Packers QB Aaron Rodgers calls award voter 'a bum' following comments that he would not vote for Rodgers

[HOUSE]

 

Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers called NFL-award voter Hub Arkush a "bum" on Wednesday, a day after the longtime Chicago sportswriter said he would not vote for Rodgers as 2021 AP NFL Most Valuable Player based on the QB's character and off-field issues.

Along with calling Arkush a "bum," Rodgers added that he believed Arkush's issues with him are centered on his status of being unvaccinated.

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-calls-award-voter-a-bum-following-comments-that-he-woul

[DaggersEOD]

To some people, politics dominates every aspect of their lives, so even the “who’s good at football” question has to be seen through their political prism. 
 

Sad to see really.

[HOUSE]

[FLFan]

All the writer did was speak the truth about what he thinks of Rogers- that he is an arrogant selfish jerk.  He has been for a long time and that is not related to vaccination status, respite Rogers claim. He just is and keeps proving it.  There is a strong argument to be made there based on many factors.  I am sure he is not the only voter that feels that way, and not the only voter whose vote will be influenced by that, just the one dumb enough to say it out loud.  

[billsfan1959]

We all know that many voters of such awards allow their views on things other than on-field performance to influence their decisions - consciously or not. It's human nature. With that said, the MVP award should be based on the on-field performances of the candidates. IMO, If a voter openly states that he or she can't do that, then they should be excluded from voting.

 

3 minutes ago, FLFan said:

All the writer did was speak the truth about what he thinks of Rogers- that he is an arrogant selfish jerk.  He has been for a long time and that is not related to vaccination status, respite Rogers claim. He just is and keeps proving it.  There is a strong argument to be made there based on many factors.  I am sure he is not the only voter that feels that way, and not the only voter whose vote will be influenced by that, just the one dumb enough to say it out loud.  

 

First bolded: Irrelevant to MVP voting

Second bolded: Should exclude him from voting

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by billsfan1959

[HOUSE]

21 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

To some people, politics dominates every aspect of their lives, so even the “who’s good at football” question has to be seen through their political prism. 
 

Sad to see really.

 

I am not into the whole Covid thing, I avoid it

 

If you are the MVP of the entire league, refuse to be vaccinated, You are an idiot.

 

Some Green Bay players will never get another shot to win a Superbowl, not to mention playoff money. If Aaron Rogers becomes infected then entire season could be lost .. Its just plain selfish...

 

I have no choice but to vote for Josh Allen

 

 

 

..

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by HOUSE

[FLFan]

7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

We all know that many voters of such awards allow their views on things other than on-field performance to influence their decisions - consciously or not. It's human nature. With that said, the MVP award should be based on the on-field performances of the candidates. IMO, If a voter openly states that he or she can't do that, then they should be excluded from voting.

 

 

First bolded: Irrelevant to MVP voting

Second bolded: Should exclude him from voting

 

I agree it’s not relevant to MVP voting.  I never said it was , only that it would be considered.  That’s human nature.  This is not a science and there is certainly a popularity contest component to the vote.

[cwater10]

Aaron Rodgers was a massive disruption for his team long before any vaccine issues surfaced.  He held that franchise hostage until training camp.  The vaccine issue just continued the disruption.  Yes, he's a great football player, but also a significant headache and distraction for his team.  To me, that is fair game is considering his candidacy for MVP.

[transient]

In the matter of Rodgers versus Arkush… or is it Arkush vs Rodgers… I agree. 

[Dr. Who]

The minute Rodgers mouthed the words "woke mob" he lost votes. 

[HOUSE]

I didn't like him on Jeopardy either...

[BritBill]

MVP is Most Valuable Player. Not Most Valuable Person.

 

I think Rodgers is a tool as well but that just means I wouldn't want to have him over for tea. 

[Solomon Grundy]

Is he still feuding with his family?

[Gugny]

Hub isn't a bum.  But he is a wuss.  Should've stood by what he said ... because it was true.

[RobbRiddick]

I thought his reply was pretty funny. I like it when sportsmen speak what they really think. I've always hated Rodgers but this kind of makes me hate him less

[Dr. Who]

Just now, RobbRiddick said:

I thought his reply was pretty funny. I like it when sportsmen speak what they really think. I've always hated Rodgers but this kind of makes me hate him less

He's got a prickly personality. In general, I don't like his vibe, but he's brave and I respect that. 

[warrior9]

52 minutes ago, FLFan said:

All the writer did was speak the truth about what he thinks of Rogers- that he is an arrogant selfish jerk.  He has been for a long time and that is not related to vaccination status, respite Rogers claim. He just is and keeps proving it.  There is a strong argument to be made there based on many factors.  I am sure he is not the only voter that feels that way, and not the only voter whose vote will be influenced by that, just the one dumb enough to say it out loud.  

He did not speak the truth, he mentioned he put his organization, fans, etc in a bad spot.

He didn't miss a single game (outside of COVID but so did MANY other players), they are the 1 seed, he's done a LOT for the community, and his teammates love him. Not the mention, MANY players hold out. He is the best player in the league, has done a lot of winner over there and he wants a say in what happens for certain things and wants to feel wanted for by his organization. If Josh did this same thing in 10 years, none of us would be mad (if he had a similar career to Rodgers). 

