Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I would have it where the Bill's start doing what Dan Henning use to do I would run no huddle but work the play clock and have the Bill's wide receivers motion all over the place where you would get Diggs Beasley and Sanders on mismatches forcing defenses to guess who is lining up where Kansas City does it all the time with Hill. Why can't the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 16 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: I would have it where the Bill's start doing what Dan Henning use to do I would run no huddle but work the play clock and have the Bill's wide receivers motion all over the place where you would get Diggs Beasley and Sanders on mismatches forcing defenses to guess who is lining up where Kansas City does it all the time with Hill. Why can't the Bills. Is that all one sentence? I am a big no huddle fan, but I think we are getting enough mismatches already. They just need to get their timing and chemistry down. I do think we mix in no huddle from time to time, when we catch teams with the wrong personnel on the field. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 How about Cole Beasley starts to get open on a consistent basis like he used to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kornfed Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 How bout Josh sets his base when he throws?? 4 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Throw the ball 60 + times....its obvious 50 plus doesn't work 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I would move the whole offense to the punt team and play 1 on 11 with Taiwan Jones. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I don’t have data but what I see is a little indecisiveness fro Josh compared to last year. I think fixing it starts and ends with Josh. And I think it will be fixed, we know he can do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Can we get the chiefs OL ? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: Throw the ball 60 + times....its obvious 50 plus doesn't work Haha. Yes. Gotta play more aggressive regardless of outcome so things are exciting for fans. @Billsfan1972 agrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, njbuff said: How about Cole Beasley starts to get open on a consistent basis like he used to. Beasley with 12 Receptions. Diggs with 13. Two games. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaDigital Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, Kornfed said: How bout Josh sets his base when he throws?? This. He has 258 million reasons to get this correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Can we get the chiefs OL ? I have watched a lot of games over the last two weeks and from my observation the refs seem to be very inconsistent with their calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan boy '92 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Two things. Pit and Mia both have top defensive talent. Along with copying Holmgren's afccg plan to rush four and drop everybody else into coverage. It's a rough combo for the first two weeks of the season, especially on Bills' receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbite Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Run the ball. Make them commit extra guys in the box. It'll open things up. 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: I would have it where the Bill's start doing what Dan Henning use to do I would run no huddle but work the play clock and have the Bill's wide receivers motion all over the place where you would get Diggs Beasley and Sanders on mismatches forcing defenses to guess who is lining up where Kansas City does it all the time with Hill. Why can't the Bills. Pittsburgh did some strange zone stuff and essentially left people open, had pressure from 4, and took away a lot of that mid-range stuff he likes. Miami game was just... weird. Brutal 2nd quarter of offense. Seemed to be a lot of throwaways in the game. In the 2nd half they only had 4 possessions, they drove down and scored through the air which was pretty promising, 2nd drive they stalled (but flipped the field), and the last 2 drives only had 100 or so yards total to go to score 2 TDs and called 9 runs on those drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 37 minutes ago, DeltaDigital said: This. He has 258 million reasons to get this correct. He already has $150 million. I think he’ll be okay no matter the final outcome. 😀 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Frostbite said: Run the ball. Make them commit extra guys in the box. It'll open things up. Yep - If they wanna play 2 safeties high you need to hammer them on the ground. The other thing is - if they're in zones like cover 2/3/4, there's like always someone open for a short gain. Screens, plays to the flats, get blockers out in front and just make them play closer to the LOS. This week were playing ron rivera, so allen should have some familiarity with the defense they play. Attack the middle of the field with knox, sanders, bease, and attack the boundary with short stuff to singletary. Edited September 21, 2021 by dneveu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, mattynh said: I don’t have data but what I see is a little indecisiveness fro Josh compared to last year. I think fixing it starts and ends with Josh. And I think it will be fixed, we know he can do it. I think so too. I’m not a fan of establishing a running attack but I think they need to run more time when facing a lighter box, especially when facing a strong pass rush 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, JohnNord said: I think so too. I’m not a fan of establishing a running attack but I think they need to run more time when facing a lighter box, especially when facing a strong pass rush He got his ass kicked in pittsburgh (hit like 15 times, plus i feel like he got hit on a lot of his scrambles too), and the clock seems off. Ball out quick early in this one and take your shots when they adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Josh is like a freight train. Sometimes he is tough to get rolling, but once he does you can't slow him down. Some of it is easy completions. But sometimes it is getting him moving around in the pocket or on QB powers. But when guys make plays with the ball in their hands, Josh tends to as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Get the quick passing game going early and often. Get Allen on the move with bootlegs and rollouts. Emulate how the Chiefs get a ton of YAC on short passes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Frostbite said: Run the ball. Make them commit extra guys in the box. It'll open things up. Yep. Occam's Razor. The simplest answer is usually correct. Come out and run the ball aggressively. Let the OL take it to the DL for a little bit, get them on their heals, make them run sideline to sideline, then go to play action passes. Really isn't that complicated or difficult. And we already saw the immediate benefit that comes with a merely half-assed threat of a running game against Miami as compared to Pittsburgh. Edited September 21, 2021 by DrDawkinstein 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Yep. Occam's Razor. The simplest answer is usually correct. Come out and run the ball aggressively. Let the OL take it to the DL for a little bit, get them on their heals, make them run sideline to sideline, then go to play action passes. Really isn't that complicated or difficult. And we already saw the immediate benefit that comes with a merely half-assed threat of a running game against Miami as compared to Pittsburgh. Yep - take the shots in PA. If you're spreading them out, the ball should be out quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Is that all one sentence? I am a big no huddle fan, but I think we are getting enough mismatches already. They just need to get their timing and chemistry down. I do think we mix in no huddle from time to time, when we catch teams with the wrong personnel on the field. It's a no huddle sentence. No time for punctuation. