Turbo44 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: We have the luxury of slow motion replay. The ref does not. So he either didn't see that, or the NFL is rigged. The latter being conspiracy garbage IMO. It’s good to be able to overcome refs during games but if you don’t think they had an affect on today’s game not sure what to tell you. Calls tend to even out but not tonight - they were way out of wack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieBill Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, SUNTANBILLS FAN said: Did you not see they were mugging him stop saying crazy maybe you would like Zay Jones back By your rationale, and that of the "blame the refs" crowd, the Bills could not have won this game given referee incompetence. Ok then. I think better coaching decisions and better play by the players at crucial moments was more important to the outcome than "the refs." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Groin said: It was definitely PI/holding (will look again later when I'm less pissed), but again, you can't rely on terrible officiating to be consistent. You need to win handily, so when ***** like this hits the fan, you'll still win a ballgame. This went far beyond consistent vs inconsistent…they were consistently calling PIs for one team only. You need to beat the defending super bowl champions on the road by more than enough to overcome a half dozen blown pi/non pi calls is just ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Hopefully Allen’s ankle can heal quick. He is the team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Coaching counts! (Davis needs to be on the field! (Vs Sanders) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, KOKBILLS said: Josh was so GD close to scoring on that play down the sidelines. I mean...Look at how close it was. And he turns it up and dives to the pylon...that's how close this was... Felt like the end of the Tenn game where he's a couple inches short on that 3rd Down scramble...The Bills quite literally lost both games by inches... I still think it was possible he didn't step out. The one angle they showed from the side was terrible - the only way to know for sure is to look down the line and unfortunately they didn't have that shot edit: or at least didn't show it DANGDANGDANG - another play of inches that would have been the difference - another unbelievable effort/gut play by Josh that will just be forgotten Edited December 13, 2021 by stevewin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Groin said: It was definitely PI/holding (will look again later when I'm less pissed), but again, you can't rely on terrible officiating to be consistent. You need to win handily, so when ***** like this hits the fan, you'll still win a ballgame. I’m not disputing that portion of it. @Gene1973 just did a complete 180 on his interpretation of what happened and is pretending like he’s some savant. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, KOKBILLS said: In retrospect the Bills kept a lot of guys they should have moved on from this past off season... It's always best to be a year early than a year late... The Bills went 13-3 last year; they were not going to make a whole lot of changes to the roster. Continuity is important in football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: The WR was playing the odds. Just like when the Chiefs DB's were mauling Bills WR's last season. They got away with it enough times. So you're simultaneously arguing that the officiating wasn't a problem but also that the Bucs and Chiefs use them to their advantage. 6 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: I have seen a lot of games get ruined at the end. Only way to make sure that can't happen is to be up multiple scores. And now you're simultaneously arguing that the officiating didn't affect the outcome but also that we need to score extra points to beat them. Are you on drugs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, KOKBILLS said: In retrospect the Bills kept a lot of guys they should have moved on from this past off season... It's always best to be a year early than a year late... Cap wise I dont know who they bring in thats better. Sure if we knew Spencer Brown would be a guy, Williams and Felciano is redundant. Thats complete revisionist history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Gene1973 said: We have the luxury of slow motion replay. The ref does not. So he either didn't see that, or the NFL is rigged. The latter being conspiracy garbage IMO. I de bunked the whole "conspiracy theory" thing last week and why those that always revert back to that term are simply brainwashed and have little to no understanding as to how much conspiracies actually happen, and how many people and businesses have been found guilty of it. The NFL has also said in a legal document that they are entertainment. After watching this type of game, once again...I know what side I come down on. Believe what you wish, though. Most like you are unwilling to challenge your own belief system due to cognitive dissonance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Last play of the game. Looking at the coverage, seems like They were playing man, and so Levi blew it by now following his guy across the field. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLS FAN Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, BernieBill said: By your rationale, and that of the "blame the refs" crowd, the Bills could not have won this game given referee incompetence. Ok then. I think better coaching decisions and better play by the players at crucial moments was more important to the outcome than "the refs." The refs cost us you don’t see that? No call at end of regulation the blatant rip diggs jersey off hold earlier. The no call in OT then to call Wallace when evens is doing pi! Common man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said: This went far beyond consistent vs inconsistent…they were consistently calling PIs for one team only. You need to beat the defending super bowl champions on the road by more than enough to overcome a half dozen blown pi/non pi calls is just ridiculous. True, but to do so, our team also needed to show up in the first half. So you have the variable of officiating in the mix, and has been proven time and time again in the modern NFL, you cannot rely on consistent officiating. You've got to win ballgames, or you're *****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Maine-iac said: Just watched Quinn turn the corner and drop Rogers. When was the last time a Bill's DE just beat his man, turned the corner and dropped the QB. It’s been 3 years or so, it’s terrible if we don’t blitz the QB has all day. Think how great poyer and hide could be if they had a QB rushing a play because of pressure. Both our lines are so bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 So whats the thoughts on kicking the fg to force ot today but going for it against Tennessee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said: I’m not disputing that portion of it. @Gene1973 just did a complete 180 on his interpretation of what happened and is pretending like he’s some savant. Ah, okay, so we are simpatico here. Excellent! 