Let's put it another way - Are the Bills a better team than the Pats?

[FlaFitz1]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Perhaps you would find this less frustrating if you would care to explain, point by point, why you believe the Bills are a better team?

Coach

OC

DC

QB

WR

TE

OL

DL

LB

CB

Safety

Placekicker

Punter

Overall ST

(didn't we already have a thread on this?)

 

It's also possible that the weather will feature snow and strong winds - can you explain which team you believe this would favor and why?

 

 

 

You forgot long snapper!!

[Jpsredemption]

Right now - No. Pats are a more disciplined, complete team. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, FlaFitz1 said:

 

You forgot long snapper!!

 

LOL

I thought "overall special teams" covered that.

[Thriftygamer83]

Yes on paper, it's paper though, and it's whats on the field which matters.  Though, if New England tries to do a walk through on us again it comes down to their cheating once again.  Bellicheat now is just another cheater that's all he's ever been.  McDermott caught that and the league didn't step in can see why law enforcement did though.  I'll never forgive or forget Kraft or Goodell; got my posting on that issue but at least we don't employ a pedobear defender who protected Bulger and now handles their digital arm of public relations.  I noticed that uptick on every team cheating from sock puppet accounts.  Who knew after meeting with Putin it would lead to Kraft having such a balance with off shore Russian gambling operations.  For me as a loss prevention guy it's a game within a game.  You got crooked teams, crooked ownership, and crooked coaching from the top down, and the NFL has coddled them all the way.  

[RoyBatty is alive]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oh, I have.  Troy Aikman on TNF was pushing the narrative that Mac Jones is the greatest thing since sliced cheese.

Have heard from some other talking heads too.

Did  he?  Yeah I could see him doing that.

 

I try not to listen to him, I think he is a blowhard, I think he tries too hard not to be overshadowed by  Joe Buck.  Any connection to Belichek and suddenly players are elevated to greatness in many talking heads opinion.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Did  he?  Yeah I could see him doing that.

 

I try not to listen to him, I think he is a blowhard, I think he tries too hard not to be overshadowed by  Joe Buck.  Any connection to Belichek and suddenly players are elevated to greatness in many talking heads opinion.

 

Aikman was terribly annoying during the GB-Rams game.  He was all over exculpating Stafford "he's bravely playing hurt something is wrong with him".

News flash Aikman: he's not on the Ram's injury report, so if in fact he is playing hurt....that would be a violation of NFL rules.

 

As far as Mac Jones, though, to be fair, it's not just his connection to Belichik.

 

Brett Kollsman, who is explicitly NOT a Pats homer, did this film piece on Mac Jones that explains some of what Aikman, as a former great QB, is seeing:

 

[ngbills]

This is must win football. You dont want to be 7-5 with the Pats at 9-4. If we cant beat them at home why would we beat them on the road. That would be our 6th loss. The TB game on the road would be #7. So 10-7 and if we dont beat Pats they likely win out and are 13-4 or 12-5 at worst. 

 

So Pats win division and we are hoping to get in at 10-7. Way too many variables to expect 10-7 gets us in especially with our losses to Pit, Ind and Ten. 

[Jeffbigalls]

15 minutes ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Yes on paper, it's paper though, and it's whats on the field which matters.  Though, if New England tries to do a walk through on us again it comes down to their cheating once again.  Bellicheat now is just another cheater that's all he's ever been.  McDermott caught that and the league didn't step in can see why law enforcement did though.  I'll never forgive or forget Kraft or Goodell; got my posting on that issue but at least we don't employ a pedobear defender who protected Bulger and now handles their digital arm of public relations.  I noticed that uptick on every team cheating from sock puppet accounts.  Who knew after meeting with Putin it would lead to Kraft having such a balance with off shore Russian gambling operations.  For me as a loss prevention guy it's a game within a game.  You got crooked teams, crooked ownership, and crooked coaching from the top down, and the NFL has coddled them all the way.  

Lol

[RobbRiddick]

Right now on paper the Bill's are more talented but the Pats are a better TEAM. 

 

But none of this matters. All the Bills have to do to prove themselves better and win back the confidence of people who have started to write them off is beat the Pats.  It's all in their hands right now

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Yes unequivocally I say they are.  They are at home Monday night for a game they need to win (not crucial, but a loss would be crushing).  

 

I'm tired reading that anything can happen, any given Monday, things aren't linear, bad bounces, calls, decisions.....  

 

If the Bills do lose, what does that say? 

