Logic Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 33 minutes ago, finn said: Help me out here. What's up with the pessimism? We finally have everyone back on the offensive line, and pretty much everyone is healthy. White being out is big, but he isn't the only reason the defense has been one of the best in the league. Yet people are full of doom and gloom. Why? The Pats game was a complete anomaly because of the weather; against the Colts, we were down Star, Edwards, Mongo and Brown. We lost to the Jags, but the Bucs lost to Washington; stuff happens. The Bills are pissed and hungry. I'm totally looking forward to this game. It's going to be a real shootout that will show a changing of the guard from Brady to Allen. I'm usually a relentless optimist, but this matchup -- on paper -- is not great. In terms of the war in the trenches, where games are decided, I see Tampa Bay as having the edge on both the offensive and defensive lines. Linebackers? Edge goes to Tampa. Secondary? Given the lack of Tre White (which I think Brady will absolutely exploit), I'd have to say Tampa again. Their offense vs our defense? I'm not so confident that a Wallace/Jackson cornerback pairing will be particularly effective limiting a passing attack featuring Evans, Godwin, and Gronk. Leonard Fournette vs this rush defense? I have an irrational feeling that despite everything I just laid out, the Bills will play well this Sunday. It won't surprise me if they win. It also won't surprise me if they lose 38-16. Based on the specific matchups and with the way the team has played lately (and I didn't even MENTION Brady's decades-long ownership of the Bills), it's easy to me to see why Bills fans would be pessimistic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: I like your optimism but the Pats** game set me back with my expectations to 2018 levels. After each of the games against Colts, Jags and Pats** game, we came up with different excuses. Losers make excuses, winners just win. We are looking more like the former than the latter I'm unfortunately in the same boat and will need to see it to believe it at this point. That Pats loss might have been one of the biggest blows to fans psyche i've ever witnessed. It can be turned around by this team either beating Tampa Bay, or finishing strong after Sunday, but man.. Edited December 9, 2021 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 minute ago, SCBills said: I'm unfortunately in the same boat and will need to see it to believe it at this point. That Pats loss might have been one of the biggest blows to fans psyche i've ever witnessed. It can be turned around by this team either beating Tampa Bay, or finishing strong after Sunday, but man.. Agreed. Even after everything else they've gone through this year, if the Bills had won on Monday night (and make no mistake, they SHOULD HAVE), they'd be 8-4, leading the division, and with a pretty realistic shot at the top seed in the AFC. Instead, they lost a very winnable game, in a very classic, Bills-like "stealing defeat from the jaws of victory" fashion, and in so doing, showed their lack of adaptability and creativity on offense -- a critical problem considering that we face the Bucs and Pats (two good defenses) in two of our next three games. With just that Monday night loss, Bills fans went from "we could still get the top seed!" to "are we even going to make the playoffs?". Many went from "we overcame adversity, we can still do this!" to "I'm questioning everything about this team right now". It was a huge, monumental, crushing loss. People can brush it off and say "it was just one loss, no big deal", and I understand that as a coping mechanism, but...holy hell, that was a bad and demoralizing loss. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said: I like your optimism but the Pats** game set me back with my expectations to 2018 levels. After each of the games against Colts, Jags and Pats** game, we came up with different excuses. Losers make excuses, winners just win. We are looking more like the former than the latter 50 MPH winds is a pretty good excuse though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: 50 MPH winds is a pretty good excuse though. While it is an excuse, it also shows the problem with being a pass happy offense with little running game. It works against bad teams but so far against good teams they have failed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said: While it is an excuse, it also shows the problem with being a pass happy offense with little running game. It works against bad teams but so far against good teams they have failed. Either Pegula is going to have to build a dome or Beane is going to have to build an OL and find a decent RB. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Does anyone have any sense of the injury situation for Tampa's secondary? I know Edwards is down for faking his covid vaccination. Isn't it funny how Tommy leaves New England and goes to Tampa Bay and the cheating follows him? 2 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said: Sherman had been an absolute liability out there before getting hurt. Kinda happy he's back. Allen had no trouble with him last time they faced off. If he plays, do what Bill Bellyache did. work on him. Throw his way a lot. Put Diggs on his side of the field. Take advantage. Edited December 9, 2021 by reddogblitz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 53 minutes ago, SCBills said: I'm unfortunately in the same boat and will need to see it to believe it at this point. That Pats loss might have been one of the biggest blows to fans psyche i've ever witnessed. It can be turned around by this team either beating Tampa Bay, or finishing strong after Sunday, but man.. Hang in there! We may easily lose in Tampa, but I think we run the table thereafter, assuming "normal" cold weather in Foxborough; we're the better team. On a normal day when we can do whatever we want (and so can NE) we are the better team. Keep in mind losing in Tampa doesn't really impact our playoff odds at all; a win there would be nice, but it's not necessary. I think a lot of fans don't get that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Keep in mind losing in Tampa doesn't really impact our playoff odds at all; a win there would be nice, but it's not necessary. I think a lot of fans don't get that. Somewhat true, but not entirely. While a LOSS to TB only drops the Bills playoff odds from 72% to 62%, a WIN against TB raises the Bills playoff odds from 72% to 92%, per Fivethirtyeight.com It's a big game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Hang in there! We may easily lose in Tampa, but I think we run the table thereafter, assuming "normal" cold weather in Foxborough; we're the better team. On a normal day when we can do whatever we want (and so can NE) we are the better team. Keep in mind losing in Tampa doesn't really impact our playoff odds at all; a win there would be nice, but it's not necessary. I think a lot of fans don't get that. I see it the same way. Look at the remaining schedule at Tampa Bay Carolina at New England Atlanta Jets The 3 home games should be wins. There is no excuse to lose any of them. They can't lay another egg like they did vs the Jags. They lose any one of these 3 then they won't make it IMHO. Can they find a way to go at least 1-1 vs NE and Tampa? If they lose both will 10 wins be enough assuming they beat the scrubs? Edited December 9, 2021 by Greg S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, Greg S said: Either Pegula is going to have to build a dome or Beane is going to have to build an OL and find a decent RB. Spot on. I am a big-time domer. But it is only because our team is constructed for good weather. I am all for the elements if we can use it to our advantage. I also don't see why we can't have a retractable roof too as an option-- what an advantage that would be. We open the roof when it suits our team and matchup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Logic said: Somewhat true, but not entirely. While a LOSS to TB only drops the Bills playoff odds from 72% to 62%, a WIN against TB raises the Bills playoff odds from 72% to 92%, per Fivethirtyeight.com It's a big game. Nah....we are heading down the path of wild card berth. Gotta get used to that. We have a 89%-90% chance of playoffs even with losses in Tampa and NE. Not sure where you are getting your percentages. I'm using the NY Times simulator and the ESPN simulators. 2 minutes ago, Greg S said: I see it the same way. Look at remaining schedule at Tampa Bay Carolina at New England Atlanta Jets The 3 home games should be wins. There is no excuse to lose any of them. They can't lay another egg like they did vs the Jags. They lose any one of these 3 then they won't make it IMHO. Can they find a way to go at least 1-1 vs NE and Tampa? If they lose both will 10 wins be enough assuming they beat the scrubs? It will probably come down to our ability to take care of business and beat up on the 3 "easy" games. If we lose 1 or more of those, we won't make the playoffs and THAT'S when this place SHOULD go off the rails! But that is a long way from happening now. For the most part, we have beaten up on bad teams this year and I think we win those 3 going away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Just now, Nextmanup said: Nah....we are heading down the path of wild card berth. Gotta get used to that. We have a 89%-90% chance of playoffs even with losses in Tampa and NE. Not sure where you are getting your percentages. I'm using the NY Times simulator and the ESPN simulators. Respectfully, my post had nothing to do with the "wild card vs division champs" discussion. I also listed exactly where I got my results: Fivethirtyeight.com. When you're 7-5 and currently holding the 7th and final spot in the playoffs, every game is a big game. The point is that, while the Bucs game isn't a "must win", winning it would hugely increase the odds of the Bills making the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Spot on. I am a big-time domer. But it is only because our team is constructed for good weather. I am all for the elements if we can use it to our advantage. I also don't see why we can't have a retractable roof too as an option-- what an advantage that would be. We open the roof when it suits our team and matchup. I don't think you build a stadium dome vs non dome based on the current roster and style of play. Lets say Terry decides today he wants a dome. It will take 4-5 years to get approved etc and built. By that time who knows what we'll have roster wise? 5 years ago today we were a running team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Logic said: Respectfully, my post had nothing to do with the "wild card vs division champs" discussion. I also listed exactly where I got my results: Fivethirtyeight.com. When you're 7-5 and currently holding the 7th and final spot in the playoffs, every game is a big game. The point is that, while the Bucs game isn't a "must win", winning it would hugely increase the odds of the Bills making the playoffs. I just re-did it at NY Times. 