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Get the quick passing game going early and often. Get Allen on the move with bootlegs and rollouts. Emulate how the Chiefs get a ton of YAC on short passes. I will add to this that Allen seems to get in a groove when guys are making plays with the ball in their hand, not just completing catches. So I think it is less about completions, and more about guys making plays. It feels like in the past completing 6 curl routes in a row with a total of 10 YAC between all of them, doesn't get Allen going. Hitting guys on the move does. Totally agree on getting Allen going with his legs. Sometimes it feels like him getting tackled after a big game gets him locked in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, dneveu said: Yep - If they wanna play 2 safeties high you need to hammer them on the ground. The other thing is - if they're in zones like cover 2/3/4, there's like always someone open for a short gain. Screens, plays to the flats, get blockers out in front and just make them play closer to the LOS. This week were playing ron rivera, so allen should have some familiarity with the defense they play. Attack the middle of the field with knox, sanders, bease, and attack the boundary with short stuff to singletary. Screens apparently take a highly functioning, skilled oline. We're not there yet. (Wish we were.) Rodgers ran the ball last night a bunch against the 2 safety high thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, dneveu said: Yep - take the shots in PA. If you're spreading them out, the ball should be out quick. 1 minute ago, Mango said: I will add to this that Allen seems to get in a groove when guys are making plays with the ball in their hand, not just completing catches. So I think it is less about completions, and more about guys making plays. It feels like in the past completing 6 curl routes in a row with a total of 10 YAC between all of them, doesn't get Allen going. Hitting guys on the move does. Totally agree on getting Allen going with his legs. Sometimes it feels like him getting tackled after a big game gets him locked in. I'd also run Allen a couple times early as well. Let him take a couple of manageable hits to calm him down and get him settled into the game. I know folks hate this idea, but it seems to have more upside than risk as long as he can just take what they give him and then get down or out of bounds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: I would have it where the Bill's start doing what Dan Henning use to do I would run no huddle but work the play clock and have the Bill's wide receivers motion all over the place where you would get Diggs Beasley and Sanders on mismatches forcing defenses to guess who is lining up where Kansas City does it all the time with Hill. Why can't the Bills. Myself, before trying to fix something, I think it's useful to decide what the problems actually are. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 2 keys for this week that I haven't seen mentioned much 1. Especially at home, mix up the snap count. Don't give the defense a head start by using a predictable snap / count. 2. Josh needs to do a better job using his eyes to look off defenders. He was doing a great job of it last year, but this year his eyes are frequently giving away where he wants to go with the ball all game long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 59 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Screens apparently take a highly functioning, skilled oline. We're not there yet. (Wish we were.) Rodgers ran the ball last night a bunch against the 2 safety high thing. Honestly screens are more for blitzes, i mean more sideline cutback stuff that we try to occaisionally run against bail coverage to bease. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said: I would have it where the Bill's start doing what Dan Henning use to do I would run no huddle but work the play clock and have the Bill's wide receivers motion all over the place where you would get Diggs Beasley and Sanders on mismatches forcing defenses to guess who is lining up where Kansas City does it all the time with Hill. Why can't the Bills. Excellent. I will pass this on to Daboll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I think its just Josh is having confidence issues and when it comes back, you’ll see 2020 Josh again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 23 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think its just Josh is having confidence issues and when it comes back, you’ll see 2020 Josh again. I think if josh knows his defense is legit and can go out there and shut opposing offenses down. And he knows that he can play conservative I think josh will be back on track. But if he is seating on the bench watching opposing offenses hold the ball for long periods of time and score than Josh will be forced to be out of his comfort zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuseBill Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I would instruct Josh to throw the ball right into the receivers' hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 hour ago, BTB said: Excellent. I will pass this on to Daboll. Good and in the next game he starts to implement this I will be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think its just Josh is having confidence issues and when it comes back, you’ll see 2020 Josh again. I think 2020 josh looked much worse against a tough 4 man rush and the rest of the d in coverage and were already seeing a better josh than last year...people just don't realize it because they only care about stats and a qb is never allowed to miss an open receiver even though that consistently happens league wide especially early in the season lol the amount of teams that can pull that off personnel wise are slim and we just happened to face two of them in a row Edited September 21, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Bangarang said: Get the quick passing game going early and often. Get Allen on the move with bootlegs and rollouts. Emulate how the Chiefs get a ton of YAC on short passes. Yeah basically what they did with the starting o in the preseason Dink dunk drive and make those ends bust their tail to come up empty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 I'll state what I stated months ago. Last year's Bills lived off the scramble drill. Josh would leave the pocked left or right, the receivers would break of their routes and Josh would hit them with significant separation. This year, he is trying to get it to them in their normal routes. Not his strength, and not theirs. Run the scramble drill and watch what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 9 hours ago, Frostbite said: Run the ball. Make them commit extra guys in the box. It'll open things up. This right here^^^ it doesn’t have to be every game, it can be for half a quarter or one or two quarters of a game, relevant to the opponents pass defense success, it’s not rocket science, and our guys are plenty smart enough to switch back and forth between run and pass pro blocking, it just takes the will to do it, cough cough Brian Dabol…, Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 It begins and ends with the O-Line protecting Josh and Josh throwing accurate passes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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