 

 

So what's your point? 

31 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

The minute Rodgers mouthed the words "woke mob" he lost votes. 

This guy made comments over the summer as well. Now what?

Edited January 6, 2022 by warrior9

[Sherlock Holmes]

Well it's obvious that Josh Allen is MVP so this is all irrelevant... but Man Bun is correct, that voter should lose voting rights.

[Beerball]

50 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

First bolded: Irrelevant to MVP voting

 

So, disregard anything that didn’t happen “between the white lines?”

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, DaggersEOD said:

To some people, politics dominates every aspect of their lives, so even the “who’s good at football” question has to be seen through their political prism. 
 

Sad to see really.

It might be worth noting that a reporter could object to Rodgers misleading or lying to reporters about his vaccination status on moral grounds, which would not appear to be “political”.  This behavior has been considered unethical since the time of Moses, maybe before.
 

Rodgers also made  a medical choice that impacted his football availability.  A reporter could consider that un-MVP like behavior: “the best ability is availability.”

 

Then there’s the issue of a celebrity using his platform to promote medical advice instead of encouraging people to choose a qualified physician and follow their physician’s advice.  Some consider that immoral or unethical.

 

Only the second of these would be strictly football relevant.  But the others don’t appear political.  Not relevant to play on the field, but not political.

Some people make everything political  though. 

[Mr. WEO]

I can get with Rodgers calling a guy "a bum". lol

 

 

But, outside of AB, is there a more thirsty NFL player in the league right now than Aaron Rodgers?

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

I've felt that since the incident occurred that Rodgers MVP candidacy was in jeopardy. Out of 50 voters there are enough who hate his guts and will privately express it with their vote. It wouldn't take much to give it to Jonathan Taylor or even Brady.

[Dr. Who]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I've felt that since the incident occurred that Rodgers MVP candidacy was in jeopardy. Out of 50 voters there are enough who hate his guts and will privately express it with their vote. It wouldn't take much to give it to Jonathan Taylor or even Brady.

I guess there are still folks who watch the Academy Awards. Others write them off as a bunch of preening narcissists who collectively endorse the work of the like-minded. Anyway, a certain amount of subjectivity is allowed. There is a tilt point, however, after which merit wars with tribal allegiances and the whole thing becomes irrelevant except to those who are part of the clique. Objectively, I think Rodgers should get it as the success of the team is normally factored in.

[billsfan1959]

8 minutes ago, Beerball said:

So, disregard anything that didn’t happen “between the white lines?”

 

The MVP Award is about the most valuable player, as in who is the best player in the NFL and most valuable to his team. It is a subjective process, but last I looked, the critria are pretty much confined to the play on the field. His numbers, as well as the fact that the team is 13 -1 this year with him on the field and 0-1 without him, put him right at the top of that list. Until they change the nature of the award and intent, that is all that matters.

 

Aaron Rodgers might be a complete douche. It is irrelevant. IMHO, OJ Simpson is a murdering piece of s*** and should be in prison for the rest of his life. However, If you are going to ask me to vote on the best running back of all time, then he is in that discussion.

 

The NFL has awards that exemplify sportsmanship, community involvement, and other things that center around character and behavior. The MVP Award is not one of them. If the want it to be, then they should change the criteria.

[HamSandwhich]

Preach Aaron! You do you! 

[BuffaloRebound]

Well, if he wasn’t before Rodgers is definitely winning MVP now.    I think he deserves to win for his play on the field.  I also think he’s a flaming d-bag narcissist. One has nothing to do with the other.   

[Son of a K-Gun]

16 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I've felt that since the incident occurred that Rodgers MVP candidacy was in jeopardy. Out of 50 voters there are enough who hate his guts and will privately express it with their vote. It wouldn't take much to give it to Jonathan Taylor or even Brady.

I see what you did there 😉

 

I mentioned in the MVP thread that nobody holds a grudge like a sportswriter.  Back in the early 90's (so pre-PED's) Barry Bonds was far and away the best player in the National League.  The writers couldn't stand him (because he was a jerk) and gave the MVP to Terry Pendleton.  Rodgers lied to the media and played them for fools.  Now the media gets to vote for the MVP.  Hub isn't likely the only writer looking at Rodgers this way.

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“I can guarantee you I will not be the only one not voting for him,” Arkush said.

 

[CaptnCoke11]

Sports writers shouldn’t have any say whatsoever who wins the MVP award.  

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, FLFan said:

All the writer did was speak the truth about what he thinks of Rogers- that he is an arrogant selfish jerk.  He has been for a long time and that is not related to vaccination status, respite Rogers claim. He just is and keeps proving it.  There is a strong argument to be made there based on many factors.  I am sure he is not the only voter that feels that way, and not the only voter whose vote will be influenced by that, just the one dumb enough to say it out loud.  

All he did was likely get his right to vote for the MVP rescinded.  Dude said that he won’t vote for him because he thought he was a jerk….. and that has nothing to do with his play on the field.  This bum doesn’t deserve to have a vote.

