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3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

The real question here is "Why did the Jags want it more ??" and "Why were they more ready to play ???"

 

Isn't it McD's job to make sure the Bills want it more and have the Bills more ready to play ???

It should be, of course. I don’t think he does it the major of the times. 

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4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

It’s gonna happen. I feel like each new dramatic thread one of these unknowns tries to top the previous. 
Somewhere I picture Simon and hapless and chandler smiling like Oprah reading some of these hot takes  “you get a ban, and you get a ban, and a ban for you” Oprah You Get A Car GIF by Governor of Poker 3

 

But look at the LIFE this losing has brought back to the board!

 

Frankly, TBD had been getting pretty boring and full of COVID threads because it was the only thing to talk about.

 

Now we are back to having real football related discussions about which coach to fire, which players to cut, which players to sign/draft, what this team needs to win, offensive schemes and gameplans.

 

Losing is good for the board, lol

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1 hour ago, Italian Bills said:

Ok, let me tell you something: i can’t believe he’s talking about take care of football, about “They wanted it more”, about “They were ready to play” etc etc etc … the only thing that really matter is HOW IS POSSIBLE THAT WE SHOWED UP WITHOUT ANY FIRE AND WILL TO DESTROY A 1-6 TEAM, REGARDLESS A UGLY OL. 

You know… beside the Bills unfortunately i love the Knicks also… so i’m used to this type of performance, no hearth and no respect for the best fans in the world at all !

 

5-3 … com’on… i’m sure that the same Bills with Mike Tomlin at the head would be 7-1 just because his grit. 


I posted this in the song thread, but it seems appropriate here as well …. Maybe I’ll post it in all the Jacksonville threads 🤪

 

 

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5 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Didn't you see the movie "Animal House?"

Oh yeah, in that case … sorry bro. 😅

15 minutes ago, MJS said:

Let's fire him and rehire Rex Ryan! That dude had fire!

Ok guys.. don’t touch Mcd ! What i think is that everybody has the right to express his thoughts, this is a board, right ? 

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Daboll has had freedom to do whatever on offense.  Last year Mcdermott took over play calling for a game.  Im curious how involved Mcdermott will be on offense this week.  I felt like after week 1 Mcdermott forced some change on offense.  

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1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

See if Wrecks will lend us the 'Billsmobile'.  Did he have to give that back? 🤔

I think he left it running behind the Tim Horton’s he said he always stopped at on his way in to the office? (At said office he would wake up Brother Rob, who invariably fell asleep on the couch from the exhaustion of brainstorming ways to help explain Rex’s defense to Mario) 

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3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I’ve seen McD make something out of a nothing roster in 2018, where the Bills had no business winning anything and still coming away with 6 W’s, and consistently bouncing back from subpar outings where he clearly was able to coach up the team, etc. Like it or not, he’s earned the benefit of the doubt from us, broke the drought, and overall has done a fantastic job with our Bills—should we have won? Of course. Can we bounce back? Of course. Do we still control our divisional fate? Of course. So let’s see if this coaching staff can continue to earn their checks this week and make necessary changes…cool?

He's earned disdain for this successful team showing up undisciplined and lacking energy and a refuse to lose mentality. A bunch of turnstiles for O-lineman and poor playcalling, doesn't deserve a pass. This fan base deserves better. 

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2 hours ago, Italian Bills said:

That’s my point: in a game like that you can’t just stay there clapping instead eat the player’s heads for their poor performance. 

 

Even McD's clapping game has been lackluster this year, i need to see some real vigorous aggressive clapping again soon or it's definately time to throw the towel on the season..

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3 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

The real question here is "Why did the Jags want it more ??" and "Why were they more ready to play ???"

 

Isn't it McD's job to make sure the Bills want it more and have the Bills more ready to play ???

 

Exactly.

 

On the one hand, there's only so much motivating of a bunch of highly-paid professional athletes a coach can do.  I think it's kind of like parenting a stubborn teenager in a way.

 

McDermott can say "everything is earned, nothing is given".  He can tell them "if you go in there expecting to win in the NFL, you're gonna get your ass whipped".

 

But eventually, they're going to be like "yeah, yeah" and need to actually suffer going in there expecting to win and getting their ass whipped in order to take him seriously.

 

The coaches do need to look at whether some of their actions in how they prepare and their attention to detail that week are "tells" to the players that the coaches aren't too worried about the game and they can slack off.  IMO.

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3 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

The real question here is "Why did the Jags want it more ??" and "Why were they more ready to play ???"

 

Isn't it McD's job to make sure the Bills want it more and have the Bills more ready to play ???

 

I agree with you here.. and Josh said the same thing to in his post interview..

 

So unless they dont mean what they say, why are they being out motivated by a team that is already all but out of the running with only pride to play for?

 

Over the past few weeks, they have been smacked in the mouth by the Titans and then one half by Miami and they still dont turn up and respect an opponent and expect to just go through the motions and coast to a W..  Bad signs here... 

