Public hearings coming on future Buffalo stadium

[BuffaloBills1998]

https://www.wivb.com/sports/buffalo-bills-stadium-discussions/public-hearings-coming-on-future-bills-stadium/amp/

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

https://www.wivb.com/sports/buffalo-bills-stadium-discussions/public-hearings-coming-on-future-bills-stadium/amp/

 

What are the odds this ends up in one of the other stadium threads? Asking for a gambler friend. 

[BuffaloBills1998]

Just now, Augie said:

 

What are the odds this ends up in one of the other stadium threads? Asking for a gambler friend. 

Honestly I didn’t know if this needed it’s own post. I just thought I’d post this and see what everyone’s reaction is to this news. To me it’s beyond stupid to hold hearings and letting the public speak out on this. I’m glad they’re original 90 day hearing got rejected

[Marv's Neighbor]

Making a mental bet so I can lose my mind again!

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Honestly I didn’t know if this needed it’s own post. I just thought I’d post this and see what everyone’s reaction is to this news. To me it’s beyond stupid to hold hearings and letting the public speak out on this. I’m glad they’re original 90 day hearing got rejected

You don't want them to have public input??

 

Personally, I'm glad they've already incorporated MY idea for a Zubaz pattern on the stadium facade.

[davefan66]

Just local government covering their backsides giving people the illusion they have a say.

 

 

[TBBills]

No one cares what the public says in these things.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, davefan66 said:

Just local government covering their backsides giving people the illusion they have a say.

 

As a Government official of some years standing over here in the UK I can confirm that the golden rule of consultation is never consult unless you have already made up your mind  

[RangerDave]

2 hours ago, davefan66 said:

Just local government covering their backsides giving people the illusion they have a say.

 

 

In my experience, these type of public commentary deals come up with three alternatives:

1. Do nothing.  (Play in the same stadium)
2. A terrible alternative that no one wants.  (Something like a floating stadium on Lake Erie)
3. The alternative they wanted all along (A stadium in Orchard Park)

This way, they can say the public had the chance to have input on how their money is being spent, while knowing that they will get what the wanted from the beginning.

 

Sometimes, they may make minor changes based on public input, if they really like them (meaning they will make the plan cheaper or will result in more money being made.)

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, RangerDave said:

In my experience, these type of public commentary deals come up with three alternatives:

1. Do nothing.  (Play in the same stadium)
2. A terrible alternative that no one wants.  (Something like a floating stadium on Lake Erie)
3. The alternative they wanted all along (A stadium in Orchard Park)

This way, they can say the public had the chance to have input on how their money is being spent, while knowing that they will get what the wanted from the beginning.

 

Sometimes, they may make minor changes based on public input, if they really like them (meaning they will make the plan cheaper or will result in more money being made.)

 

Our now Prime Minister wanted to build a floating airport in the Thames Estuary when he was Mayor of London. True story. 

[sherpa]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Our now Prime Minister wanted to build a floating airport in the Thames Estuary when he was Mayor of London. True story. 

The US Navy has been doing that for nearly a century, and they can move them.

[Greg S]

At the end of the day this is just a bunch meaningless babbling. Bottom line is a new stadium is being built either in OP or Buffalo.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 minutes ago, sherpa said:

The US Navy has been doing that for nearly a century, and they can move them.

"Jarrrr, mateys!  They won't meet our terms!  Hoist anchor and set sail for DUNKIRK!"

*
Thus began the second golden age of the Robber Baron NFL Owners.  Al Davis smiles down...er, up from Hell. 😁

Edited October 22, 2021 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

As a Government official of some years standing over here in the UK I can confirm that the golden rule of consultation is never consult unless you have already made up your mind  

Gunner:

What’s the definition of a Consultant?

Answer:

Someone who borrows your watch to tell you what time it is. 
😉

[LabattBlue]

I like the part of the article where it states public hearings will not be scheduled until stadium negotiations are further along.  Translated…let’s try and bring this to a screeching halt once they get serious.  Bunch of part-time hacks(county legislators) trying to get their moment in the sun.  

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Gunner:

What’s the definition of a Consultant?

Answer:

Someone who borrows your watch to tell you what time it is. 
😉

 

Haha indeed. Who was that poster who used to post here and was a consultant and thought everything even football could be brought down to basic consultant principles and used to tie himself in knots making the most preposterous arguments at times? He disappeared around the same time as Rex, though I am not suggesting he was Rex..... he used to use words that Rex wouldn't be able to say let alone spell. 

