YoloinOhio Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 41 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Hockey players don't need to catch passes from Josh Allen. For the first couple weeks he is back I wouldn’t be surprised if they used him as more of a blocker (and a decoy given what he’s put on film so far) to give the hand more time before the Allen bullets fly into it again. But they should be able to test in practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: For the first couple weeks he is back I wouldn’t be surprised if they used him as more of a blocker (and a decoy given what he’s put on film so far) to give the hand more time before the Allen bullets fly into it again. But they should be able to test in practice. I feel about that like I feel about the team putting Milano out there when he couldn't lift his arm to tackle last season. If the guy can't do the whole job, rehab him until he can. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I feel about that like I feel about the team putting Milano out there when he couldn't lift his arm to tackle last season. If the guy can't do the whole job, rehab him until he can. Agreed. I'd have IR'd him for at least the minimum 3 weeks. Then either promote Warring and have a proper look or, alternatively, if they want a blocker Virgil Green is still out there unsigned and has been one of the better blocking tight ends in football in recent years. He is 33 and coming off an injury last season but if he still wants to play they could do worse than bring him in for a short term measure as a vet presence and blocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpsuit Jim Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Kelvin Benjamin’s time is now!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Agreed. I'd have IR'd him for at least the minimum 3 weeks. Then either promote Warring and have a proper look or, alternatively, if they want a blocker Virgil Green is still out there unsigned and has been one of the better blocking tight ends in football in recent years. He is 33 and coming off an injury last season but if he still wants to play they could do worse than bring him in for a short term measure as a vet presence and blocker. IR is not minimum 3 weeks. It's 3 games. So if we IR Knox now, he's out for 4 weeks. Unless there's someone we want to trade for or sign off the street, we apparently don't need to make a decision about IR'ing Knox until the Sat. before the MIA game. So it only makes sense to wait almost 2 weeks and have a look at how his hand is progressing. If it wasn't a complete break but only a partial fracture and it's been pinned, it's not impossible he might be able to just miss the MIA game and come back the next week. (be MIA the MIA game?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: This is from when he threw the pass for the 2 pt conversion is he really flicking someone off???!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: For the first couple weeks he is back I wouldn’t be surprised if they used him as more of a blocker (and a decoy given what he’s put on film so far) to give the hand more time before the Allen bullets fly into it again. But they should be able to test in practice. I can't imagine blocking is somehow easier on his hand than catching a pass. I mean I know Josh throws the ball hard and we make jokes about it but come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: is he really flicking someone off???!! Yes and hopefully it was vrabel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I can't imagine blocking is somehow easier on his hand than catching a pass. I mean I know Josh throws the ball hard and we make jokes about it but come on. The only thing about blocking, is that like Incognito who played with his hands practically taped into clubs they can put a brace on his hand/arm and tape the hell out of it and protect the hand for blocking. Whereas I'm not sure how you can brace a broken hand for catching a pass without interfering with pass-catching ability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The only thing about blocking, is that like Incognito who played with his hands practically taped into clubs they can put a brace on his hand/arm and tape the hell out of it and protect the hand for blocking. Whereas I'm not sure how you can brace a broken hand for catching a pass without interfering with pass-catching ability Right but if they did that he wouldn't be much of a decoy in the passing game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 6:27 PM, The Jokeman said: If he is out for a few weeks IR him and add a vet to replace him ASAP. Maybe sign Richard Rodgers off the Eagles PS now to get him acclimated to the playbook and ready to play against Miami. I'd rather they move Quentin Morris off the practice Squad and let him play a few weeks. He's intrigued me since we signed him. I believe I read he is a former basketball player. All those guys seem to workout at TE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I am very skeptical that if and when he comes back he is going to in any condition to play the way he did in the first five games. I almost feel like they should write him off for at least a couple of months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: is he really flicking someone off???!! 48 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes and hopefully it was vrabel Not to be a party pooper, but I think he’s playfully flipping off Josh. Josh had tried to wave that play off, knowing that Knox’s hand was hurt. Knox