hemma Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Gailey had the same reputation. More from less. Would you not want Josh in Gailey's offense? I’d take Chan over Roman. Both have strengths & faults, but Chan was a QB and might have some great insights for a dual threat QB. Roman, not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 If Frazier leaves ( which I doubt ), I would bring this guy here. He can coach. I’m really shocked that they haven’t fired Harbaugh. Guy hasn’t done ***** since winning the SB with Flacco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Flores incoming Fores will get a HC job. He did a good job in Miami other than bungling Tua's growth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 3 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: honestly I think the backup Huntley is it? Can do just as good as or be a better passing than Lamar. Thats a bit bold IMO. Lamar is still a good QB. He has got flaws for sure, but he is such a dynamic play maker 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 5 hours ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said: So much for the Tic-Tac-Dough defense... I hear Thom McKee wants the job next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Wow, that makes sense. 1) Take the DC who took you to 3 straight playoff appearances, #2, #3, #2 defense. 2) Lose Judon in FA and Peters to an ACL (among other injuries) 3) Drop the offense from #13 (18) to #27 (26) in offensive turnovers, dropping the D from 3rd in the league for opponents drive start to 10th 4) The offense decreases almost as much in rank (from #1 to #7 to #17) 5) Fire the DC Not sure it will help them, but, Harbaugh has been the Ravens HC since 2008 with a W/L record of 137-88, so he's earned the benefit of the doubt I guess Be interesting if they keep Roman It has to be something else. I don't think you can logically make a case that one down year on defense is reason to can a coordinator. It's not even his worst season with this defense (in 2015 the Raven's were 24th in defense compared to 19th this season). It has to be some sort of professional disagreement with the organization. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 4 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Most Bills fans probably feel that way, but it's an overreaction IMO. Roman wouldn't be developing Josh. He'd give Josh a consistent running game, though. Roman is seriously limited in his ability to scheme and call passing plays. No thanks. 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Their defense was terrible Their defense was on IR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 6 hours ago, JK Fan said: Martindale took the bullet for Harbaugh. It is just a matter of time now for Harbaugh. Lamar as your QB is not a winning formula going forward. If Baltimore fire John Harbaugh they deserve everything they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I can understand why a lot of people are shocked by this. I am less so. I think it comes down to the fact Don Martindale is a dinosaur running an antiquated blitz heavy defensive scheme best suited to the NFL of 15 years ago. His contemporaries - Chuck Pagano, Mike Smith, Mike Nolan, Rex Ryan have already fallen by the wayside. It just isn't a defense that really suits the way the league is played on offense now. The way to play defense now is not to sell out for a big play on D but is to focus on preventing the big play on offense. To make those blitz heavy schemes effective now you really need the horses (Tampa run a similar scheme successfully but are stacked in the front 7) and while Baltimore have undoubtedly been hurt by injuries this year if I was in Harbaugh's shoes I would be trying to move to a more sustainable, less star driven, more modern NFL defense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 5 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: disagree. I don’t think Roman would know what to do with a real QB. Kap, Ty-rod and now Lamar. Alex Smith? Who was never a downfield passer IIRC. Roman is a poor man’s shanahan. Good to great running game but can’t call or develop passing plays. 5 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: If Frazier leaves ( which I doubt ), I would bring this guy here. He can coach. I’m really shocked that they haven’t fired Harbaugh. Guy hasn’t done ***** since winning the SB with Flacco He’s probably got about 2-3 years left depending on Lamar’s development. If LJs progression or quality of play drops, then he will probably be gone and replaced with a ‘offensive minded-coach’. especially if they pay LJ big money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 6 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: disagree. I don’t think Roman would know what to do with a real QB. Kap, Ty-rod and now Lamar. Alex Smith? Who was never a downfield passer IIRC. Greg Roman is the guy you hire to get maximum offensive production with a limited passer. He is the best run game coordinator in the entire NFL - and yes - I include Shanahan in that. He is one of the most creative coaches in football. People don't associate creativity with running game so he doesn't get the credit he deserves IMO. But his running game is so complex and so multiple and puts defenses in so many binds - especially when he can operate it with a mobile QB. You are right though. He is not the man you want coordinating an offense where your main weapon is an elite passing Quarterback. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Thats a bit bold IMO. Lamar is still a good QB. He has got flaws for sure, but he is such a dynamic play maker He’s a JAG. the Ravens had a LEGIT top 5 defense when 🤢 he won the MVP. Joe Flacco or Trent Dilfer ring a bell? 4 seasons. 