HOUSE Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) “(Haack) is coming on nicely, as far as punting. He’s been unbelievable for Bass. He is the best caddie, as I call him, in the league as far as he’s an elite holder. That helps Bass be who he is. He’s a big brother to him. And he’s coaching him up and helping him out. He has a great feel for everything. We just love him in the room. I can’t say enough good things about him,” Farwell said. https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/01/12/what-sean-mcdermott-said-about-bills-punter-matt-haack/ Edited January 12, 2022 by HOUSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Maybe a knock on Bojo? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Funny that you quoted Heath Farwell and not McD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Notice he didn’t say anything about Hacks punting ability. I’m continuing my crusade banging the table that we overdraft Azaria https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32591242/why-college-football-see-attraction-punter-san-diego-state%3fplatform=amp 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, eball said: Funny that you quoted Heath Farwell and not McD. Thanks, I changed it.......no coffee yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pete said: Notice he didn’t say anything about Hacks punting ability. I’m continuing my crusade banging the table that we overdraft Azaria https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32591242/why-college-football-see-attraction-punter-san-diego-state%3fplatform=amp You mean Araiza? The man's name is Araiza. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: You mean Araiza? The man's name is Araiza. lol yep Im confusing his name with The Simpsons guy 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 I have never seen one paragraph loaded with this many land mines ... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 They are so blind. This is unbelievable, really. It's about results on the field. You don't have to choose between holding and punting. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Haack obv had a bad game last week, but can't completely discount conditions. If Farwell is being strait with us, the calculation is, does Haack's holding ability outweigh his lack of punting ability? His punting hasn't been terrible and I'm not sure it's made a difference at any point this year. I think we're more likely to see a game decided by a field goal rather than punting? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 20 minutes ago, Big Turk said: You mean Araiza? The man's name is Araiza. 17 minutes ago, Pete said: lol yep Im confusing his name with The Simpsons guy "Moron!" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NI Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Just now, dorquemada said: Haack obv had a bad game last week, but can't completely discount conditions. If Farwell is being strait with us, the calculation is, does Haack's holding ability outweigh his lack of punting ability? His punting hasn't been terrible and I'm not sure it's made a difference at any point this year. I think we're more likely to see a game decided by a field goal rather than punting? The blocked punt vs Steelers was a factor in the outcome of that game. Not 100% his fault of course, but he didn't get that one away quickly enough, gave them a better chance at the block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 meanwhile: https://larrybrownsports.com/football/mason-crosby-laces-in-holder-corey-borjorquez/586773 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, NI Bills Fan said: The blocked punt vs Steelers was a factor in the outcome of that game. Not 100% his fault of course, but he didn't get that one away quickly enough, gave them a better chance at the block. Yeah - they whiffed on that protection though. The twist came in and was barely touched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 25 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Haack obv had a bad game last week, but can't completely discount conditions. If Farwell is being strait with us, the calculation is, does Haack's holding ability outweigh his lack of punting ability? His punting hasn't been terrible and I'm not sure it's made a difference at any point this year. I think we're more likely to see a game decided by a field goal rather than punting? I think this a fair take. I will be honest, I was screaming Sunday after his 3rd botched punt. It was almost like he allowed the weather conditions to get into his head. He certainly has his shortcomings, but he has been mostly reliable this season. One punt in particular that could (and should) have played a huge role in changing field position was the overtime punt against the Bucs. After going 3-and-out on offense, Haack boomed one to pin the Bucs back deep in their territory. If the defense did a better job there (and, of course, the refs didn't hose us) that punt would be better remembered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Maybe a knock on Bojo? I hope not because it wouldn’t make much sense. Bass is 28 of 32 this year (with Haack) and 28 of 34 last year (with Bojo). Not much difference. I think Bass was near 100% after Week 7 too. . Edited January 12, 2022 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 So apparently an elite holder = Championship Actual punting = Meh, doesn't really matter. 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Haack obv had a bad game last week, but can't completely discount conditions. If Farwell is being strait with us, the calculation is, does Haack's holding ability outweigh his lack of punting ability? His punting hasn't been terrible and I'm not sure it's made a difference at any point this year. I think we're more likely to see a game decided by a field goal rather than punting? I disagree. His punting has been terrible. 27th in the NFL in average yards per punt. 25th in forcing fair catches (indiciation of good/high punts). And 23rd in punts downed within the 20. . Edited January 12, 2022 by Einstein 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flipnmi Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Einstein said: I hope not because it wouldn’t make much sense. Bass is 28 of 32 this year (with Haack) and 28 of 44 last year (with Bojo). Not much difference. 87.5% vs 63.6% is "not much difference"?? Let's just be happy Haack's bad game came against the Jets and not a game where it really influenced the outcome of the game. Hopefully he learned something that will avoid a recurrance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Flipnmi said: 87.5% vs 63.6% is "not much difference"?? Let's just be happy Haack's bad game came against the Jets and not a game where it really influenced the outcome of the game. Hopefully he learned something that will avoid a recurrance. 28 of 34. Typo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Farwell: "If I see that son of a B word in the streets I'll punch him right in the throat. Believe that. Shank another punt and try me, Haack. See you in hell." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, Einstein said: I hope not because it wouldn’t make much sense. Bass is 28 of 32 this year (with Haack) and 28 of 44 last year (with Bojo). Not much difference. Hey Einstein do the math, this year 87.5%, last year 63.6%. That’s a big difference, in fact it’s a 23.9% difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 yeah well its an interesting fly on the wall type comment regarding their thoughts on Haack. Being a mentor, good holder and a good locker room guy VS game production. Knowing this makes me aware that they likely hold more stock in he than the fanbase at this point. based on the intangibles. But yeah I also find that hard to believe. I think it would be idiotic for his job to not at least be in question moving forward. If he whiffs many more punts Im guessing so-long Matt Haack. *shrugs* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, chris heff said: Hey Einstein do the math, this year 87.5%, last year 63.6%. That’s a big difference, in fact it’s a 23.9% difference. Hey Chris, it was a typo. The difference is 28 of 32 vs 28 of 34. Not 44. lol. And he only missed 1 field goal after week 7. Edited January 12, 2022 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I have never seen a team that values special teams enough to waste all of these game day roster spots on guys that can ONLY play STs…you can not waste a spot on a guy that can just hold and use another guy to punt. Make Trubitsky the holder, or a WR if you are going to use the other punter. I don’t care how great Haak is as a holder. If he can’t punt, you can’t waste a spot. Other guys can hold if need be but someone needs to punt. A hell of alot better then last weekend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, Einstein said: Hey Chris, it was a typo. The difference is 28 of 32 vs 28 of 34. Not 44. lol. And he only missed 1 field goal after week 7. He’s also perfect on extra points this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 OK he holds well but he needs to punt better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I have never seen a team that values special teams enough to waste all of these game day roster spots on guys that can ONLY play STs…you can not waste a spot on a guy that can just hold and use another guy to punt. Make Trubitsky the holder, or a WR if you are going to use the other punter. I don’t care how great Haak is as a holder. If he can’t punt, you can’t waste a spot. Other guys can hold if need be but someone needs to punt. A hell of alot better then last weekend. We used to have a kickoff specialist. A KICK OFF SPECIALIST lol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: They are so blind. This is unbelievable, really. It's about results on the field. You don't have to choose between holding and punting. They aren't going to pile on one of their players to the media. They know the issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Just don't punt. Problem solved. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The whole freaking team better be aware that Belichick is gunning for a punt block this week. He's the alpha shark smelling blood in the water and Haack + cold = Chum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: You mean Araiza? The man's name is Araiza. No, he meant Azaria! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Einstein said: We used to have a kickoff specialist. A KICK OFF SPECIALIST lol. I know that’s kind of where I’m getting my start of this from. Stop wasting spots on guys that can only play STs. Back ups at real positions can play STs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Pete said: Notice he didn’t say anything about Hacks punting ability. I’m continuing my crusade banging the table that we overdraft Azaria https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32591242/why-college-football-see-attraction-punter-san-diego-state%3fplatform=amp After reading that article I'm in love with this player. Like, I'd take him over a 450 pound DT kind of love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Pete said: Notice he didn’t say anything about Hacks punting ability. I’m continuing my crusade banging the table that we overdraft Azaria https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32591242/why-college-football-see-attraction-punter-san-diego-state%3fplatform=amp Thanks for bringing him up. He is unbelievable. 4th? 4 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: After reading that article I'm in love with this player. Like, I'd take him over a 450 pound DT kind of love. Watch highlights video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, offyourocker said: Thanks for bringing him up. He is unbelievable. 4th? Al Davis would have scooped him up in the 1st round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Did anyone else notice that during Haack's struggles the other day, he was attempting the "Aussie" style punts for those 3 awful attempts? He then switched to the more traditional "Reggie Roby" style spiral punts and they cut right threw that wind for his final 2 (I think it was 2...) punts. I found that very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) A truly great punter is a huge weapon for your team. I'd draft him in the 3rd round. He can also kick if needed, which is enormous. It's not common, but kickers do pull something or get hurt during a game, and if that's a playoff game you could be in big trouble if your punter isn't a good kicker, which most are not. This is actually a really interesting philosophical discussion. How high would you draft a punter? What if you thought you could be drafting the greatest punter of all time? What is that worth? A guy who can flip field position, kick well when needed, bring passion and energy, get you out of trouble by booming punts out of your own end, and consistently pin the other team deep for your defense to go to work could theoretically be a big reason you win a game or two a season. I might go as high as a low 1st rounder if I think I'm getting a once in a lifetime punter, as crazy as that sounds. I think that helps the team in an immediate and tangible way more than a guard there, for example. Edited January 12, 2022 by TheFunPolice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Einstein said: Hey Chris, it was a typo. The difference is 28 of 32 vs 28 of 34. Not 44. lol. And he only missed 1 field goal after week 7. I’m glad you did the typo it made for some good irony. You’re right not much difference. I think there are more factors to consider than the holder. That being said Bills need to find a punter that can punt and hold. Edited January 12, 2022 by chris heff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: Maybe a knock on Bojo? 100%. In the NFL the holders effect the kicks more so than the kickers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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