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[freddyjj]

@Jeffbigalls

"And I like what Mac is doing, he just played very well against a Titans defense that was at full strength"

 

So now we have a perfect biosystem.  You manufacture BS and consume it entirely. 

 

Titan D played minus 3 Starting LBs in Bud Dupree, David Long and Rashaan Evans.  Then Monty Rice left game with bad ankle.  

 

Would love to see Pats play without Judon, Van Noy and Bentley/Hightower.  So would they be at full strength then too?

Edited November 30, 2021 by freddyjj
quoted wrong person

[Rockinon]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

They should invite Mac Jones to the the show just before the game...every QB that goes on that show loses their next game...haha.

[TheFunPolice]

Stevenson, Mckenzie, and Brieda is a lot of speed on the field. I hope we use McKenzie on offense a bit with Brieda in speed packages. 

[Scott7975]

11 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

@Jeffbigalls

 

So now we have a perfect biosystem.  You manufacture BS and consume it entirely. 

 

Titan D played minus 3 Starting LBs in Bud Dupree, David Long and Rashaan Evans.  Then Monty Rice left game with bad ankle.  

 

Would love to see Pats play without Judon, Van Noy and Bentley/Hightower.  So would they be at full strength then too?

 

Can you please fix that.  It makes it look like I said that garbage.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Quote

Vinovich’s crew averages a league-low 11.7 penalties per game this season, per

@ESPNStatsInf

Only 12 per game?    😂 

 

 

😝  😂 

I Googled him.  Here’s the top image 

 

 

Holding # 77

grabbing a defenseless player by the 🏈 🏈 

Edited December 1, 2021 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[FilthyBeast]

9 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Stevenson, Mckenzie, and Brieda is a lot of speed on the field. I hope we use McKenzie on offense a bit with Brieda in speed packages. 

 

McKenzie offers nothing at this point and he was benched for a reason.

 

I would like to see what Stevenson has to offer in the passing game and imagine he'll be part of the game plan going forward.

[Rockinon]

2 hours ago, KCNC said:

I actually think they will go back to McKenzie and not trust the rookie.  If rookie in there, you can bet BB will have his guys ripping at arms (ala McKelvin - the memory pains me)

It's possible, they want to give him more reps on offense, and let the rookie continue to field kicks.

[Scott7975]

3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

McKenzie offers nothing at this point and he was benched for a reason.

 

I would like to see what Stevenson has to offer in the passing game and imagine he'll be part of the game plan going forward.

 

Yeah, he offers nothing. 1 fumble and he offers nothing.  9th in yards per punt return. 5th in yards per kick return.  They havent even used him in the offense this year and the couple times they did he 5 catches that 2 went for first downs. 5 rushes 1 TD 3 first downs.  Offers nothing though.  He was just 10 ten in the league in both KR and PR.  Fumbled once and hes a bumb.  Stevenson fumbled once in one game played and really did nothing on the returns.

[FilthyBeast]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

Yeah, he offers nothing. 1 fumble and he offers nothing.  9th in yards per punt return. 5th in yards per kick return.  They havent even used him in the offense this year and the couple times they did he 5 catches that 2 went for first downs. 5 rushes 1 TD 3 first downs.  Offers nothing though.  He was just 10 ten in the league in both KR and PR.  Fumbled once and hes a bumb.  Stevenson fumbled once in one game played and really did nothing on the returns.

 

The jet sweep stuff is predicable and played out and activating him again this week and putting him on the field would be an invitation for disaster going against the Pats defense.

 

I don't see this coaching staff going back to McKenzie as the return man either this week even though Stevenson did absolutely nothing in his first NFL game.

 

Either way McKenzie isn't part of the future plans here and will be gone in the offseason, so it's time to see what some of these younger guys and one of the few roster moves I agree with.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

The jet sweep stuff is predicable and played out and activating him again this week and putting him on the field would be an invitation for disaster going against the Pats defense.

 

I don't see this coaching staff going back to McKenzie as the return man either this week even though Stevenson did absolutely nothing in his first NFL game.

 

Either way McKenzie isn't part of the future plans here and will be gone in the offseason, so it's time to see what some of these younger guys and one of the few roster moves I agree with.

It has nothing to do with McKenzie at this point.  McKenzie has proven that he can make plays.  They’re giving Stevenson a chance to see if he can do the same.  If he doesn’t do anything with this opportunity, we’ll see McKenzie come playoffs.

[freddyjj]

17 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Can you please fix that.  It makes it look like I said that garbage.

My sincere apologies, saw that after posting so inserted @new pats troll .

Not sure how to remove your name and time stamp from quote - it's an age thing

[FilthyBeast]

Just now, NewEra said:

It has nothing to do with McKenzie at this point.  McKenzie has proven that he can make plays.  They’re giving Stevenson a chance to see if he can do the same.  If he doesn’t do anything with this opportunity, we’ll see McKenzie come playoffs.

 

You might be right but either way he's playing out the string in Buffalo, as are possibly a lot of other players on this roster if this team fizzles out or doesn't go far in the playoffs if they get there.

