his offenses put up good numbers and get to Super Bowls when paired with a great head coach and defense. The Bills have those along with the franchise QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 A Don is as good as a Wink to a blind horse? That’s Too Bad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, hemma said: Nah, not worried about that. I think putting him with Josh would be like setting a speed governor on a Porsche. Roman is great for squeezing more from less, but … Josh has too much top end for this guy. Gailey had the same reputation. More from less. Would you not want Josh in Gailey's offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said: Somebody has to 'take it up the @##', in these situations (Harbaugh lightly dusts off his shoulders) Are you volunteering? Asking for a friend Edited January 22, 2022 by Sherlock Holmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Their defense was terrible 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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