Warcodered Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 46 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: Sports reporting , IMHO,(because im old) I'm sensing a pattern here. You and me both ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: I get that and agree that should be discussed. What I'm saying is that the Bills were beaten down last year by the Chiefs and went on a mission to get better in the areas they needed to. That came to fruition on SNF. The way the Bills have progressed since Rex drove off in his off season winning pickup is equally as big a story as the Chiefs demise. I'm struggling to find any content from a network where they don't revert straight back to what's wrong with the Chiefs. It was awesome to hear Kyle Brandt say exactly that. You realise talking heads on networks are not journalists, right? Peter King talked about the way the Bills attacked the offseason with Kansas City in his column. He also talked about the continued development of Josh Allen. He is a journalist. There are multiple pieces on the Athletic talking about it. What you are doing is putting on entertainment shows and then looking for journalism. You may as well watch Baywatch. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It is great. And I say that as a former journalist. You just couldn't help yourself. You just had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Chris Collinsworth = Fake News/reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 OP bemoans the lack (loss?) of "sports journalism"....and to point us toward where that profession should be, he cites a former soap opera actor (and executive producer of the shlockiest show on the airwaves--Jim Rome) turned football "TV Personality" ranting about what's wrong with the all the OTHER football talking heads Priceless... If irony existed anymore, this would count. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Once Social Media took over the world(for the worse) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: I agree here, but it hasn't totally been their decision alone. They're catering to their audience. The audience drives their decisions. In this case, KC/Mahomes is obviously what the majority of the audience wants to hear about. I assume the KC market is what brings in more of the money. The same reason we hear so much about the Cowboys, the Dolphins, the NJ teams, etc in the offseason, no matter how good they are. This is exactly right. More people want to hear about certain other teams than want to hear about the Bills, so they talk about the Bills as little as possible. The Bills get only as much prime time coverage as the Bills, by virtue of winning, force the media to give. The Cowboys get the coverage year after year, because for whatever reason, a lot people want to hear about the Cowboys. The Brady coverage is ridiculous. Over and over, blah, blah, blah. I've said this before. I heard Colin Cowherd say on one of his shows that people should stop sending him emails saying stop talking about Tim Tebow. He said when fans start changing stations when the Tebow talk starts, they'll stop talking about him. But as long as people keep listening for Tebow news, they'll keep talking about him. Bills will not get coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipkid Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: 2 words Social Media 2 more words Controversy sells Yep. But it’s not social media, per se. It’s the problem with giving something for free while still wanting to creat billionaire tech entrepreneurs. The only option is to depend on advertising revenue. Then, we become the product and the advertisers are the customer. The result is that “journalists” have to create clickbait to be in business. I don’t have a subscription, but the $1/month user fee for The Athletic is working toward a solution—a small user-fee reduces the reliance on advertising and makes people at least a bit more of a customer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 The biggest “problem” as I see it is that often you don’t know who is legitimately presenting an opinion and analysis, and who is simply trying to stoke the fire of controversy to get “clicks.” If you pay attention long enough you figure it out, which is why I actually like GMFB. They are having fun and while yes, they are also focused on their social media, I don’t get the impression they are just trying to make people mad for a reaction. I despise guys like Stephen A. Smith but in a way I have to admire him. He has embraced a role that is completely void of true insight and reason to become the highest paid sports broadcaster around. It’s nuts. The good ones are there if you look hard enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 When Sully left the News. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, dwight in philly said: Speaking for myself, i dont.. because i choose to not use a "cell phone" .. Good God man! How do you watch midget porn?