Edited October 22, 2021 by GunnerBill

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Yes, the Buffalo public meeting, as productive as past public meetings when residents tried to keep an abandoned factory from being demolished because their Grandpa worked there in the 1940’s, how the waterfront needs to be home of a new Seneca Native American Museum, old people holding “no new taxes” signs.

 

Ought to be super productive.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Haha indeed. Who was that poster who used to post here and was a consultant and thought everything even football could be brought down to basic consultant principles and used to tie himself in knots making the most preposterous arguments at times? He disappeared around the same time as Rex, though I am not suggesting he was Rex..... he used to use words that Rex wouldn't be able to say let alone spell. 

What I find a bit comical is that so many on here are window shopping with other people’s credit card. The stadium location will ultimately come down to money. Both it’s source and amount. That’s not a bad thing, that’s just reality. As an architect involved in significant public improvement projects, it always comes down to that. Then, once established, you set out to design the very best facility possible based on the location and budget. It’s not complicated! But without knowing the source and amount of funding it’s a unsolvable math equation: too many variables. 

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yes, the Buffalo public meeting, as productive as past public meetings when residents tried to keep an abandoned factory from being demolished because their Grandpa worked there in the 1940’s, how the waterfront needs to be home of a new Seneca Native American Museum, old people holding “no new taxes” signs.

 

Ought to be super productive.

 

The NIMBYs are still upset about the silos being painted like Labatt's cans.

 

[DrDawkinstein]

 

[Dr. Who]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Our now Prime Minister wanted to build a floating airport in the Thames Estuary when he was Mayor of London. True story. 

You Brits don't have a monopoly on genius. We had a congressman here in Georgia who thought that an island might be sinking because of the weight of added military folk on an army base. 

[WhoTom]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

As a Government official of some years standing over here in the UK I can confirm that the golden rule of consultation is never consult unless you have already made up your mind  

 

Today they call it "Data Driven Decision Making" or DDDM. I used to teach at a college that was big on DDDM, but the way they implemented it, DDDM actually meant "Decision Driven Data Manipulation."

 

 

[WhoTom]

57 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

You Brits don't have a monopoly on genius. We had a congressman here in Georgia who thought that an island might be sinking because of the weight of added military folk on an army base. 

 

Not to mention the ones who think the sound from wind turbines can give you cancer, or that too many wind turbines could exacerbate global warming by slowing down the wind too much.

 

You have to pass a civil service exam to deliver mail; seems like there ought to be a basic skills and knowledge test for elected officials, too.

 

[bigK14094]

Politicians have to look at the downtown alternative.  Of course, the location is terrible but politicians will be politicians.  Should the politicians try to call the Pegula's out on the situation, the Pegs can argue their contribution should be limited to what their share of the OP alternative is, as they don't want to go downtown.  All in all, I have seen this movie before, and this remake bores me.

53 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

Today they call it "Data Driven Decision Making" or DDDM. I used to teach at a college that was big on DDDM, but the way they implemented it, DDDM actually meant "Decision Driven Data Manipulation."

 

 

Decision Dialog Risk Management is a respected method fyi.  Alphabet hash!

[Direhard Fan]

Thats what triple D is?  I always thought it was something else.  Learn something new every day.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

...he used to use words that Rex wouldn't be able to say let alone spell. 

'Diet'?

[boater]

As I said in another thread: this is why WNY can't have nice things. Special interest groups and bush league politicians get their greasy mitts on anything and it's DOA. WNY is trapped in the land that time forgot.

 

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Representatives with PSE have gone on record saying that a lease for the current stadium will not be renewed, unless there is a signed agreement to build a new stadium. 

 

Signature Peace Bridge, here we go again. There will be moving vans pulling up to One Bills Drive in 2023.

 

OTH.. kill the metro rail extension. It's a stupid idea only wanted by NFTA Contracting Officers, and construction unions.

Edited October 22, 2021 by boater

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 hours ago, boater said:

As I said in another thread: this is why WNY can't have nice things. Special interest groups and bush league politicians get their greasy mitts on anything and it's DOA. WNY is trapped in the land that time forgot.

 

 

Signature Peace Bridge, here we go again. There will be moving vans pulling up to One Bills Drive in 2023.

 

OTH.. kill the metro rail extension. It's a stupid idea only wanted by NFTA Contracting Officers, and construction unions.