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLS FAN Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Groin said: True, but to do so, our team also needed to show up in the first half. So you have the variable of officiating in the mix, and has been proven time and time again in the modern NFL, you cannot rely on consistent officiating. You've got to win ballgames, or you're *****. But many drives in the first half are different if the calls are correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Is there an explanation for why our star WR came out of the game multiple times on the final drive in regulation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said: So whats the thoughts on kicking the fg to force ot today but going for it against Tennessee? Totally fine with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Dick_Cheney said: Those calls genuinely screwed us. We deserved that one. Those CBs were all over Diggs and not one call....terrible. I had buddies who aren't even bills fans blowing up my phone on what terrible non calls for pi on Diggs multiple times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLS FAN Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said: So whats the thoughts on kicking the fg to force ot today but going for it against Tennessee? I wanted the field goal in Tennessee. Even if we get the first it did t mean a td all it did was assure a loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, Governor said: I love how folks are fixated on a few bad calls but not the huge TD pass to win the game. Lol. The Bills defense is prone to give up big plays like that. I don’t know why it keeps happening. They were selling out to stop a first down and had a terrible match with a MLB on a WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 My other point I've beaten like a dead horse to no avail .................. in wins Singletary 73 carries and 327 yards. Losses Singletary 35 carries and 168 yards. The more carries Singletary gets the better chance we have of winning. Not because we are a great running team but because running the ball opens up the passing game more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieBill Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 It's fine Sun Tan, we can agree to disagree on it ... just score a TD at the end of regulation and win the game, that's my solution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, SUNTANBILLS FAN said: But many drives in the first half are different if the calls are correct So the Bills got 3 points out of the first half because officiating was bad? Tom Brady ran around our D in the first half because officiating was bad? Was I watching a different game? Our team sucked in the first half. Edited December 13, 2021 by Groin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Process said: Is there an explanation for why our star WR came out of the game multiple times on the final drive in regulation? My theory is that he's got some kind of injury. Maybe lingering quad? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Process said: Is there an explanation for why our star WR came out of the game multiple times on the final drive in regulation? Maybe he was exhausted. As a fan I was exhausted. But ultimately it is par for the course for this 2021 squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLS FAN Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Why did we get rid of John brown he was a deep threat we are lacking now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Process said: Is there an explanation for why our star WR came out of the game multiple times on the final drive in regulation? nantz said he was gimping🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLS FAN Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 On a negative note I knew Daboll was gonna come out in ot and run on first down lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, SUNTANBILLS FAN said: Why did we get rid of John brown he was a deep threat we are lacking now I think that you forget about John Brown of 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernieBill Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, BernieBill said: Blame the refs for McDermott weakly kicking a 21-yd FG ... blame the refs for the Bills scoring 3 first half points ... blame the refs for McDermott punting w/ 2 mins to go in the 3rd quarter ... c'mon man. It's funny to me how many eyerolls this comment has attracted ... I guess "blame the refs" is really what a lot of Bills fans think after this loss. I appreciate the feedback 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Bob in STL said: The Bills defense is prone to give up big plays like that. I don’t know why it keeps happening. They were selling out to stop a first down and had a terrible match with a MLB on a WR. Maybe they thought the line would get to Brady quick enough but I'm not sure what would have given them that idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Also on the long incomplete pass where Diggs was held I think he scores a TD if instead of complaining and throwing his hands up he just tracks the ball. Allen threw it within a couple of feet and Diggs seemed surprised it was that close. As it happened live I said to my son why did he stop? It was an unbelievable throw by Josh under pressure 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, BernieBill said: By your rationale, and that of the "blame the refs" crowd, the Bills could not have won this game given referee incompetence. Ok then. I think better coaching decisions and better play by the players at crucial moments was more important to the outcome than "the refs." The thing is the playing field in that game was clearly uneven…buccaneers dbs were objectively getting away with more holding than we were…so that makes it more difficult to get better play in the crucial moments. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Just now, Maine-iac said: My other point I've beaten like a dead horse to no avail .................. in wins Singletary 73 carries and 327 yards. Losses Singletary 35 carries and 168 yards. The more carries Singletary gets the better chance we have of winning. Not because we are a great running team but because running the ball opens up the passing game more. yes and no. This is really misleading. By the Bills Totally abandoning the run today in the first half, it really opened up the wide zone runs in the second half. Bucs defense was 100% playing the pass. If we had come out more balanced, DS wouldn’t have had nearly the same success. i think what they did today— pass like 80% of the time and run to keep the rushers honest— is the right formula going forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Process said: Is there an explanation for why our star WR came out of the game multiple times on the final drive in regulation? I was wondering that too. Why was he on the sidelines so much at the end of the game ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: So whats the thoughts on kicking the fg to force ot today but going for it against Tennessee? Logical - against Tennessee our defence was constantly being shredded so we might as well try and win on offense in normal time. Tonight, the defense seemingly had the Bucs number so was less of a gamble. Of course, we had the dubious call on offense, plus a couple of poor plays, and then Edmunds… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Groin said: So the Bills got 3 points out of the first half because officiating was bad? Tom Brady ran around or D in the first half because officiating was bad? Was I watching a different game? Our team sucked in the first half. Yes we should have had a first down on the 20 yard line if PI is called, field goal at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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