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: This is where all the Athletic influencers come in to tell us how great it is for only $1 a month. Y'know, it just might be a point that folks these days want Champagne journalism on a Free Beer journalism budget Print newspaper subscriptions have gone way down, but folks want equal or better journalism to what their subscriptions and advertisments used to support, without paying a dime. And if someone who enjoys it says "y'know, I get some quality journalism at TBN and at the Athletic, and it's drinkable at Korbel Brut type prices for a 6 month trial", then they get dismissed as "influencers" I could be wrong, I am an old fogey, but I THINK "influencers" are social media types who get free product and then get paid to display it or talk about it on their social media accounts. Rachel Bush is an "influencer" or used to be. Brittney Williams is an "influencer". I neither get free product, nor pay. I'm just not complaining about how sucky sports journalism is with my subscriptions. Well, except Gamepass. If that counts as "sports journalism" (uncertain) I'm sure AF complaining about it! 22 minutes ago, Rico said: When Sully left the News. That's....sarcasm? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Kc is more popular so they want to keep that narrative going. Like Dallas is America's team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its Allen the hips Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: I'm not from this country but I've lived in the US for 27 years. I clearly remember when the amount of coverage a team\player got was based on how well they played. Sadly not the case any more. I know this happened slowly but I'm having a hard time remembering when things changed to the extent that they are today. Watching Kyle Brandt just now on One Bills Live was music to my ears. Why isn't there more content like what he's suggesting. The Bills win big in KC and yet all they talk about is KC and Mahomes. Why can't Josh, Beane etc get some love. Does Kyle Brandt tell us what toppings he likes on his ice cream? I feel like he’s a nestle crunch guy with hot fudge angrily running down the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Never had a facebook account, or a twitter account Maslow likes this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 hours ago, K-9 said: That’s on us as consumers for providing the market for it. yes stop the click baits...they will go away automatically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: You realise talking heads on networks are not journalists, right? Peter King talked about the way the Bills attacked the offseason with Kansas City in his column. He also talked about the continued development of Josh Allen. He is a journalist. There are multiple pieces on the Athletic talking about it. What you are doing is putting on entertainment shows and then looking for journalism. You may as well watch Baywatch. Couldn't agree more and not just sports or even media in general. In every aspect of the human condition the entertainment/advertising mode outshines everything else. It takes work and a conscious effort to even keep it controlled in my (our) own lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Bills will not get coverage. Oh yes they will. If we make it to the Super Bowl, and especially if we win a Super Bowl. Ask yourself: did KC get a lot of media attention, a lot of prime time games when they were a really good team, losing playoff games with Alex Smith? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Oh yes they will. If we make it to the Super Bowl, and especially if we win a Super Bowl. Ask yourself: did KC get a lot of media attention, a lot of prime time games when they were a really good team, losing playoff games with Alex Smith? Yes. You're right. That's what I meant when I said the media will only cover the Bills when the Bills make them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: I'm not from this country but I've lived in the US for 27 years. I clearly remember when the amount of coverage a team\player got was based on how well they played. Sadly not the case any more. I know this happened slowly but I'm having a hard time remembering when things changed to the extent that they are today. Watching Kyle Brandt just now on One Bills Live was music to my ears. Why isn't there more content like what he's suggesting. The Bills win big in KC and yet all they talk about is KC and Mahomes. Why can't Josh, Beane etc get some love. You're kidding yourself. It was always like this. People don't want to hear about the best team. They want to hear the best story. The two are often the same but not always. The fall of the king is generally a better story than somebody new being good. Your memory is wrong if you think there wasn't more about the Cowboys around back in the '70s and '80s because they were America's team. Whether they sucked that year or not. In any case, there's a ton about the Bills all over the news right now. Edited October 13, 2021 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 5 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said: The term "journalism" is long dead. It is now advancing an agenda and yes even in sports. So i made a mistake and heard about how Lamar Jackson "heroically" won the gams on MNF. Not a peep about the goofy be speckled kicker that missed a PAT and field goals but the hero Lamar, now the MVP front runner won it. I can tell most of the times the "take" some blabbering East Coast/West coast egotist is going to take. Now with 24/7 media and widespread free social media, the "truth" or reality is whatever you want to hear. There is still plenty of solid journalism out there. (True, long form sports journalism in particular doesn't seem to have a huge target audience these days, when I think of the attention span of the average