Bills @ Bucs talk

[Paul Costa]

Glad to see your OK YOLO. Sorry for your loss.  

[Steptide]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Should say "Next loss : Tampa Bay"

 

Prove me wrong Buffalo, prove me wrong please

[Paul Costa]

That’s the “ Bills Mafia” spirit !! Way to support the team!! 👏👏👏👏👏

[Success]

EVERYONE is going to write this team off if we lose tomorrow.  Most already are based on losing to NE.

 

In a way, that feels better than everyone picking us for the SB. 

 

I expect the Bills to play one of their best games tomorrow. 

 

[Nextmanup]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

EVERYONE is going to write this team off if we lose tomorrow.  Most already are based on losing to NE.

 

In a way, that feels better than everyone picking us for the SB. 

 

I expect the Bills to play one of their best games tomorrow. 

 

Can we quote you on that?  I want to believe your theory here, 100%!  

 

I have us winning in the game score prediction thread; this fanbase is always 1 game late/behind with where they are with the team.

 

Watch--we win in Tampa, and then it will look totally different here next week, everyone predicting we run the table, we will win the re-match in Foxboro, etc....

 

😄

 

At least that's my hope! 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

I'd love to see a bend but don't break defense show up on Sunday. Hold them to under 25.

I would take that!  We win 34-25.  Or something.  

[Mat68]

36 minutes ago, Paul Costa said:

That’s the “ Bills Mafia” spirit !! Way to support the team!! 👏👏👏👏👏

Never seen so many fans write the obituary for the team they follow 1 game out of first place.    

[Nextmanup]

7 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Never seen so many fans write the obituary for the team they follow 1 game out of first place.    

How do you explain it?

 

 

[Mat68]

15 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

How do you explain it?

 

 

Explain the Bills or the fans?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

[BillsFan619]

41 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Never seen so many fans write the obituary for the team they follow 1 game out of first place.    

I definitely see why fans are down. That said, I agree. Not saying they will but this team definitely has the talent and experience to turn this thing around. Even if they make it in as a WC team, they can be very dangerous come playoff time.

[Mat68]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:

I definitely see why fans are down. That said, I agree. Not saying they will but this team definitely has the talent and experience to turn this thing around. Even if they make it in as a WC team, they can be very dangerous come playoff time.

Agreed.  With Allen at qb he could go scorched earth for about a 5 to 6 game stretch and carry the team on his back.  I believe thats how Buffalo wins it all.  Is it this year or down the road? Idk, but believe it will happen.   

[dave mcbride]

Football Outsiders eviscerates the Bills: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2021/buffalo-bills-vs-chumpzilla 

@BADOLBILZ, check it out, especially the comment about McKenzie.

 

”And if you (understandably) hate silly metaphors and crotchety columnist wisdom: the Bills rank 28th in late-and-close DVOA on offense and 26th on defense.”

 

”She's punishing the Bills for their lack of creativity, precision, and ferocity. If there's any such thing as an "it factor," some combination of intangibles that converts into an extra dozen yards or so in a close game, the Bills lack it. That deficiency keeps roaring to life and making the Bills' DVOA and reputation look like a cardboard skyscraper.”

Edited December 11, 2021 by dave mcbride

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Football Outsiders eviscerates the Bills: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2021/buffalo-bills-vs-chumpzilla 

@BADOLBILZ, check it out.

 

”And if you (understandably) hate silly metaphors and crotchety columnist wisdom: the Bills rank 28th in late-and-close DVOA on offense and 26th on defense.”

Yea, kinda dumb story telling there but it's not wrong. 

 

The one thing I am not sure about (and really no way of knowing) is when they mention deactivating McK leading to no options for the end around or screen game. I think they may have had ideas to run some of that with Breida doing some jet sweeps stuff (he ran some of the in the Green Bay preseason game) and some screens to Sanders.

 

Those plans (if they had them) died when Breida fumbled and Sanders got obliterated on the 1st or 2nd play of their opening drive on a screen. 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Yea, kinda dumb story telling there but it's not wrong. 

 

The one thing I am not sure about (and really no way of knowing) is when they mention deactivating McK leading to no options for the end around or screen game. I think they may have had ideas to run some of that with Breida doing some jet sweeps stuff (he ran some of the in the Green Bay preseason game) and some screens to Sanders.