[Scott7975]

7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

The jet sweep stuff is predicable and played out and activating him again this week and putting him on the field would be an invitation for disaster going against the Pats defense.

 

I don't see this coaching staff going back to McKenzie as the return man either this week even though Stevenson did absolutely nothing in his first NFL game.

 

Either way McKenzie isn't part of the future plans here and will be gone in the offseason, so it's time to see what some of these younger guys and one of the few roster moves I agree with.

 

How does what you said even make sense to you?  The five whole times they ran the jet sweep this year went for first downs or a TD in 4 of them.

 

Probably not but that doesnt mean its the correct decision.  Going with a rookie that has one game played and showed lousy in that game with a fumble of his own on top of it over a guy that was top 9 in one area and top 5 in another.  Makes no sense.  Especially against the Pats.  McKenzie had 1 fumble in 10 games.  Stevenson 1 fumble and looked like an idiot most plays in 1 game.

 

He probably isnt the future.  McKenzie is a likeable JAG but this isnt the week you try to see what you have in a rookie.  Thats idiocy.  Sounds about right that you would want to experiment against a team that you predict blows us out though.

 

This makes about as much sense as banging Moss into the oline for no gain over and over when you have a guys getting 5+ ypc all year and sitting the other guy who is the only one with real speed.

Edited November 30, 2021 by Scott7975

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

You might be right but either way he's playing out the string in Buffalo, as are possibly a lot of other players on this roster if this team fizzles out or doesn't go far in the playoffs if they get there.

or maybe we catch fire and close the season as we did last year. Gotta stay healthy from here on out

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Really nice and quick video on Dane Jackson Ron Cover 1:

 

 

[Rockinon]

McKenzie is useful for a number of reasons on offense. He often goes in motion and it's not necessarily for a jet sweep, though it does give the defense something else to think about. I recall a play where McKenzie went in motion as if he was going to do a jet sweep. Instead, he kept running while Josh dropped back to pass. Josh hit him and he was wide open. Those plays are effective and useful. The argument that McKenzie isn't is flawed. Also, he had some great games as a receiver in the playoffs last year when the rest of our receiving core was beat up.

[Rockinon]

I'm excited to see what Dane can do too. The kid has some skills. Still learning, but he's clearly pretty good in coverage.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

He said he was out for the year but we all decided he was just tipsy on bourbon street and posting nonsense 

 

I believe it was posted the morning of the game

[Mat68]

18 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

McKenzie is useful for a number of reasons on offense. He often goes in motion and it's not necessarily for a jet sweep, though it does give the defense something else to think about. I recall a play where McKenzie went in motion as if he was going to do a jet sweep. Instead, he kept running while Josh dropped back to pass. Josh hit him and he was wide open. Those plays are effective and useful. The argument that McKenzie isn't is flawed. Also, he had some great games as a receiver in the playoffs last year when the rest of our receiving core was beat up.

Do it with Diggs.  The 2 or 3 possible touches from it should go to Diggs.  They havent used him in that method much and I think its an easy way to get him involved in the game.  I think Mckenzie is a good role player.  He will be needed again.  Just not this week.  
 

Stevenson made his first appearance in a Primetime game, in his home state after 3 days of practice.  That was a big deal for him.  He got through it.  Like his aggressiveness on Punts and his speed will shine on kick returns.

Edited November 30, 2021 by Mat68

[Patrick Duffy]

9 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

I'm excited to see what Dane can do too. The kid has some skills. Still learning, but he's clearly pretty good in coverage.

Yeah he's pretty decent. He does seem to bite on the double move a little more than you'd want, but he's learning. Also he tackles well and that's a good thing. Anyways, he's getting his chance now for sure so hope he takes advantage of it.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Hopefully he’s learned how to defend the double move…. My guess is the Patriots set him up all game before eventually calling one. 

good luck to Mac Jones completing that in the gale force winds that are expected! 

[MiltonWaddams]

14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Well, Dane has been absolutely torched on them so if he’s beat again and the ball is under thrown due to the wind I’m sure it will draw a PI.

Yes,  our resident optimist has arrived!

[Blank Stare]

It’ll be interesting to see what game plan Daboll comes up with for this one. Im sure he’ll have a wrinkle in the tank like when they played the Chiefs (not that exact game plan, but the wrinkles). I just hope he doesn’t overthink it. 

Edited November 30, 2021 by TheProcess

[Success]

I wish that "Backstreet Boys" tune wasn't in a prominent commercial. I find myself singing it subconsciously all day.

 

[DapperCam]

Are there a lot of Pats fans pretending to be Bills fans posting in this thread? Don’t these people have anything better to do?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

10 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

It’ll be interesting to see what game plan Daboll comes up with for this one. Im sure he’ll have a wrinkle in the tank like when they played the Chiefs (not that exact game plan, but the wrinkles). I just hope he doesn’t overthink it. 

agreed. He cannot outmart himself. Let’s get some balance on offense again.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

 

[Sugar High JA17]

Best game of the year so far, cant wait! win or lose this is just the start!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, DapperCam said:

Are there a lot of Pats fans pretending to be Bills fans posting in this thread? Don’t these people have anything better to do?

 

No there are a lot of Pats fans pretending to be Pats fans posting in this thread.