4. He still has FLAWS. No QB is perfect (wait) but after 4 years he is still a guy who isn’t a top 10 passer. Does he thread a needle? Will he take the risk or be like Tyrod and mostly pass to wide open receivers? Edited January 22, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I can understand why a lot of people are shocked by this. I am less so. I think it comes down to the fact Don Martindale is a dinosaur running an antiquated blitz heavy defensive scheme best suited to the NFL of 15 years ago. His contemporaries - Chuck Pagano, Mike Smith, Mike Nolan, Rex Ryan have already fallen by the wayside. It just isn't a defense that really suits the way the league is played on offense now. The way to play defense now is not to sell out for a big play on D but is to focus on preventing the big play on offense. To make those blitz heavy schemes effective now you really need the horses (Tampa run a similar scheme successfully but are stacked in the front 7) and while Baltimore have undoubtedly been hurt by injuries this year if I was in Harbaugh's shoes I would be trying to move to a more sustainable, less star driven, more modern NFL defense. Martindale came up in the ranks learning and following those guys. Baltimore has run that type of scheme forever and you are absolutely correct that it is falling by the wayside and they need to find a modern defense. I will be interested if this means they go outside the organization and bring in someone with a different background. This is not something they do as an organization often, but they have brought in coaches like Roman when needed. Martindale had it tough because of the injuries on the back end meant you could not effectively attack with the front 7. The loss of Judon (who was their do it all) also hurt - he was their emotional and physical leader. I personally would not want him on my coaching staff as a DC, but if you need a LB coach or a guy that can help scheme up an attacking defense for a few plays to break some tendencies- he would be a helpful guy in a suited role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 7 hours ago, billsfan89 said: It has to be something else. I don't think you can logically make a case that one down year on defense is reason to can a coordinator. It's not even his worst season with this defense (in 2015 the Raven's were 24th in defense compared to 19th this season). It has to be some sort of professional disagreement with the organization. Don Pees was the defensive coordinator in 2015. He was not fired. Martindale was with the Ravens, but just as linebackers coach, not DC I dunno about "logic", but sure - coordinators are canned for down years (heck, for a few bad games!) all the time in the NFL. It doesn't have to be logical to happen. It's called "having a fall guy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 10 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: If Frazier leaves ( which I doubt ), I would bring this guy here. He can coach. I’m really shocked that they haven’t fired Harbaugh. Guy hasn’t done ***** since winning the SB with Flacco Hard "No". Martindale and Frazier do not use the same defensive scheme. It would be a rebuild defensively to bring someone like Martindale in, like dismantling our #4 Schwartz led defense to re-boot it to Wrecks Ryan's specifications. If by "hasn't done *****" you mean "went through the transition from an aging franchise QB to a new draftee with only one losing season, and went to the playoffs 4 times while winning", OK, but that's not the usual definition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 14 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Yes. I dont think Lamar is a good QB. He wouldnt even be as good as he was without the Roman system. On the flipside, Roman probably doesnt look that good without a QB like Lamar either. Stephen A. Smith was saying like two days ago that he'd still take Lamar over Allen. I want what he's smoking. Wow 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Stephen A. Smith was saying like two days ago that he'd still take Lamar over Allen. I want what he's smoking. Wow Stephen A is an A bsolute loudmouth If you have to YELL to make a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Stephen A. Smith was saying like two days ago that he'd still take Lamar over Allen. I want what he's smoking. Wow Wasn't Allen leading in the pro bowl voting until players and coaches voted? So evidently, Stephen A. Smith is not alone in his opinion. Incorrect in his judgement (in both our views), but not alone in his opinion at all. 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Their defense was terrible Their defenders were either playing for someone else and not adequately replaced, or on IR Team jumping from 11 to 18 INTs didn't help Offense dropping from 7 to 17th in the league for points scored didn't help them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Wasn't Allen leading in the pro bowl voting until players and coaches voted? So evidently, Stephen A. Smith is not alone in his opinion. Incorrect in his judgement (in both our views), but not alone in his opinion at all. as I recall Josh was leading Also. Top 5 defense and ZERO guys named and the AFC QB’s 2 of 3 are not in the post season Quarterback (3) Justin Herbert, Patty Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson maybe the figured the nominees would actually play in the PB and not preparing for the SB. Edited January 22, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: yes he was as I call Josh was leading Also. Top 5 defense and ZERO guys named and the AFC QB’s 2 of 3 are not in the post season Quarterback (3) Justin Herbert, Patty Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson maybe the figured the nominees would actually play in the PB and not preparing for the SB. That last has never been a factor before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Was he the one advocating going for two? Was he responsible for the dog crap offense they had at the end of the season? Did he personally injure all of the defensive backs? This is a desperate move of a coach who knows he's on the ropes after two disappointing seasons in a row Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That last has never been a factor before 1. The sarcasm should have been obvious Is the pro bowl before or after the SB? You will not see a QB in the playoffs EVER play in the Pro Bowl The Pro Bowl used to be played the week