 

Those plans (if they had them) died when Breida fumbled and Sanders got obliterated on the 1st or 2nd play of their opening drive on a screen. 

Well, the common thread with breida and mackenzie is immediate trips to the doghouse after fumbling, which is really short-sighted.

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Football Outsiders eviscerates the Bills: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2021/buffalo-bills-vs-chumpzilla 

@BADOLBILZ, check it out, especially the comment about McKenzie.

 

”And if you (understandably) hate silly metaphors and crotchety columnist wisdom: the Bills rank 28th in late-and-close DVOA on offense and 26th on defense.”

 

”She's punishing the Bills for their lack of creativity, precision, and ferocity. If there's any such thing as an "it factor," some combination of intangibles that converts into an extra dozen yards or so in a close game, the Bills lack it. That deficiency keeps roaring to life and making the Bills' DVOA and reputation look like a cardboard skyscraper.”

Silly article imo.

 

There’s little reason to be as down on the Bills as that article reads unless you’re trying too hard to make a point. 
 

7-5 is the absolute worst record this team could have at this point in the season. It’s a season of thin margins and we have been on the wrong side thus far. 

[Wyobills89]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Well, the common thread with breida and mackenzie is immediate trips to the doghouse after fumbling, which is really short-sighted.

One thing I've noticed especially last game, is that the I swear mcd is a little overly aggressive about fumbling. Seems like moss just secures the ball and is more worried about fumbling then actually trying to run. I remember last year when he got benched in the San Fran game. I know t/os are important but I almost feel mcd over stresses it.

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Well, the common thread with breida and mackenzie is immediate trips to the doghouse after fumbling, which is really short-sighted.

Yes and no. If it's just the fumbles we see on game days then yea...likely overthinking and an over reaction.

 

If the coaches are seeing them fumble all through the week in practice and it shows up in games then it'a 100% the correct call to get those players out of the lineup.

[dave mcbride]

12 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Yes and no. If it's just the fumbles we see on game days then yea...likely overthinking and an over reaction.

 

If the coaches are seeing them fumble all through the week in practice and it shows up in games then it'a 100% the correct call to get those players out of the lineup.

Re funbles in practice, they’re not hitting much, particularly at this time of the season, so I would be surprised if players are fumbling much there.

[Success]

14 minutes ago, Wyobills89 said:

One thing I've noticed especially last game, is that the I swear mcd is a little overly aggressive about fumbling. Seems like moss just secures the ball and is more worried about fumbling then actually trying to run. I remember last year when he got benched in the San Fran game. I know t/os are important but I almost feel mcd over stresses it.

 

I thought the same thing after the game.  And I get it - before the game, knowing what the conditions would be, I thought the turnovers would decide it. If I was coach, I would have harped on that also.

 

But you can see the extra caution.  And it probably cost us.

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

23 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Re funbles in practice, they’re not hitting much, particularly at this time of the season, so I would be surprised if players are fumbling much there.

Agree, but they have to consider everything they see all the way back to camp. Also when you look at someone like McKenzie, I'm sure he fields punts every practice. If he muffing a lot there? A lot to consider that we just have no way of knowing.

 

I will say that as far as fumbles...McKenzie has had issues. Breida has had issues. Singletary has had issues. Either these guys are not coachable or do not have the ability to improve or coaches aren't working enough on ball security with them IMO.

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Well, the common thread with breida and mackenzie is immediate trips to the doghouse after fumbling, which is really short-sighted.

This topic came up on the radio during the week.  It was suggested that the old fashioned NFL coaching rule of "benching" a player if he fumbles is just idiotic, and treats the player almost like a child.

As though the player just wasn't thinking clearly enough or trying hard enough not to fumble.

 

I mean, stuff happens...and these guys all know fumbles = BAD.

 

So then why are you benching the guy?  More mediocre coaching.

 

 

[Process]

The wind in Buffalo today makes MNF seem like a light breeze. 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Silly article imo.

 

There’s little reason to be as down on the Bills as that article reads unless you’re trying too hard to make a point. 
 

7-5 is the absolute worst record this team could have at this point in the season. It’s a season of thin margins and we have been on the wrong side thus far. 