 

Worry about it if/when it happens?

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Worry about it if/when it happens?

 

He's in a constant state of worry. Almost every thread he has ever started is some variation of "I'm scared of....," "I'm worried about....," or "I'm concerned about..."

 

Most of the remainder of the threads he has started are some variation of "I'm angry about...."

 

Sometimes he tries to throw us off by creating a thread where he is concerned/scared/worried and angry....

[Jerome007]

I typically don't get all the  P*TSD around here... but I'm feeling it too these days, seeing them at the top of the division!

 

Recall when after the Chiefs game, the concern was the Bills had an easy schedule till the Bucs, that it would be hard for them to remain focused? Talk about overconfidence...

 

But at least the Bills can handle it! Sweep the Pats* and the Jets, and playoffs are a sure thing

 

 

Edited November 30, 2021 by Jerome007

[Thriftygamer83]

19 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said:

Lol

You laugh, being from Maine, they took Farrelly, and knew who he was.  You gotta figure on how many girls Kraft has had from the Tong and Traid's.  Well, at least he's an equal opportunity employer....  makes me wonder if he's a handyman lol≥≥...

Edited November 30, 2021 by Thriftygamer83
Being a smart arse

[Jeffbigalls]

1 minute ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

You laugh, being from Maine, they took Farrelly, and knew who he was.  You gotta figure on how many girls Kraft has had from the Tong and Traid's.  Well, at least he's an equal opportunity employer....  

Where in Maine? 

3 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

I typically don't get all the  P*TSD around here... but I'm feeling it too these days, seeing them at the top of the division!

 

Recall when after the Chiefs game, the concern was the Bills had an easy schedule till the Bucs, that it would be hard for them to remain focused? Talk about overconfidence...

 

But at least the Bills can handle it! Sweep the Pats* and the Jets, and playoffs are a sure thing

 

 

Unfortunately there will be no more than a split

[Thriftygamer83]

Just now, Jeffbigalls said:

Where in Maine? 

Lisbon, the old man Mynahan loved it when New England lost to the Giants twice lol.  Coach Mynahan was a fan Bills and Giants.

[Jeffbigalls]

Just now, Thriftygamer83 said:

Lisbon, the old man Mynahan loved it when New England lost to the Giants twice lol.  Coach Mynahan was a fan Bills and Giants.

Yeah I went to Lisbon HS back.in the day

[Jerome007]

With Tre gone and the long week, I hope that against a heavy running team like the Cheats that they will play 5 DLs at times, and/or play Klein along Edmunds and Milano. No need for dime packages all the time. Not because the secondary has been anything but top notch this year, they are one of THE best in the league, but they need more big bodies upfront against the run.  Run D as Run O are the Bills weak points. Address it with the game planning.

[Nitro]

NE are playing as a better team.   Bills have to get it together and unite in a singular effort to win.  Bills have better overall talent (IMO) but that does not mean victory.

[Mat68]

If you only look at the last 6 games Ne is really strong.  Overall, they are about average.  Jones is way less likely to turnover over the ball compared to the reckless Allen.  Well Allen has 2 more ints but 9 more Tds.  The more I think about  it and the closer we get, New England are not much different from the Dolphins last year.  I expect similar results to be honest.  

[Billsfan1972]

12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

He's in a constant state of worry. Almost every thread he has ever started is some variation of "I'm scared of....," "I'm worried about....," or "I'm concerned about..."

 

Most of the remainder of the threads he has started are some variation of "I'm angry about...."

 

Sometimes he tries to throw us off by creating a thread where he is concerned/scared/worried and angry....

And find when I was wrong....

31 minutes ago, ngbills said:

This is must win football. You dont want to be 7-5 with the Pats at 9-4. If we cant beat them at home why would we beat them on the road. That would be our 6th loss. The TB game on the road would be #7. So 10-7 and if we dont beat Pats they likely win out and are 13-4 or 12-5 at worst. 

 

So Pats win division and we are hoping to get in at 10-7. Way too many variables to expect 10-7 gets us in especially with our losses to Pit, Ind and Ten. 

Pretty much bang on...

[Jay_Fixit]

What was the first way?

[Success]

I haven't read through all of the responses, but I think Belichick makes it a wash.

 

They're good enough where I'd call the teams even w/ the coaching advantage.