after the Super Bowl but is now the week before - players whose team are in the Super Bowl do not play. So while I may have misworded my joke the point remains. Lamar is a joke. In 2 seasons he will be a backup, if that Edited January 22, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 The DC was sacrificed on the alter of someone must take the blame. Harbaugh was a riverboat gambler this year and the house won. Simple as that. He did not have the horses to compete and gambled like he did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Harbaugh is a great HC and Lamar is a great QB who can do things no one else can, including Josh Allen and Mahomes. They'll get things sorted out. The Ravens are historically a very well run organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Lamar is a joke. In 2 seasons he will be a backup, if that I disagree, and factually, so do a bunch of coaches and players who voted for Probowl (though to be fair, I disagree with the voting) He has a specific skill set that the team has to be built to support. This year, a lot of those pieces were on IR or missing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) Lamar sucks IMO. Edit as a true QB. He is Tyrod Taylor 2.5. Sorry you and they are blind 16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He has a specific skill set that the team has to be built to support. This year, a lot of those pieces were on IR or missing. Edited January 22, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 16 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: honestly I think the backup Huntley is it? Can do just as good as or be a better passing than Lamar. The goal is to win games. The Ravens fell apart after Lamar got hurt & Huntley replaced him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: The goal is to win games. The Ravens fell apart after Lamar got hurt & Huntley replaced him. Huntley also won games too. And he lost and now the DC is the scapegoat Because Huntley wasn’t a runner less guys were wide open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 46 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Huntley also won games too. And he lost and now the DC is the scapegoat Because Huntley wasn’t a runner less guys were wide open Game not games, Tyler Huntley won 1 game in 4 starts. Thar's a win % of 25% with Huntley starting. With Lamar Jackson the Ravens are 37-12 (75.5% win %) in 4 seasons. Even though they weren't as good this year they were 7-5 (58.3%) with Lamar. 58.3% is much better than 25%. Edited January 22, 2022 by Albany,n.y. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 If we lose Frazier, Do you think the Bills would bring him in as a DC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Game not games, Tyler Huntley won 1 game in 4 starts. Thar's a win % of 25% with Huntley starting. With Lamar Jackson the Ravens are 37-12 (75.5% win %) in 4 seasons. Even though they weren't as good this year they were 7-5 (58.3%) with Lamar. 58.3% is much better than 25%. and what says the Ravens would have won with Lamar? We don’t know. no to overlook the fact that Lamar was injured AGAIN. So not only is he not a quality passer he’s a SOFT runner. Shades of RGIII You can win games with a not so great Qb Didn’t Ty-rod have a winning record? Sometimes a team carries the QB Tyrod was so inept. We had to suffer with Peterman!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 17 hours ago, ganesh said: Fores will get a HC job. He did a good job in Miami other than bungling Tua's growth. Define good job?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Define good job?? like how close he got to the playoffs Tua is 3-0 against the Pats ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 9 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: He’s a JAG. the Ravens had a LEGIT top 5 defense when 🤢 he won the MVP. Joe Flacco or Trent Dilfer ring a bell? 4 seasons. 4. He still has FLAWS. No QB is perfect (wait) but after 4 years he is still a guy who isn’t a top 10 passer. Does he thread a needle? Will he take the risk or be like Tyrod and mostly pass to wide open receivers? He's always going to have flaws. But he also has skills that no QB in the history of the nfl has. I am not saying he's an a elite QB. But to say Huntley is as good as him is a massive stretch IMO. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: like how close he got to the playoffs Tua is 3-0 against the Pats ???? Getting close doesn’t cut it. He failed to build an offense and to hire a competent offensive coordinator. He traded away team captains to make a point to changing the defensive schemes only to go back to the 2020 schemes because all the defensive players were complaining about the new defensive not working and that was during the 1-7 start. He alienated not only Tua but other players and his own coaching staff. And then wanted the same amount of power that Belichick gets in NE. Dudes a .500 level coach at best, and that’s not gonna get the job done. As they say, some guys are better coordinators than they are HC’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 22 hours ago, jkeerie said: Didn't see that coming. He'll become some new coaches defensive coordinator I expect. Gotta figure DaBoll will be in touch 💯 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Define good job?? Flores did ok job. He agreed to drafting Tua over Herbert. Then quickly realized that was a bad decision. Coupled with reports that Tua is not a hard worker created bad relationship. Went through OC’s every year. Had poor relationship with GM and then owner. Part of organization disfunction. Completely owned by Bills but very successful vs Pats. The guy has some good attributes but will have to have answers for his issues in Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 23, 2022 Author Share Posted January 23, 2022 4 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: But he also has skills that no QB in the history of the nfl has. BS Josh is much better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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