Moving vans are not coming. Bills aren’t going anywhere, if they were then the state would’ve be looking into a down town stadium and the OP stadium would’ve fallen on deaf ears. Trust me, these politicians aren’t going to let the Bills walk away on their watch

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, boater said:

As I said in another thread: this is why WNY can't have nice things. Special interest groups and bush league politicians get their greasy mitts on anything and it's DOA. WNY is trapped in the land that time forgot.

 

 

Signature Peace Bridge, here we go again. There will be moving vans pulling up to One Bills Drive in 2023.

 

OTH.. kill the metro rail extension. It's a stupid idea only wanted by NFTA Contracting Officers, and construction unions.

The bills are not moving

[Augie]

39 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

The bills are not moving

 

I’m guessing he’s enjoying his Friday night? The Bills will be staying. 

 

I know very, VERY little about downtown. I don’t know enough to have much of an opinion on this. I know I love games in OP. I’m sure I’d love games downtown. Both have advantages and disadvantages. I will say for the thousandth time, as long as they remain in WNY I’m all in!  

[Irv]

Let's say the Peguals pay 30% and the state pays 70%.  Would the Pegulas own the whole stadium?  Anybody?  Kind of wondering to myself what the Peguals want.  Are they better off owning the stadium or a portion of it, or are they better off letting the state pay for the construction and leasing the stadium back?  Anybody?

[cba fan]

56 minutes ago, Irv said:

Let's say the Peguals pay 30% and the state pays 70%.  Would the Pegulas own the whole stadium?  Anybody?  Kind of wondering to myself what the Peguals want.  Are they better off owning the stadium or a portion of it, or are they better off letting the state pay for the construction and leasing the stadium back?  Anybody?

since virtually every pro lease gives NFL team virtually all income from the stadium and other events. It would be in Pegs best financial interest to not own it.

[Don Otreply]

On 10/22/2021 at 4:22 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Our now Prime Minister wanted to build a floating airport in the Thames Estuary when he was Mayor of London. True story. 

Well, it is Boris after all, the original crew of Top Gear always had nice things to say about him…, 😁

On 10/22/2021 at 5:56 PM, Buffalo716 said:

The bills are not moving

He loves saying this stuff, makes him feel smart I guess…, 

 

Go Bills!!!

[BaaadThingsMan]

***** jerrrah jones!

[TheFunPolice]

public hearing are just opportunities for fringe players with agendas to grandstand and complicate the situation

 

If your opinion is "yay! New Bills stadium!" you're probably not going to bother going to the meeting. If you have a burning passion for fighting for some agenda you'll be there, and you'll make a scene. Then that becomes the story.

 

Either way, I think it's a done deal and it's just a matter of who pays what. Bills are not going anywhere. 

[Greg S]

On 10/22/2021 at 8:56 PM, Buffalo716 said:

The bills are not moving

 

Actually they are. They will be moving into their new stadium in OP when its ready

[LabattBlue]

2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

public hearing are just opportunities for fringe players with agendas to grandstand and complicate the situation

 

If your opinion is "yay! New Bills stadium!" you're probably not going to bother going to the meeting. If you have a burning passion for fighting for some agenda you'll be there, and you'll make a scene. Then that becomes the story.

 

Either way, I think it's a done deal and it's just a matter of who pays what. Bills are not going anywhere. 

This 100%. 
 

Guaranteed that some local politician or community activist will do their best to bring this to a screeching halt in order to get their 15 minutes of fame.   The question is, will they succeed in derailing the project? 

Edited October 26, 2021 by BTB

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

Really good article on Buffalo Rising that was published yesterday (as a side note, Buffalo Rising is a must read for anyone who wants to keep up with all the great stuff going on in WNY)...it makes the case for the Bills stadium to be built next to the Central Terminal and I have to say I never thought about that as a option, but I kind of like it.

 

The article lays out a lot of good points and I can't list them all, but the fact that it would be close to downtown but has way more available land/parking than true downtown sites means that the cost would presumably be lower and that all of the tailgating people love could still happen...don't know if it could actually happen, but I think this idea could be a winner and hope it at least gets considered. 

 

Would be interested to hear what others think!

 

https://www.buffalorising.com/2021/10/the-buffalo-bills-the-buffalo-central-terminal/

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Can we trust Roger?

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/m/a7ae6fba-c1d2-30e4-82c5-fe4e558d347a/nfl-commissioner-roger.html

 

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell says Bills stadium talks "progressing in a positive way"

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

This has “useless” written all over it