insisted that they stick with it any way. Given that fact and the fact that he’s facing Josh while flipping the bird, I conclude that #17 is the most likely target. Edited October 22, 2021 by Logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Logic said: Not to be a party pooper, but I think he’s playfully flipping off Josh. Josh had tried to wave that play off, knowing that Knox’s hand was hurt. Knox insisted that they stick with it any way. Given that fact and the fact that he’s facing Josh while flipping the bird, I conclude that #17 is the most likely target. I agree, I was just being bitter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) Why not ship a 6th for Engram? Worst case Ontario, Knox’s injury affects him ROS & then we have an athletic TE to roll out. But let’s say Knox returns and is fine. Would the ability to go 2-TE with both being viable receiving threats be that awful? I like Sweeney & Gilliam, don’t get me wrong. But not against some more depth. Edited October 22, 2021 by JohnBonhamRocks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said: I'd rather they move Quentin Morris off the practice Squad and let him play a few weeks. He's intrigued me since we signed him. I believe I read he is a former basketball player. All those guys seem to workout at TE He's a former WR as recall and rather short for a TE at 6'2". 2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Why not ship a 6th for Engram? Worst case Ontario, Knox’s injury affects him ROS & then we have an athletic TE to roll out. But let’s say Knox returns and is fine. Would the ability to go 2-TE with both being viable receiving threats be that awful? I like Sweeney & Gilliam, don’t get me wrong. But not against some more depth. Making a roster spot for him if/when Knox healthy could prove to be an issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: He's a former WR as recall and rather short for a TE at 6'2". Making a roster spot for him if/when Knox healthy could prove to be an issue. He is over 250 pounds so yes he is a bit of a tweener. He can be called up from the PS for 2 weeks. That could be enough to get Knox back after the bye. Warring could get a one week call up if necessary. I don't think another TE from outside will be coming if Knox's recovery is looking good before the Miami game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: He's a former WR as recall and rather short for a TE at 6'2". Making a roster spot for him if/when Knox healthy could prove to be an issue. It could but *knocks on wood* I’d not be shocked if other Bills are injured 3-4 weeks from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I have no idea how good Warring is, but if they bring him up just for a couple of games and he shows real promise, the Bills will have to decide whether to put him back on the PS and risk someone else signing him away; or the Bills could keep Warring on the active roster and cut/PS/IR/trade someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Not this again. Just keep him out for the Jets game as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: OK so the news in that piece is that there were two broken bones, one of which didn't show up on the xray and was found during the surgery. I think that would have to be a hairline fracture, as those can be missed until about 2-3 weeks when they start to calcify. Other than that it's Garafolo's speculation, saying "3 weeks" but also "the timeline is fluid" which is just another way of saying "he plans to hit the earlier side of the 3-4 week estimate" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Keep him out until the Colts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, benderbender said: Keep him out until the Colts Not your fault at all, but it ticks me off when one media dude speculates in public, and then 3-4 others regurgitate the speculation as though it's some sort of definitive news. Shame on you Thad Brown and Bradley Gelber! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 9:59 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Hockey players don't need to catch passes from Josh Allen. No just vulcanized rubber, pucks. I accidently did one time, left a bruise on my hand for 2 weeks. It came off the boards and I reacted palm out... not one of my better reactions... not saying Allen's passes aren't hard... but try getting hit with a hockey puck sometime and then keep playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 longer article from Dr Kyle Trimble (aka "Banged Up Bills") on Knox hand injury. Includes hand anatomy and a sketch of the surgery likely performed https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/10/25/22739805/examining-dawson-knoxs-right-hand-fracture 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 And just when he was coming into his own. A recent article at NFL.com rated him the 3rd best TE in the league thus far in 2021. Terrible timing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 As others have mentioned, would be nice to get a TE like Engram in here, but I think the target should be Hayden Hurst. ATL just invested a ton of capital in Kyle Pitts, and he is already looking the part. I think we all remember Hayden Hurst from when he blew past the defense a couple years ago to win the BAL game. Engram needs to go to TE Academy, Hurst does not. Both would likely be later round compensation... I just don't have a lot of faith in our TE options after Knox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, Conlan58 said: As others have mentioned, would be nice to get a TE