notwoz Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 I'm not sure the Belichick vs. Brady argument will ever die a natural death, but here's an interesting look at the Belichick-Brady dynamic. There is an undercurrent of thought that the pair were ideally suited to creating a dynasty. The two created an insurmountable opponent, they managed to dominate the NFL for two decades. However, that's about to change: "Brady’s pewter-clad arrival at Gillette Stadium, the place where he won 20 playoff games and raised six Super Bowl banners, will provide a visceral reminder of the biggest decision Belichick got wrong." Ultimately, the author assumes Brady will win Sunday's game, and pins the blame on Belichick for letting Brady go too early and for placing his need for "legacy" and "hierarchy" over the continued success of the team (i.e. Brady's ability to attract high-profile free agents). https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/09/30/bill-belichick-legacy-tom-brady/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Can't wait for this ***** game to be over 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Brady. Not even a question in my mind. 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar High JA17 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Belichick or Brady? Brady no doubt! Belicheck : Cleveland Browns (1991–1995) 36W–44L ....Without Brady Brady: GOAT... QB From a Bills fan saying this, I wish brady was never born LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 how is this even possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epictetus Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Asking which is more important, Brady or Belichick, is like asking which is more important for binocular vision, the left eye or the right eye. If Tom Brady had been drafted in the 5th round by your least favorite coach, he would not be what he is now. If Belichick had drafted anyone else, he would have far fewer Super Bowel rings today. It was a marriage made in heaven (or hell if you dislike them both). I am rooting for a scoreless tie myself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Not sure why this is/was even a question in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 I’ll just put it this way: it’s been my experience that great QBs will get you thru times of poor coaching far more often than poor QBs will get you thru times of great coaching. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: I’ll just put it this way: it’s been my experience that great QBs will get you thru times of poor coaching far more often than poor QBs will get you thru times of great coaching. Agree and imo one of those things that kinda goes without saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 It’s the pats, the most nefarious / cheating team in the history of the NFL as we know it, so the answer is nothing to do with the pats is important, they are a massive blemish on the history of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 The cheater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 I’m not familiar with either one of these guys. Were they front office guys somewhere? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 These 2 men have practically ruined the NFL. It's really all about them at this point. It was really the combo, just like Walsh/Montana. Neither is as good on their own. People say Brady won a SB without Bill - but the Buc D won that game. Can't wait until they're both retired. Which reminds me - for the Pats/Bills matchup at home, I'd love it if we had some signs to counter the Patriots fans tired "we're still here!" thing. Maybe "you're not here anymore," or "where are you now?" Those seem lame. Open to suggestions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Epictetus said: Asking which is more important, Brady or Belichick, is like asking which is more important for binocular vision, the left eye or the right eye. If Tom Brady had been drafted in the 5th round by your least favorite coach, he would not be what he is now. If Belichick had drafted anyone else, he would have far fewer Super Bowel rings today. It was a marriage made in heaven (or hell if you dislike them both). I am rooting for a scoreless tie myself. Bruce Arians disagrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 I like them both equally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 As we all are aware of the "misinterpreting of the rules" multiple times, but do you think the one when they took a little air out of the ball made much of a difference? Was it made a bigger deal than it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I’m not familiar with either one of these guys. Were they front office guys somewhere? junior-level scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 I think Bill was more important.... If the Pats had Brett and Aaron over the same time I think they still win 6 rings. If Brady was with the Pack does he still get 6? I get that Tom won one with the Bucks. But, Winston threw for over 5000 yards the year before. When Tom came so did some more great weapons. Bill winning 7 games with the roster he had and Cam is actually impressive. Tom has been great for a long time, but Bills' building the organization/team and the game plans are of greater value imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Belichick for the first three and Brady for the last three. I'd pry go 60% Brady and 40% Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Well let's look at it this way. Aside from Belichick's record with the Browns, in 2000 the Pats went 5-11. In 2001 they were 0-2 before Brady started his first game. As I remember, there was a lot of talk about the Pats having an awful O-line when Bledsoe was starting. It looked completely different when Brady and his incredible pocket awareness went in. There is a hell of a lot of evidence that Belichick is an average head coach when Brady isn't in the building Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 There are very few people that hate BB more than me, but an avg. coach is not true. He prepared for so many teams differently and yes, had Brady to cover up so much, but he’s still an excellent coach. When I opened this thread, I was thinking, another BB vs. Brady thread. After reading the editorial, the author was pretty much on point. I credit the success far more to Bradyover BB, but to say BB is a below avg. to avg. coach is just not true. So tonight, my hope is the game ends 52-3 Tampa. I want to see Arians motioning to Brady to come out, and Brady motion back, screw that and then score again. I hope he buries BB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Epictetus said: I am rooting for a scoreless tie myself. My favorite way of expressing this is: I'm rooting for the blimp to crash in to the stadium. Edited October 3, 2021 by Philly McButterpants 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Brady is on the field playing, as much as I hate giving him any props, I'd vote that he's more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 This question has been answered, proven and quantified.Without Brady Belicheat is just an above average HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Brady. Don’t like him, but that’s how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Belichick isn't an average coach, that's just silly. But Brady is far & away the best to ever do it. A coach can be the smartest person in the game, but on-field execution & good decision-making matters the most. Brady excelled at that, has managed to outlast all his peers, and put so much distance between him & other QB's in terms of Super Bowls, post-season wins, and countless other records, it'll be nearly impossible for anyone to ever touch it. There's almost no way another WR touches Jerry Rice's numbers. There's actually no way another QB goes to 10 Super Bowls & wins 7. If it does somehow happen, it'll be long after I'm dead, so I'll go to my grave believing I was right anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Marcia, Marcia, Marcia. the above statement is open to interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 On 10/2/2021 at 6:43 PM, notwoz said: I'm not sure the Belichick vs. Brady argument will ever die a natural death, but here's an interesting look at the Belichick-Brady dynamic. There is an undercurrent of thought that the pair were ideally suited to creating a dynasty. The two created an insurmountable opponent, they managed to dominate the NFL for two decades. Belicheat. Cheating in all phases was what transformed team into a winning one and the fact they could not stop after being caught or almost caught shows how important it was in their winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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