Oh and one guy who is pretending to be a Bills fan, but who was all over the Dolphins last year and is all over the Patriots now.

 

and evidently the answer is "No, they don't"

[PromoTheRobot]

Watching NBC Sports Boston. Matthew Fairburn is now a Pats reporter for the Athletic. The narrative this week is the Pats already won this game. Matt Jones is miles ahead of Josh Allen. Bills are a soft team because they'd rather pass than run. Think we are the "greatest show on turf" but we play is cold sloppy Buffalo.

[strive_for_five_guy]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No there are a lot of Pats fans pretending to be Pats fans posting in this thread.

Oh and one guy who is pretending to be a Bills fan, but who was all over the Dolphins last year and is all over the Patriots now.

 

and evidently the answer is "No, they don't"

They will be MIA after this week.

[WyoAZBillfan]

I’m guessing anxiety meds are in high demand for Monday. Here’s hoping the Bills science balance on offense and the defense is prepared to play dink and dunk, play action runs sprinkled in. All the while ask yourselves “ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??”!!!  Go Bills!! 

[Coffeesforclosers]

9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Watching NBC Sports Boston. Matthew Fairburn is now a Pats reporter for the Athletic. The narrative this week is the Pats already won this game. Matt Jones is miles ahead of Josh Allen. Bills are a soft team because they'd rather pass than run. Think we are the "greatest show on turf" but we play is cold sloppy Buffalo.

 

Humility isn't exactly a trademark of the BB Patriots.

[YoloinOhio]

42 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Watching NBC Sports Boston. Matthew Fairburn is now a Pats reporter for the Athletic. The narrative this week is the Pats already won this game. Matt Jones is miles ahead of Josh Allen. Bills are a soft team because they'd rather pass than run. Think we are the "greatest show on turf" but we play is cold sloppy Buffalo.

 

[Like A Mofo]

The national sports media and their display over how they are slobbering all over New England this year after one 6 game winning streak just puts the stamp on what we all knew for decades: They have some odd, strange and twisted fascination with this franchise and they crave their success so much it is almost toxic.

 

These same folks are chomping at the bit to dismiss Buffalo in any way shape they can. The media likes things to be a 'certain way' They want the same old teams that have the most followers on Twitter to be the best to:

 

1. Make their jobs easier

2. Get the most clicks

3. Rile up other fan bases to get even MORE clicks.

 

This is how they operate, and will always operate. Little engines that could like small market Buffalo will always have to really outshine ones like New England. These are the cold, hard facts. Embrace it. Relish in the role. And ignore them. Completely.

[buffaloboyinATL]

To all of these fools on ESPN, NFLN etc saying they would rather have Mac Jones than Josh Allen, you are out of your ever loving minds!!!

 

Willie McGinist just said  Mac Jones is a better QB and Allen will struggle because the Pats* D is so good. Are you freaking kidding me?!  I knew w he is a Pats* homer, but C’mon Man!!

55 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Watching NBC Sports Boston. Matthew Fairburn is now a Pats reporter for the Athletic. The narrative this week is the Pats already won this game. Matt Jones is miles ahead of Josh Allen. Bills are a soft team because they'd rather pass than run. Think we are the "greatest show on turf" but we play is cold sloppy Buffalo.

Haha! I heard a similar take earlier on NFL Live. They must’ve all gotten the memo on how to dismiss us as a soft, pass happy team. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Watching NBC Sports Boston. Matthew Fairburn is now a Pats reporter for the Athletic. The narrative this week is the Pats already won this game. Matt Jones is miles ahead of Josh Allen. Bills are a soft team because they'd rather pass than run. Think we are the "greatest show on turf" but we play is cold sloppy Buffalo.

What do you expect from a New England based reporter? The Bills weaknesses are on both sides of the lines. They got manhandled on the lines vs Pitt, Tenn, Colts, and Jags. The "soft" label isn't a unfair statement. We will see if the Bills can she'd this label and beat the Pats. 

Edited December 1, 2021 by newcam2012

[Success]

5 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

To all of these fools on ESPN, NFLN etc saying they would rather have Mac Jones than Josh Allen, you are out of your ever loving minds!!!

 

Willie McGinist just said  Mac Jones is a better QB and Allen will struggle because the Pats* D is so good. Are you freaking kidding me?!  I knew w he is a Pats* homer, but C’mon Man!!

Haha! I heard a similar take earlier on NFL Live. They must’ve all gotten the memo on how to dismiss us as a soft, pass happy team. 

 

McGinist was a great player - but he's a pure homer.

 

Bruschi is the same.  Those guys should watch former players like Aikman & Simms - I can watch them commentate on games w/ their former teams & I'd never know they played for those teams.

 

[newcam2012]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

McGinist was a great player - but he's a pure homer.

 

Bruschi is the same.  Those guys should watch former players like Aikman & Simms - I can watch them commentate on games w/ their former teams & I'd never know they played for those teams.

 

But to extent aren't most of us "homers?"

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

But to extent aren't most of us "homers?"

Yes, but most of us are not NFL analysts. He SHOULD try and analyze the teams rather than state opinion as fact.