Totally disagree. This team was by everyone’s estimation a SB contender. They have gone 3-4 in their last seven games and in the process have lost to their archrival because they were outcoached, got blown out at home by a team they beat in the playoffs last year, and lost to the worst franchise in the league over the last decade because their vaunted offense couldn’t score a TD.

Edited December 11, 2021 by dave mcbride

[GoBills808]

54 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Totally disagree. This team was by everyone’s estimation a SB contender. They have gone 3-4 in their last seven games and in the process have lost to their archrival because they were outcoached, got blown out at home by a team they beat in the playoffs last year, and lost to the worst franchise in the league over the last decade because their vaunted offense couldn’t score a TD.

 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

 

There is an alternative universe where they are 10-2, but since all of the advanced stats (not just FO) show that the Bills have performed poorly late  in close games on both sides of the ball, they are a rightful 7-5 in the universe we actually live in.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

There is an alternative universe where they are 10-2, but since all of the advanced stats (not just FO) show that the Bills have performed poorly late  in close games on both sides of the ball, they are a rightful 7-5 in the universe we actually live in.

Performance (however you want to define that) late in close games is such a strange method of quantifying a team’s quality. Why not early, or in the middle?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Guess no go on Antonio Williams. Kind of a let down. The RB room could really use a shakeup and it’s obviously not in the cards now. Moss is useless. Hopefully it’s 26/22 tomorrow now because I don’t even want to see Moss with a helmet again this season 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Success]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

There is an alternative universe where they are 10-2, but since all of the advanced stats (not just FO) show that the Bills have performed poorly late  in close games on both sides of the ball, they are a rightful 7-5 in the universe we actually live in.

 

Who knows.  It might now be a universe that serves us better in the playoffs.

 

Psychology is such a big part of the game.  Maybe after winning for close to 3 months straight last year gave the team too much confidence, if that's possible.  They have to scrape & claw their way now, the rest of the way - could be a benefit.

 

It definitely felt at times earlier in the season that they were just waiting for their coronation.  There are no illusions about that now.

 

[njbuff]

43 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Are they talking about this season when they say "Heading south"? 😂

[HamSandwhich]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Yolo!!!!!

[Toyo321]

9 hours ago, NewEra said:

Who IS a good team right now?  New England?  The team that only beat us because we made more stupid mistakes than they did?  If they are the best team in the afc and they barely beat us in a weather dominated game, how does that make us “not good”?

 

 It was a super close game……why do you use the word spanked?  They had 11 more yards.  They had 8 less first downs (80% less than we did).  Their FG kicker was better (when in actuality, they are both pretty much equal) and they didn’t fumble while in scoring position (probably because they were only in the red zone 1 time).  
 

You’re overreacting.  Big time.  We are all disappointed in the the season we’ve had, but don’t make it more than it is. 

Did you actual watch how bad our linebackers got pushed off the ball and did not maintain their gap integrity, they were making poor reads at the line of scrimmage.  They also could not shed blockers either.   Our linebackers could not stop a handicapped person on crutches from gaining positive yards on a running play that night.  If the Patriots actually would have thrown the ball the score would have been worse.  Bad weather or no weather, our team got embarrassed by the Patriots.  Run play after run play and Buffalo was still playing variations of a stacked nickle D with up to 10 players at the line of scrimmage.   Our coaches are a embarrassment on both sides of the ball.  My friends and I have watched the Bills for 45 years now and I mean since the 70's and I have never seen as such a bad display of coaching.  The level of incompetent play calling with our OC is killing this team.  They are not making adjustments during a game.   What did they do at halftime to change the offensive or defensive approach for the second half.  Nothing!!!   MCD is joke when it comes to coaching in critical games.  This has come to the forefront as a major problem this year and I am not the only one on this forum to see this.  He made one adjustment in the 4th quarter where Milano ran twice up the middle behind the pulling guard and Milano made two stops.  Sorry, to little to late.  He should have sat Jerry Hughes.  This guy contributes nothing to our D line anymore.  He had 1 tackle, no stops or pressures in this game.

 

Meathead Daboll definitely is not off the hook either.  This guy is absolute garbage, like said in other post, if it was not for Allen being

able to improvise this year when plays have been blown up at the line of scrimmage this team would have a losing record right now.

 

Our Receivers kept running go patterns all night, no crossing, hook patterns, or slant patterns.  Nothing to generate any offense.  I even saw Diggs and Sanders just standing still 2 yards apart from one another while Josh was looking for someone to throw it to.