85% chance to make playoffs with losses to TAMPA and NEW ENGLAND. IF we lose at TAMPA, but win out, we have a 100% chance of making playoffs, according to Times. And you were saying Tampa is not entirely unimportant? Maybe you are suggesting we have no chance to win out after Tampa? I think we have a good chance to do that, but we haven't won 4 in a row (or 2 in a row!) in a long time. I just refuse to get caught up in the Tampa panic; it's not necessary. The time for panic will be in NE and then the 3 "easy games". If we don't take care of business there, we're done. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: I just re-did it at NY Times. 85% chance to make playoffs with losses to TAMPA and NEW ENGLAND. IF we lose at TAMPA, but win out, we have a 100% chance of making playoffs, according to Times. And you were saying Tampa is not entirely unimportant? Maybe you are suggesting we have no chance to win out after Tampa? I think we have a good chance to do that, but we haven't won 4 in a row (or 2 in a row!) in a long time. I just refuse to get caught up in the Tampa panic; it's not necessary. The time for panic will be in NE and then the 3 "easy games". If we don't take care of business there, we're done. I agree that there's no need to panic if we don't beat Tampa Bay. My main point is that it's still a big game, because winning it would increase the Bills playoff chances dramatically. Using the NY Times playoff machine you mention, a win in TB raises the Bills playoff odds from 77% to 90%. That's a big increase. While 77% is still "statistically more likely than not", it's not a lead pipe lock. 90% is much closer to that. By winning in TB, the Bills avoid putting themselves in a position where they HAVE to go 4-0 or 3-1 in the remaining games to make the playoffs. It takes them from "backs up against the wall and little to no margin for error" to "a little bit of breathing room". Panic if they lose? No. Unimportant game? Also no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallser Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Just got the presale ticket email from the Bills, after we get destroyed Sunday I’m not sure playoffs are a lock, let alone a Home playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 hours ago, finn said: Help me out here. What's up with the pessimism? We finally have everyone back on the offensive line, and pretty much everyone is healthy. White being out is big, but he isn't the only reason the defense has been one of the best in the league. Yet people are full of doom and gloom. Why? The Pats game was a complete anomaly because of the weather; against the Colts, we were down Star, Edwards, Mongo and Brown. We lost to the Jags, but the Bucs lost to Washington; stuff happens. The Bills are pissed and hungry. I'm totally looking forward to this game. It's going to be a real shootout that will show a changing of the guard from Brady to Allen. I'm typically pretty optimistic. However some I'm starting to see the writing on them wall for this season. We beat teams QB'd by Heineke and Mahomes (during periods they were struggling) Tua, Brissett, Seimen, Mike White and Davis Mills. Hardly a murders row. Since the KC game this team is a sub .500 team. But injuries...right? That's a cop out excuse to me. Believe it or not...injuries happen to every team. The Cards kept winning without Kylar, D-Hop, Chase Edmunds...ect. The Bucs have been missing Gronk, Brown, Marpet and their whole secondary. Still won. Heck the Raiders are down their HC and most explosive offensive weapon and still finding wins. Titans have been missing players, the Ravens lost every RB in a 3 mile radius to their facility, Browns still in the hunt after losing Kareem and Chubb for bits and playing a 1 armed Mayfield....but yea we can't win without Feliciano and Star. This team is not built well. Let's face that fact. We have 2nd string level guys as starters at key positions...so when they get hurt and drop down the talent level is far below what should be on the field. On top of that we cannot run/stop the run. Haven't been able to close out close games. We are a 1 dimensional broken offense that cannot consistently cash in when in the red zone or get great starting field position. But yea, we can just reel off wins from here on out no matter what. 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Thank God they play another game. The negativity on this board is too much to handle especially after a loss so I try to avoid it. On a positive note, Bills 28 - Bucs 24 is my prediction. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Logic said: I hope Daboll says "***** it, if we're going down, we're going down swinging" and empties the bag of tricks. I want motions, jet sweeps, designed QB runs, trick plays, screens, you name it. We're NOT going to be able to run the ball against this team, so sling that sumbitch around the yard and play like it's the last game of your life. If we're gonna lose, can we at least make it fun? Can we at least make it look good? Like, I didn't mind the Tennessee loss so much. It was entertaining as hell and we went down like fighters. The Colts and Pats losses, well...not so much. MAKE BILLS FOOTBALL FUN AGAIN This is actually what they should do. After losing to NE the way we did, we're in more desperation mode. Let it all hang out. Blitz more, use the whole frickin playbook. The weather should cooperate. No crazy winds, 5-10mph. Let it all hang out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 34 minutes ago, Fallser said: Just got the presale ticket email from the Bills, after we get destroyed Sunday I’m not sure playoffs are a lock, let alone a Home playoff game. I’ve said, depending on who they play, not having a home playoff game could be a blessing. If they go anywhere with a dome or nicer weather it would be more of a home field advantage than playing in orchard park. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Nah....we are heading down the path of wild card berth. Gotta get used to that. We have a 89%-90% chance of playoffs even with losses in Tampa and NE. Not sure where you are getting your percentages. I'm using the NY Times simulator and the ESPN simulators. It will probably come down to our ability to take care of business and beat up on the 3 "easy" games. If we lose 1 or more of those, we won't make the playoffs and THAT'S when this place SHOULD go off the rails! But that is a long way from happening now. For the most part, we have beaten up on bad teams this year and I think we win those 3 going away. I think it’s “likely” we get in at 10-7, but I ran a sim on the ESPN Playoff Machine where I just asked one of my guys at the office to pick every game and then I gave us losses to TB/NE. His picks were reasonable. We didn’t get in. Cinci beating KC is the upset he picked that knocked us out. When I flipped that game, we were in. Everything else made sense to me as picks that could happen. With a bye likely on the line for the Chiefs, I don't think Cinci is beating KC. Then again, when has this season made any sense.. Edited December 9, 2021 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, SCBills said: I think it’s “likely” we get in at 10-7, but I ran a sim on the ESPN Playoff Machine where I just asked one of my guys at the office to pick every game and then I gave us losses to TB/NE. His picks were reasonable. We didn’t get in. Cinci beating KC is the upset he picked that knocked us out. When I flipped that game, we were in. Everything else made sense to me as picks that could happen. With a bye likely on the line for the Chiefs, I don't think Cinci is beating KC. Then again, when has this season made any sense.. Yeah. 10-7 is definitely "we need other teams to do certain things in order for us to make the playoffs" territory. 11-6 should get us in for sure. Win the three remaining "should win" games and one of TB or NE and we should be a lock. No small task, given what we've seen the past few weeks. Win the three remaining "should win games" and LOSE to both TB and NE, and we're scoreboard watching the rest of the season. Edited December 9, 2021 by Logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 36 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: I'm typically pretty optimistic. However some I'm starting to see the writing on them wall for this season. We beat teams QB'd by Heineke and Mahomes (during periods they were struggling) Tua, Brissett, Seimen, Mike White and Davis Mills. Hardly a murders row. Since the KC game this team is a sub .500 team. But injuries...right? That's a cop out excuse to me. Believe it or not...injuries happen to every team. The Cards kept winning without Kylar, D-Hop, Chase Edmunds...ect. The Bucs have been missing Gronk, Brown, Marpet and their whole secondary. Still won. Heck the Raiders are down their HC and most explosive offensive weapon and still finding wins. Titans have been missing players, the Ravens lost every RB in a 3 mile radius to their facility, Browns still in the hunt after losing Kareem and Chubb for bits and playing a 1 armed Mayfield....but yea we can't win without Feliciano and Star. This team is not built well. Let's face that fact. We have 2nd string level guys as starters at key positions...so when they get hurt and drop down the talent level is far below what should be on the field. On top of that we cannot run/stop the run. Haven't been able to close out close games. We are a 1 dimensional broken offense that cannot consistently cash in when in the red zone or get great starting field position. But yea, we can just reel off wins from here on out no matter what. 