 

And that's no criticism of McD. I think he's one of the best of that next tier of coaches.  But Belichick's teams are more disciplined, and they rarely beat themselves. I can't say that about the Bills.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

[TheBrownBear]

Honestly, we won't know until this Monday.  We were certainly superior last season.  I think with Star and Spencer Brown in the lineup, we are the better team.  Without those two?  Not so sure.

[FilthyBeast]

1 minute ago, Success said:

I haven't read through all of the responses, but I think Belichick makes it a wash.

 

They're good enough where I'd call the teams even w/ the coaching advantage.

 

And that's no criticism of McD. I think he's one of the best of that next tier of coaches.  But Belichick's teams are more disciplined, and they rarely beat themselves. I can't say that about the Bills.

 

 

Everybody was quick to pile on Belichik last year and claim he was only succesful because of Brady, but the reality of the situation is that even in a 'transition' type of year the Pats were 7-9 with terrible QB play, tons of guys hurt/covid opt out and that speaks volumes about how good of a coaching staff the Patriots truly have.

 

Also I would argue about McD being in that next tier of coaches beyond Belichik/Reid/etc. I wanted to believe that after last season but it's hard to look past the glaring issues this team has week after week even during a win in terms of penalties, turnovers, game plans, lack of adjustment, etc. Belichink is a wartime coach that is going to exploit these things in a major way which is why I have a hard time believe this game is even going to be close let alone the Bills having any real shot of winning.

[Marv's Neighbor]

As long as we keep racking up the penalties, we lose!!

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Everybody was quick to pile on Belichik last year and claim he was only succesful because of Brady, but the reality of the situation is that even in a 'transition' type of year the Pats were 7-9 with terrible QB play, tons of guys hurt/covid opt out and that speaks volumes about how good of a coaching staff the Patriots truly have.

 

Also I would argue about McD being in that next tier of coaches beyond Belichik/Reid/etc. I wanted to believe that after last season but it's hard to look past the glaring issues this team has week after week even during a win in terms of penalties, turnovers, game plans, lack of adjustment, etc. Belichink is a wartime coach that is going to exploit these things in a major way which is why I have a hard time believe this game is even going to be close let alone the Bills having any real shot of winning.

BB deserves some credit. But take Judon off that team and I bet they are still at the 7-9 type level. Still pissed the Bills did not make a run at him. Could easily have been paid for with Addison and Butlers money...

 

[P Riv]

I looked at their forum site, they have one thread about the Bills.  

[billsfan1959]

32 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And find when I was wrong....

 

A more daunting task would be to find when you were right...

[P Riv]

7 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

As long as we keep racking up the penalties, we lose!!

 

On the season we statistically have something like an average of 1.5 to 2 more a game than they do and more yards.  That will probably show up somehow.  

 

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

A more daunting task would be to find when you were right...

Here I'll help you.  Show me one thread this year where what I posted was "wrong" or did not have merit.

 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/profile/24993-billsfan1972/content/?type=forums_topic&change_section=1

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Here I'll help you.  Show me one thread this year where what I posted was "wrong" or did not have merit.

 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/profile/24993-billsfan1972/content/?type=forums_topic&change_section=1

 

No thanks. I think my head would explode if I had to review all of your threads at one time. I will admit that they are generally entertaining though, in a neurotic town crier kind of way...

[Pirate Angel]

We have better talent but offensive coaching philosophy we are grossly outmatched. 

         Our offensive line went to shambles and it's taken us 3 games to start to adjust to help josh out. 

       Why are we still not playing "small ball" with beasly and davis underneath? Seems like quick passes underneath would help the oline protect josh and keep the chains moving. Why did it take so long to get Breida involved he is the only back we have with NFL speed to bounce it outside and pick up a few yards turning the corner.  Hoping we get this all ironed out and we get a full arsenal of adjustments by playoff time.

[Nextmanup]

*Are the Bills a better team "THAN" the Pats.

 

Come on man, 5th grade grammar isn't that tough.

 

 

[Paup 1995MVP]

1 hour ago, bigK14094 said:

Both teams are capable at the player level, even w/o Tre White.          This game will be a match of the coach's ability to out smart the other team.  going against cheaten Bill is a tough assignment.  Daboll worked for him for 10 years, they know each other.  Going to be interesting to see if student can handle his teacher.  And, the Bills D has to handle the new young gun the Pats have at QB.   Not many bad throws unless they mount some pressure.  Maybe blitz the new guy some to see if he can handle it, who knows.  This isn't Mahones........but Jones can chuck it accurately for sure if he has time.