like Engram in here, but I think the target should be Hayden Hurst. ATL just invested a ton of capital in Kyle Pitts, and he is already looking the part. I think we all remember Hayden Hurst from when he blew past the defense a couple years ago to win the BAL game. Engram needs to go to TE Academy, Hurst does not. Both would likely be later round compensation... I just don't have a lot of faith in our TE options after Knox. We look to really have something in 11 personnel, and regardless of how good Knox is.. it wouldn't hurt to invest in a strong TE2. We could even roll out double TE sets to help the red zone run game with the threat of both guys being weapons in the pass game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: longer article from Dr Kyle Trimble (aka "Banged Up Bills") on Knox hand injury. Includes hand anatomy and a sketch of the surgery likely performed https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/10/25/22739805/examining-dawson-knoxs-right-hand-fracture Banged Up Bills is a good Twitter follow...he's solid when it comes to injuries and he foregoes all the hyperbole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Speaking of tight ends, I just found out that Tommy Sweeney went to Don Bosco High School in NJ: https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/12/sports/12preps.html. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Speaking of tight ends, I just found out that Tommy Sweeney went to Don Bosco High School in NJ: https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/12/sports/12preps.html. That’s a great program Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Wouldn’t mind Hurst but you are giving him too much credit on that TD. Poyer completely blew the coverage. Maybe so, but there aren't many TE's in the NFL that can take a pass 61 yards to the house and not get caught. Sure, Hyde was closing in on him, but he still got over 60 yards out of the play. I don't see any TE on the Bills roster outside of Knox that is a threat to take a pass and get 40 YAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 5:33 PM, Utah John said: I have no idea how good Warring is, but if they bring him up just for a couple of games and he shows real promise, the Bills will have to decide whether to put him back on the PS and risk someone else signing him away; or the Bills could keep Warring on the active roster and cut/PS/IR/trade someone else. Warring sucks. He was somewhat a joke in Houston, they used to call him "water polo boy". He is somewhat another potential "Bills project", he was "extremely raw" as a football player, looked more like an athletic model than football player. Put it this way, he was so bad the Texans cut him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 53 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Warring sucks. He was somewhat a joke in Houston, they used to call him "water polo boy". He is somewhat another potential "Bills project", he was "extremely raw" as a football player, looked more like an athletic model than football player. Put it this way, he was so bad the Texans cut him. I mean, to be fair, I'm not sure who the Texans cut trade or keep is a good barometer for football quality these last few years. Fundamentally, Kahale Warring is the equivalent of an International Pathways Program player from America: great size, elite athleticism, but very little football experience and a long history of injuries. One season in HS; Started 5 games in college; https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kahale-warring/32005741-5275-2700-ebaf-ccabda046f86 Quote Kahale Kuio Kalani Michael Wodehouse Warring was a latecomer to football, starring instead in just about every other sport possible (water polo, basketball, cross county, swimming, soccer and tennis) during his time at Sonora High School in California. His one season on the gridiron gained enough interest from SDSU that he was given a shot as a walk-on. Warring redshirted the 2015 season while bulking up, and then played in four games as a reserve (2-17-8.5, two touchdowns) the following year before a broken foot cut the year short. Coaches gave him a scholarship before the 2017 season, and he ended up starting 3 of 13 games played (18-248-13.8, three TD). Warring only started twice in 12 games played in 2018 but was still named honorable mention All-Mountain West because he led the Aztecs with 31 receptions (which went for 372 yards, 12.0 average, and three scores). He did not play in the team's bowl game due to a hamstring injury suffered in the regular-season finale. Interestingly, the normally pretty astute NFL.com and Lance Zierlein rated him "will be a starter within 2 seasons" while rating Dawson Knox "good backup who could become a starter". I guess they got that mixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Augie Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It’s just a flesh wound!!! 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It blows my mind what they can do with robotic instruments and surgeries now, and how small the incision areas are now for access since they have cameras etc. These kind of midseason surgeries on complex parts of the anatomy like joints, hands, fingers etc would be completely unheard of 15 years ago, or would have required major incisions and a lot more recovery time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 38 minutes ago, Augie said: It’s just a flesh wound!!! Not but a scratch…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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