🙄 To be fair there are only so many good Quarterbacks in the league, as such you could do that for every team. Saying "while Mahomes was struggling" is a bit of a misnomer as well. You're putting all the onus on Mahomes, rather than saying that the Bills actually did a good job against him. Despite having a down year Mahomes is still going to make the Pro Bowl in the AFC, and remains one of the top five players at his position. In comparison the Pats have beat Zach Wilson, Davis Mills, Ryan Tannehill, Herbert, Mayfield, Alllen, Matt Ryan, and Sam Darnold. Would you call that a murderers row? How many top 5 QBs have they beat? Two? They've also lost to Jameis Winston and Tua. Bottom line is its a week to week league, and the games are hard to win. There are no sure things, and five weeks from now the Bills could be in a completely different place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: To be fair there are only so many good Quarterbacks in the league, as such you could do that for every team. Saying "while Mahomes was struggling" is a bit of a misnomer as well. You're putting all the onus on Mahomes, rather than saying that the Bills actually did a good job against him. Despite having a down year Mahomes is still going to make the Pro Bowl in the AFC, and remains one of the top five players at his position. In comparison the Pats have beat Zach Wilson, Davis Mills, Ryan Tannehill, Herbert, Mayfield, Alllen, Matt Ryan, and Sam Darnold. Would you call that a murderers row? How many top 5 QBs have they beat? Two? They've also lost to Jameis Winston and Tua. Bottom line is its a week to week league, and the games are hard to win. There are no sure things, and five weeks from now the Bills could be in a completely different place. Yes, I should have worded that differently. The whole Chief team was struggling. Not just Mahomes. And really, I don't give a red rats arse who anyone else has beaten and when. Wasn't what I was talking about. Let their fans worry about that. But since you bring it up..that same Tannehill is a QB that beat us. You know, along with Wentz and Ben's corpse. Let's not get too cocky there. And yes, 5 weeks from now anything "could" happen. The anything "could" happen was the mantra of the drought years. Let's use a bit of common sense here..again...since winning in KC this team has been sub .500. Just lost one of our best players. Have shown we do not have the ability/players to fix what's broken on this team. The actual "bottom line" here is that's called "trending down". Edited December 9, 2021 by No Place To Hyde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: Yes, I should have worded that differently. The whole Chief team was struggling. Not just Mahomes. And really, I don't give a red rats arse who anyone else has beaten and when. Wasn't what I was talking about. Let their fans worry about that. But since you bring it up..that same Tannehill is a QB that beat us. You know, along with Wentz and Ben's corpse. Let's not get too cocky there. And yes, 5 weeks from now anything "could" happen. The anything "could" happen was the mantra of the drought years. Let's use a bit of common sense here..again...since winning in KC this team has been sub .500. Just lost one of our best players. Have shown we do not have the ability/players to fix what's broken on this team. The actual "bottom line" here is that's called "trending down". I do think we could adopt different play calling to try and make do with what we have on offense at least. Otherwise I agree, it's an off-season fix, if not multiple off-seasons fix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: I just re-did it at NY Times. 85% chance to make playoffs with losses to TAMPA and NEW ENGLAND. IF we lose at TAMPA, but win out, we have a 100% chance of making playoffs, according to Times. And you were saying Tampa is not entirely unimportant? Maybe you are suggesting we have no chance to win out after Tampa? I think we have a good chance to do that, but we haven't won 4 in a row (or 2 in a row!) in a long time. I just refuse to get caught up in the Tampa panic; it's not necessary. The time for panic will be in NE and then the 3 "easy games". If we don't take care of business there, we're done. I just can’t imagine facing that NE offense again when they are able to get play action passing going too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I just can’t imagine facing that NE offense again when they are able to get play action passing going too. As I said up-thread, they will be able to do more given normal weather, but so will we. I'll take our offense over theirs and each team has as strong D. But we have to come up with smarter play calling and can't get bogged down in this "establish the run" crap, kind of for the sake of doing it, our of machismo or God knows what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 So sad that this year has a gone from SB contender to trying to figure out how the Bills even make the playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: This is actually what they should do. After losing to NE the way we did, we're in more desperation mode. Let it all hang out. Blitz more, use the whole frickin playbook. The weather should cooperate. No crazy winds, 5-10mph. Let it all hang out. i know mathematically a loss in tb is not as important as any of the afc games, ne in particular, for our playoff chances, but in terms of momentum and confidence, i think we are on a precipice right now, and you need something to just supercharge the bills swagger. i suppose there could be some kind of exciting close loss where the bills play better where they get their mojo back, but i really think walking into TB and smacking them, followed by going to NE and beating them turns the team from self sabotaging into a deadly monster of a team. so, based on all that, i think we either beat TB and make a hard push at a chip, or lose there and just fade down the stretch. i think if we miss the playoffs, even at 10-7, at the very least some assistant coaches get walking papers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: As I said