 

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, Italian Bills said:

 

5-3 … com’on… i’m sure that the same Bills with Mike Tomlin at the head would be 7-1 just because his grit. 

 

 

No, you're not sure. What you have there is a guess or an opinion, and one without any degree of substantiation or reasonable evidence.

 

And by the way, the Steelers played flat and badly most of the first month of the season. Tomlin's damn good, but not perfect. Same with McDermott.

 

 

17 hours ago, Italian Bills said:

 

I agree. It’s ok have the back of your staff and players.. but sometimes you have to make very clear what you don’t want to see anymore. 

 

 

 

And your evidence that he hasn't done that is non-existent. Entirely imaginary, as a matter of fact.

 

 

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17 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

Not Sean's fault Beane has not upgraded the roster since losing to Chiefs,  RB position is the worse in the NFL and Beane brings back the same two slow failures from last season.  One of those two should have been cut and replaced

 

Sorry i have watched i lot of football and i have seen good RB's get yards behind average to below average line,  neither player scares anyone and they are just dropping LB'S in coverage knowing those two dudes are not getting past the line 

 

 

I'm sure you have seen good RBs get yards behind average to below average lines.

 

That's what you're seeing in Buffalo right now. Singletary's averaging 4.9 YPC, and while Moss is lower, he's still making yards. Yes, they're not breakaway threats. But both are solid guys.

 

And Beane certainly did upgrade the roster since losing to the Chiefs. Rousseau, Emanuel Sanders and Brown, for three, say hello. He didn't upgrade them in every area, which in our cap situation was just simply the way it had to be.

 

 

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18 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

People calling for McDermott's head are the best.

 

I have a buddy calling for McD's head.  Says he is our "Tony Dungy" like the Bucs had... and won't win or compete for a Super Bowl until the Bills get their Gruden type guy... whatever that means.  So yeah, there are people tiring of McDermott.

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5 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I'm sure you have seen good RBs get yards behind average to below average lines.

 

That's what you're seeing in Buffalo right now. Singletary's averaging 4.9 YPC, and while Moss is lower, he's still making yards. Yes, they're not breakaway threats. But both are solid guys.

 

And Beane certainly did upgrade the roster since losing to the Chiefs. Rousseau, Emanuel Sanders and Brown, for three, say hello. He didn't upgrade them in every area, which in our cap situation was just simply the way it had to be.

 

 

I think we're are missing those 20 -25 yard plays because of their lack of speed.  I understand and agree our line is average,  but because teams are playing the pass there are plays to be made.  So even when a hole is open neither guy is able to make the big play.  I think Williams who ran a 4.4 -4.5 forty has more burst and more capable of big plays.  Once you have a few big plays then teams are going to bring LB's closer to the line,  right now teams are not worried about giving up big plays because they know both backs are slow

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17 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

I think we're are missing those 20 -25 yard plays because of their lack of speed.  I understand and agree our line is average,  but because teams are playing the pass there are plays to be made.  So even when a hole is open neither guy is able to make the big play.  I think Williams who ran a 4.4 -4.5 forty has more burst and more capable of big plays.  Once you have a few big plays then teams are going to bring LB's closer to the line,  right now teams are not worried about giving up big plays because they know both backs are slow

 

 

I disagree the line is average. With the current injuries and guys playing out of position, it's far below that. With everyone healthy and in position they're a good line at pass pro and average to below average at run blocking, possibly because they spend so little time on it.

 

As for 20 - 25 yard run plays being missing, they're not. Singletary has a 46 yarder (MIA) and a 25 yarder (PIT).

 

Could there be more if they were better backs? Yeah, sure. I'm not arguing that they are constant breakaway threats or great backs. But they're solid. And I disagree about your "holes" diagnosis. When there are holes these guys get yards. Too often there aren't holes. It's been said ad infinitum, but for good reason, they have fewer yards before contact than just about anyone around and that's mostly bad blocking.

 

They're not slow. They're just not real fast. And plenty of guys without breakaway speed are NFL starters and good players for years.

 

Would it be good to get an upgrade? Sure! Is that position the highest priority to upgrade, or even in the top three? I sure don't think so. Give me a guard or two, a CB or two, a second TE and maybe another interior DL, or a top-class pass rushing DE.

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17 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

The real question here is "Why did the Jags want it more ??" and "Why were they more ready to play ???"

 

Isn't it McD's job to make sure the Bills want it more and have the Bills more ready to play ???

 

 

It's his responsibility, but it's not solely in his power. 

 

More, there's never in history been a coach who didn't have their team come out flat sometimes. It happens. Even to Lombardi. Even to Belichick. What separates the great coaches in this area is that it happens less often for greats than most others. 

 

And McDermott teams have had bad games sometimes, but flat games very rarely.

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12 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It's his responsibility, but it's not solely in his power. 

 

More, there's never in history been a coach who didn't have their team come out flat sometimes. It happens. Even to Lombardi. Even to Belichick. What separates the great coaches in this area is that it happens less often for greats than most others. 

 

And McDermott teams have had bad games sometimes, but flat games very rarely.