[billsfan1959]

49 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Hub isn't a bum.  But he is a wuss.  Should've stood by what he said ... because it was true.

 

 

It might be true, but Arkush should never have said it. As a voter, he has an obligation to not talk about it.

 

He admitted that all voters are instructed to not talk about their vote prior to the announcement when he says, "But one of the ways we get to keep being voters is we're not allowed to say who we are voting for until after the award has been announced...What they really mean is just don't talk about it, and the reason, in part, is because of exactly what's happened here."

 

He also stated "Has he been the most valuable on the field? Yeah, you could make that argument, but I don't think he is clearly that much more valuable than..." When he says he doesn't think Rodgers is "that much more valuable," he is admitting he thinks Rodgers is more valuable. So by his own admission, he states he believes Rodgers was the most valuable player on the field - but, regardless, he is not going to vote for him because of criteria other than his performance on the field. 

 

By his own actions, it appears he feels he is above following established rules, obligations, and protocol. 

 

Which essentially makes him about as much of a douche as Rodgers.

[Kaep]

If Goodell had a set, Rodgers would have been suspended like AB and statistically would not be in the MVP discussion.  

[Malazan]

Aaron Rodgers doing his best to prove the guy was right. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

The MVP Award is about the most valuable player, as in who is the best player in the NFL and most valuable to his team. It is a subjective process, but last I looked, the critria are pretty much confined to the play on the field. His numbers, as well as the fact that the team is 13 -1 this year with him on the field and 0-1 without him, put him right at the top of that list. Until they change the nature of the award and intent, that is all that matters.

 

Aaron Rodgers might be a complete douche. It is irrelevant. IMHO, OJ Simpson is a murdering piece of s*** and should be in prison for the rest of his life. However, If you are going to ask me to vote on the best running back of all time, then he is in that discussion.

 

The NFL has awards that exemplify sportsmanship, community involvement, and other things that center around character and behavior. The MVP Award is not one of them. If the want it to be, then they should change the criteria.

 

I don’t disagree with the first sentence.

 

But the rest of it makes it seem as though you feel MVP is an award for being a prominent player on the team with the most wins.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Kaep said:

If Goodell had a set, Rodgers would have been suspended like AB and statistically would not be in the MVP discussion.  

 

For what?  He broke the protocols and got fined for it - maybe not as much as the various violations should have justified, but the punishment at that point was fines, not suspension.  He lied to or misled reporters about his vaccination status, but both the NFL and the team say he was honest with them and followed the protocols (with exceptions).

[Gugny]

6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

 

It might be true, but Arkush should never have said it. As a voter, he has an obligation to not talk about it.

 

He admitted that all voters are instructed to not talk about their vote prior to the announcement when he says, "But one of the ways we get to keep being voters is we're not allowed to say who we are voting for until after the award has been announced...What they really mean is just don't talk about it, and the reason, in part, is because of exactly what's happened here."

 

He also stated "Has he been the most valuable on the field? Yeah, you could make that argument, but I don't think he is clearly that much more valuable than..." When he says he doesn't think Rodgers is "that much more valuable," he is admitting he thinks Rodgers is more valuable. So by his own admission, he states he believes Rodgers was the most valuable player on the field - but, regardless, he is not going to vote for him because of criteria other than his performance on the field. 

 

By his own actions, it appears he feels he is above following established rules, obligations, and protocol. 

 

Which essentially makes him about as much of a douche as Rodgers.

 

I agree that he was out of bounds by discussing his vote.  He should have apologized for that.  But his groveling to Rodgers was nothing short of pathetic, IMO.

 

[Big Turk]

I can't disagree with his take on Rodgers as a person...dude is a self centered human being who cares only about himself and holds petty grudges for life.

 

Edited January 6, 2022 by Big Turk

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

All he did was likely get his right to vote for the MVP rescinded.  Dude said that he won’t vote for him because he thought he was a jerk….. and that has nothing to do with his play on the field.  This bum doesn’t deserve to have a vote.

 

HOF voters kept TO out initially.  They lose their votes too?

 

Pete Rose still isn't in for his play on the field.  MLB voters need to go as well.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Is he still feuding with his family?

 

Yes

[billsfan1959]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don’t disagree with the first sentence.

 

But the rest of it makes it seem as though MVP is an award for being a prominent player on the team with the most wins.

 

I think it essentially is an award for being the best player on one of one of the top teams. I personally think it should be the player that is most valuable to his team - and part of that would have to revolve around winning. However, any way that we try to define it, it always revolves around play on the field, and that has been my primary point. 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said:

I thought his reply was pretty funny. I like it when sportsmen speak what they really think. I've always hated Rodgers but this kind of makes me hate him less

There is a certain irony in giving Rodgers credit for speaking his mind given he tried to pretend to be vaccinated.

[RobbRiddick]

Just now, Warcodered said:

There is a certain irony in giving Rodgers credit for speaking his mind given he tried to pretend to be vaccinated.

I didn't know this, I rarely read anything about the guy.

 

Case closed, I full-on hate him again