up-thread, they will be able to do more given normal weather, but so will we. I'll take our offense over theirs and each team has as strong D. But we have to come up with smarter play calling and can't get bogged down in this "establish the run" crap, kind of for the sake of doing it, our of machismo or God knows what. But we don't have a strong D. Why do people keep saying that? They only look good playing scrub QBs. Wait until Brady and all his skill people torches them for 40+ points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 On 12/6/2021 at 10:46 PM, Virgil said: They can just run Fournette every play and they’ll win I havent read the thread up until now and Virgil my reaction was registering shock AND dismay at your post..because I fear you are absolutely correct OMGoodnesss just say NO to dejavu' bills performances. Yikes. m On 12/7/2021 at 3:12 AM, BobbyC81 said: Unfortunately, Brady will see the Bills helmets and his face will light up like a child on Christmas morning. #dismay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Not liking Lotulelei going from "limited" to "DNP" - although, Weds practice was said to be light Sweeney, it makes me grind my teeth because he's our only TE other than Knox, but I had high hopes for the kid and they're kind of gone. Before someone asks: If Klein is vaccinated, he can come off the Covid list as soon as he can muster 48 hrs with no symptoms and 2 negative tests 24 hrs apart. If he is unvaccinated, he's gone at least until next Weds or Thurs (10 days from Sunday or Monday) and will miss the Bucs game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: But we don't have a strong D. Why do people keep saying that? They only look good playing scrub QBs. Wait until Brady and all his skill people torches them for 40+ points. Football Outsiders has us currently ranked 1st in the NFL for defense, and 3rd in total DVOA. Other than that, you're right, we suck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) On 12/7/2021 at 7:57 AM, No Place To Hyde said: I had this game as a loss before the season started. Thought it may be a high scoring clash of 2 really good teams. That was then, this is now. Tampa is going to feast. This game is going to be ugly and I'm figuring it well be over by midway through the 3rd quarter. Unless its Not. This team could win out the season or "u know what" the bed. I vote optimism until Proven otherwise. Seeing how they respond in this game is crucial .. I better not see a glib performance... show some heart..they surely did last game and still managed to lose. I need the blue pill for that pats* game and I think the Bills need the exact opposite. Show up and show OUT Men DONT BE EMBARRASSED AGAIN.........smh jerrah sullivan ftw @-@ to gain or not gain advantage and toughness in 6 days time...yikes. *shrug* dial up a game plan to win this danged game and PLEASE protect #17 at the very least fcol...Frazier....Daboll?....taptaptaptaptap /vent Edited December 9, 2021 by Muppy typo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Muppy said: Unless its Not. This team could win out the season or "u know what" the bed. I vote optimism until Proven otherwise. Seeing how they respond in this game is crucial .. I better not see a glib performance... show some heart..they surely did last game and still managed to lose. I need the blue pill for that pats* game and I think they Bills need the exact opposite. Show up and show OUT Men DONT BE EMBARRASSED AGAIN.........smh jerrah sullivan ftw @-@ to gain or not gain advantage and toughness in 6 days time...yikes. *shrugs* dial up a game plan to win this danged game and PLEASE protect #17 at the very least fcol...Frazier....Daboll?....taptaptaptaptap /vent I love the optimism.. I will say this if they get down early by a couple scores.. the game will get ugly, and I see the Bills doing stupid undisciplined things.. I could be wrong but that’s what I THINK will happen. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: I love the optimism.. I will say this if they get down early by a couple scores.. the game will get ugly, and I see the Bills doing stupid undisciplined things.. I could be wrong but that’s what I THINK will happen. oh yeah I know it clearly Could go that way................*cringe* I need a combo cringe dismay emoji it'd be all over this thread lol yikes...Go Bills :-))) Edited December 9, 2021 by Muppy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Kickoff forecast: 80 degrees, winds 5 mph, partly cloudy. Post-NE game sentiment (heartbreaking L): We Need a Dome! Post-Tampa game sentiment (thrilling W): No, We Need to Move to Orlando! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: Kickoff forecast: 80 degrees, winds 5 mph, partly cloudy. Post-NE game sentiment (heartbreaking L): We Need a Dome! Post-Tampa game sentiment (thrilling W): No, We Need to Move to Orlando! I'm actually worried that will be too warm for our guys and they'll dehydrate. When it's 80 degrees air temperature, what is it down on the field? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm actually worried that will be too warm for our guys and they'll dehydrate. When it's 80 degrees air temperature, what is it down on the field? You are saying "too warm," but I am hearing "climate-controlled dome" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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