I would just also add, and how the team responds the following week(s). 

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17 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Exactly.

 

On the one hand, there's only so much motivating of a bunch of highly-paid professional athletes a coach can do.  I think it's kind of like parenting a stubborn teenager in a way.

 

McDermott can say "everything is earned, nothing is given".  He can tell them "if you go in there expecting to win in the NFL, you're gonna get your ass whipped".

 

But eventually, they're going to be like "yeah, yeah" and need to actually suffer going in there expecting to win and getting their ass whipped in order to take him seriously.

 

The coaches do need to look at whether some of their actions in how they prepare and their attention to detail that week are "tells" to the players that the coaches aren't too worried about the game and they can slack off.  IMO.

 

Since Sunday I have been trying to find the words about this game and you did it very well.  I think humble and hungry has run its course.  It's a phrase that is useful for an up and coming team but now the Bills are the lead dogs. 

 

There was a quote a couple of weeks ago that was telling to me that I can't find.  It was along the lines of we know we are good and the other teams know we are good.  Maybe Poyer said it? That is an okay mindset as long as you don't rest on the belief that you are good and forget the work that made you good. 

 

I think it was easy to see Jacksonville defense was playing with more urgency than the Bills offense.  Josh looked strangely aloof as he continuously just went back and plopped on the same seat at the end of the bench.  Jax Josh Allen looked like he was competing to be the top Josh Allen (pointing at the name on his jersey after the int) and played with his hair on fire the whole game. I think the oline got their lunch handed to them.  I also think the entire offense thought they would just turn it on and be fine as they have done in several games this year (just last week against Miami).

 

I also think these quotes from McD are saying exactly that.  The pitt game and this game were both games where it looked like Buffalo thought they were going to win just by showing up.  He isn't going to throw anyone under the bus and say they weren't trying very hard directly but that is my takeaway from these quotes.

 

It can be a learning experience and hopefully a focused offense shows up next week against the Jets that Josh has typically struggled against.  Hopefully this is a painful lesson like Arizona last year where the team can be better for it.  Hopefully.

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2 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

Since Sunday I have been trying to find the words about this game and you did it very well.  I think humble and hungry has run its course.  It's a phrase that is useful for an up and coming team but now the Bills are the lead dogs. 

 

There was a quote a couple of weeks ago that was telling to me that I can't find.  It was along the lines of we know we are good and the other teams know we are good.  Maybe Poyer said it? That is an okay mindset as long as you don't rest on the belief that you are good and forget the work that made you good. 

 

I think it was easy to see Jacksonville defense was playing with more urgency than the Bills offense.  Josh looked strangely aloof as he continuously just went back and plopped on the same seat at the end of the bench.  Jax Josh Allen looked like he was competing to be the top Josh Allen (pointing at the name on his jersey after the int) and played with his hair on fire the whole game. I think the oline got their lunch handed to them.  I also think the entire offense thought they would just turn it on and be fine as they have done in several games this year (just last week against Miami).

 

I also think these quotes from McD are saying exactly that.  The pitt game and this game were both games where it looked like Buffalo thought they were going to win just by showing up.  He isn't going to throw anyone under the bus and say they weren't trying very hard directly but that is my takeaway from these quotes.

 

It can be a learning experience and hopefully a focused offense shows up next week against the Jets that Josh has typically struggled against.  Hopefully this is a painful lesson like Arizona last year where the team can be better for it.  Hopefully.

Per the bold, I think I could make an argument about how that phrase applies even more to a top dog team. A lot of what you describe in the rest of your post applies to a team that wasn’t humble and wasn’t hungry last Sunday. If anything, perhaps McD should reinforce the hungry and humble lesson. 

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I could argue that was a fluke,  dude with LB'S in retreat both backs should have many runs in the 20 plus range. Even when they get past the first wave when there is a hole open there is no burst into the second level. What harm would it be giving the Williams kid a opportunity? Cannot be any worse,  doing the same thing for the past two years with both Moss & Singletary.  In fact I think Singletary bulking up during the offseason  has less juke then last season

 

Right now we don't have time to remake our line,  you give Williams a opportunity against a team likre the Jets maybe you find an answer

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34 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Per the bold, I think I could make an argument about how that phrase applies even more to a top dog team. A lot of what you describe in the rest of your post applies to a team that wasn’t humble and wasn’t hungry last Sunday. If anything, perhaps McD should reinforce the hungry and humble lesson. 

 

That's actually a very good point and I can't disagree.  

 

What I was trying to say was that phrase is falling on deaf ears.  It is time to mix up the message as it has lost it's effect on the team.  Now instead of it meaning something, it is just something they say but don't believe.

 

However your points stands and not being humble and hungry is exactly what bothered me about that game.  

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10 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

I have a buddy calling for McD's head.  Says he is our "Tony Dungy" like the Bucs had... and won't win or compete for a Super Bowl until the Bills get their Gruden type guy... whatever that means.  So yeah, there are people tiring of McDermott.

Be careful what you wish for

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