 

Then we run our RB's up the middle the majority of the night.  They have zero chance at getting yards because our backs are to slow and can not bounce the run to the outside because they have no speed at all.  They are to slow getting to the line of scrimmage once they get there its a 1 to 2 yard gain 90% of the time.  Same SLOW ass runs all the time !  MCD gave up on Bredia in this game after he fumbled.  Same thing he did to McKensie a few games ago.  

 

Singletary had only one good run the entire game.  A 16 yarder in the 4th quarter.  That is not good enough.

 

Then stupid offensive penalties in the Redzone,  at the end of the game.

 

Just typing this stuff gets me so aggravated because I just don't know how these coaches don't see this on the game film, and in all the game time photos.

 

Coaches coach, players play,  but our players are playing and not being coached as well as they should be.

 

I am hoping that I am wrong about this weekend but I just don't see Buffalo changing their game plan at all this weekend against TB.  This team sorely needs to change up the play calling this weekend.

Edited December 12, 2021 by Toyo321

[Governor]

6 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Never seen so many fans write the obituary for the team they follow 1 game out of first place.    

We haven’t hit bottom yet. This gets much worse. That will become reality for the few hanging onto blind faith tomorrow evening. The wheels came off this teams a month ago.

[Bimmer323i]

I’m still so disgusted over the Patriots game I’m having trouble trying get hyped up for the game tomorrow…I don’t know if I can handle getting my heart ripped out twice in the same week…. 

1 hour ago, Governor said:

We haven’t hit bottom yet. This gets much worse. That will become reality for the few hanging onto blind faith tomorrow evening. The wheels came off this teams a month ago.

I have 0 confidence that Brian Dabol will put a game plan together to beat the bucs tomorrow… That’s why I’m having trouble getting up for this game

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

While I don't really think we have a chance here, for some reason I'll be watching and screaming go bills 😭

Edited December 12, 2021 by Kenosha2Buffalo

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

I don't think everyone is saying NE is the best team in the league...but I do think the Bills are better than them! 

The rematch in Foxboro, given reasonably normal weather, should be epic.

 

If it's s snowstorm or blizzard or crazy wind, forget it.

 

 

You just have to concede Tampa's 30+ points and count on scoring more if you want to win this game.

 

If we aren't scoring in the 30s or higher, we lose.

 

 

I expect another close game in Foxboro.  The Bills wont be able to heavily stack the box and ONLY play the run during good weather.

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Been MIA, had a death in the family. Not even sure what’s happened this week. Other than it’s Brady tomorrow. Go Bills. 
 

 

Sorry for your loss Yolo =(

 

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Performance (however you want to define that) late in close games is such a strange method of quantifying a team’s quality. Why not early, or in the middle?

The fact is the Bills are 7-5 and not in some alternate universe.  Its a let down no matter how you look at it.

5 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Guess no go on Antonio Williams. Kind of a let down. The RB room could really use a shakeup and it’s obviously not in the cards now. Moss is useless. Hopefully it’s 26/22 tomorrow now because I don’t even want to see Moss with a helmet again this season 

 

Unfortunately you will.  He doesnt fumble.  He doesnt get any yards but hey... he doesnt fumble.  1st and goal and wasted down baby!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

[sven233]

I'm amped up like I am for every game but man, it's definitely harder to get overly excited about a potential win tomorrow with how we have been playing the last couple months.  I was really hyped about this game early in the season and couldn't wait to get a crack at this team, but we have so many self-inflicted issues on this team right now that it's hard seeing us getting it all together so quickly to be able to beat a very talented Bucs team.  There used to be a time where I believe this coaching staff was getting the absolute best out of everyone on our roster and now I think the coaching staff is holding this roster back in a lot of ways.  We've had big games here and there since the Chiefs game and have come up short in these big spots ever since.  I'll need to see before I can believe we can win a huge game against a good team.  Do I think we can beat the Bucs if we bring our "A" game?  Absolutely.  But we haven't played to that level against a good team for a very long time.  Here's hoping we can find it somehow over the next few weeks.

Edited December 12, 2021 by sven233

[Jeffbigalls]

Brady as a buc vs AFC teams 7-1  average 33.5 ppg 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Jeffbigalls