fan.) Unfortunately, it is now awash in a warm sea of shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Y'know, it just might be a point that folks these days want Champagne journalism on a Free Beer journalism budget Print newspaper subscriptions have gone way down, but folks want equal or better journalism to what their subscriptions and advertisments used to support, without paying a dime. And if someone who enjoys it says "y'know, I get some quality journalism at TBN and at the Athletic, and it's drinkable at Korbel Brut type prices for a 6 month trial", then they get dismissed as "influencers" I could be wrong, I am an old fogey, but I THINK "influencers" are social media types who get free product and then get paid to display it or talk about it on their social media accounts. Rachel Bush is an "influencer" or used to be. Brittney Williams is an "influencer". I neither get free product, nor pay. I'm just not complaining about how sucky sports journalism is with my subscriptions. Well, except Gamepass. If that counts as "sports journalism" (uncertain) I'm sure AF complaining about it! You just had to do it. You just couldn't help yourself. Seriously, how much are they paying you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: You just had to do it. You just couldn't help yourself. Seriously, how much are they paying you? How many mushrooms do you consume daily? Go eat a snack and purge yourself of these delusions that anyone who recommends something they enjoy must be paid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 6 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: I'm not from this country but I've lived in the US for 27 years. I clearly remember when the amount of coverage a team\player got was based on how well they played. Sadly not the case any more. I know this happened slowly but I'm having a hard time remembering when things changed to the extent that they are today. Watching Kyle Brandt just now on One Bills Live was music to my ears. Why isn't there more content like what he's suggesting. The Bills win big in KC and yet all they talk about is KC and Mahomes. Why can't Josh, Beane etc get some love. Brandt is predicting 21 - 20 with a late crucial bass fg. So he's thinking 3 tds 3 missed xps the in waning seconds bass redeems his 3 missed xps with gw fg to win by a point. Cause that's only scenario that fits his score prediction. I'd rather just see offense just go crazy on titans while the defense keeps doing its turnover thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: How many mushrooms do you consume daily? Go eat a snack and purge yourself of these delusions that anyone who recommends something they enjoy must be paid. How much do you think they'd pay me to be a mushroom influencer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 the part i hate the most is no one proof reads anything anymore. it used to be that finding an error...rather misspelled word or a wrong name was very rare... last night i read the yahoo article quoting Allen throwing 3 interceptions rather than touchdowns.. Then tonight I find out Nick Fierro from Bills Central on Fan Nation thinks Trevon Diggs plays wr for us. Its disappointing to say the least. I did read a ton of coverage about the Bills though and all mentioned we kicked KC's ass. Not to mention most have the Bills as the team to beat and rated #1. Cant complain about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 It was never that great in the first place. Big markets and stars were always favored not to mention East Coast bias. On top of that sports journalism always included a lot of sensationalism. Is it worse now? I would say clickbait has become an issue but there are also more outlets online where you can find better opinions and more detailed analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 14 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: . Watching Kyle Brandt just now on One Bills Live was music to my ears. Why isn't there more content like what he's suggesting. . Here you go... lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Kc is more popular so they want to keep that narrative going. Like Dallas is America's team Exactly. Which is why for example Cowherd always had a Cowboys/Lebron James story chambered for rainy days. My theory has always been that national shows choose stories by market first, then by how compelling the story is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) Too much content. If there’s a market for it, it will be made regardless of how bad the content is. People have more free time and are always on their devices. Also harder to read longer articles on a smartphone. So now it’s all clips, blurbs and hot takes, and we’re all dumber for it. Edited October 13, 2021 by BuffaloRebound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 The idea that there is supposed to be some sort of integrity or honor in Sports Reporting is pretty laughable. ALL sports reporting is simply another branch of marketing for leagues, and "news" on a form of entertainment. Always has been, always will be. We're talking about Sports. Not the Government. Not Foreign Wars. Not Labor issues. Not the environment... "Sports". This is like asking what happened to "Music Journalism"? Or "Film Journalism". Who cares. Keep your expectations low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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