Definitely need to pressure Mack Jones.  He is not elusive in the slightest.  Blitz hard from the outside like we did against Tua.  And do not let him escape up the middle.  Even though the Pats beat the Falcons 26-0, when the Falcons blitzed, Jones was a deer in headlights. 

 

This is going to be a great game.  We have not had many home games in prime time in a long time.  Bills need to come out w some swagger.  Did not have that against the Colts.  Stuff the run and make Jones beat us.  Play physical.  Offense has been missing the juice we had last year.  They played better in the second half against the Saints.  But the O line was lousy especially Dawkins.  Real good teams don't have O lines that are this bad.  Need to get Breida a lot of touches.  He brings the speed and energy to the offense this year.  And opens things up for the rest of our weapons. 

 

There are no great teams in the NFL this year.  Its a week to week league with over two thirds of the teams still in playoff contention.  We need a big win Monday nite against the Pats to start our push to the playoffs.  No excuses.  

[Dablitzkrieg]

3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Yes unequivocally I say they are.  They are at home Monday night for a game they need to win (not crucial, but a loss would be crushing).  

 

I'm tired reading that anything can happen, any given Monday, things aren't linear, bad bounces, calls, decisions.....  

 

If the Bills do lose, what does that say? 

 

Is this like a mid-life crisis thing because you are 50 now?

[Toyo321]

54 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Everybody was quick to pile on Belichik last year and claim he was only succesful because of Brady, but the reality of the situation is that even in a 'transition' type of year the Pats were 7-9 with terrible QB play, tons of guys hurt/covid opt out and that speaks volumes about how good of a coaching staff the Patriots truly have.

 

Also I would argue about McD being in that next tier of coaches beyond Belichik/Reid/etc. I wanted to believe that after last season but it's hard to look past the glaring issues this team has week after week even during a win in terms of penalties, turnovers, game plans, lack of adjustment, etc. Belichink is a wartime coach that is going to exploit these things in a major way which is why I have a hard time believe this game is even going to be close let alone the Bills having any real shot of winning.

McD is not there yet. He still needs to work on quite a few flaws in his approach to coaching.

Edited November 30, 2021 by Toyo321

[Bubba Gump]

Yes, period!!!

[Toyo321]

I think the biggest handicap this team has right now is their coaching and the overall lack of it when it matters most,  unfortunately it happens on a consistent basis with the Bills.  Daboll is either the biggest detriment to this team or its MCD for not getting the best out his players week to week, or starting the best players that are available to dress.  We have had terrible coaching in 4 lousy games this year and these loses exposed the lack of real-time game planning against the opponent on both the O and D side of the ball.  I sure as hell did not see a well thought out game plans in any of these 4 loses.  Even some of our wins had really bad coaching in those games too.

 

 I do not understand why Daboll has not been held more accountable for this teams often abysmal offensive play calling and exploiting the other teams weaknesses.  That is his job and its MCD's job to make sure his team is ready to go every week with the right players on the field.

 

We have all seen some of poor play calling and everyone can just hits their heads on what the hell Daboll is watching up in the booth .  Because of this guys inability to adapt real-time to the flow of game when its needed the most,  or when this team gets behind this year, he is a huge liability as OC right now.

 

The only reason we don't have more than 4 loses this season,  the majority of our competition that we have played has been below us talent wise, or due to the other teams injuries to their starters.  To be honest I don't believe we are better than NE at this point.  But come Monday if the we out coach NE and Bill B, and Josh plays error free, making good game time decisions we win.  But the key is to get a sustained offense going early and maintain it for the entire game.  Something we have not done well at all this year.  We can't afford to take a half off in this game, and expect to win it in the last 2 quarters.  

 

We can't constantly go 3rd and 10 in this game and expect to win.  We have to get into short yardage 3rd down attempts.  Beasly and Breida are going to be keys in this game.  If we don't utilize these guys this week, we are in for a long Monday night.  NE will not make many mistakes on D, if any at all.

 

If we do all these things right on Monday night,  then my opinion will change that we are the better team.

 

But it could go in the exact opposite direction too.   Bad coaching, and Josh not playing smart and him playing hero ball.  This year when he does this we have lost all those games.

 

That is the challenge this week, out coach Bill Belichick.  Josh needs plays his best game of the season and even better than the game he had against KC, anything else will be bad TV for the Bills on Monday night.

[Success]

35 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Is this like a mid-life crisis thing because you are 50 now?

 

I went through my mid-life crisis. The Bills were an alarmingly large part of it.