Does McD have the guts to make the call Harbaugh made?

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, TH3 said:

Didn't he get roasted for going for it last week with a super aggressive 4 and 1 play that lost 5 yards? 

 

Going for it wasnt the issue there. The issue there was not utilizing Josh's size on a simple QB sneak.

[Gugny]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

1:00 left, 4th and 1...

 

Do you punt the ball and trust your Defense against Mahomes? Or do you poll your star QB and listen to his feedback (which will obviously be "go for it")?

 

 

 

Going for it is Playing to Win. Punting is Playing not to lose.

 

We FINALLY called a Josh sneak on 4th and 1 yesterday. But it kills me that it isnt an automatic, easy call every time it's 3rd/4th and 1.

 

I'd like to think that McD would have some killer instinct in this situation, but a bigger part of me is pretty certain he would punt and lean on our Defense.

 

Any coach who decides to give Mahomes another chance (in that situation) deserves the loss and deserves to be fired.

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

1:00 left, 4th and 1...

 

Do you punt the ball and trust your Defense against Mahomes? Or do you poll your star QB and listen to his feedback (which will obviously be "go for it")?

 

 

 

Going for it is Playing to Win. Punting is Playing not to lose.

 

We FINALLY called a Josh sneak on 4th and 1 yesterday. But it kills me that it isnt an automatic, easy call every time it's 3rd/4th and 1.

 

I'd like to think that McD would have some killer instinct in this situation, but a bigger part of me is pretty certain he would punt and lean on our Defense.

 

Seemed like a stupid bit of showmanship there. They were going for it before he asked him.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Seemed like a stupid bit of showmanship there. They were going for it before he asked him.

 

I dont think Harbaugh would know the cameras were on him. I think it was more a coaching tactic to steel Lamar's reserve that it was "his call, so go get it"!

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I dont think Harbaugh would know the cameras were on him. I think it was more a coaching tactic to steel Lamar's reserve that it was "his call, so go get it"!

 

That is exactly what it was. He said after he knew Lamar was saying yes. He wanted him to feel like it was his call. He has done that exact thing before in a game at Seattle. It seems to play to Lamar's personality. 

[ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Any coach who decides to give Mahomes another chance (in that situation) deserves the loss and deserves to be fired.

 

100% agree with you. The best way to beat the Chiefs is to keep Mahomes on the bench. That is about the only place he can't score from.

 

When playing the Chiefs, (or Brady) the best defense is a steady time consuming offense.

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

That is exactly what it was. He said after he knew Lamar was saying yes. He wanted him to feel like it was his call. He has done that exact thing before in a game at Seattle. It seems to play to Lamar's personality. 

 

That almost sounds like good coaching!

[BuffaloMatt]

As long as it's not the lateral play.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is exactly what it was. He said after he knew Lamar was saying yes. He wanted him to feel like it was his call. He has done that exact thing before in a game at Seattle. It seems to play to Lamar's personality. 

 

I feel like you're calling Lamar ... "simple."

[djp14150]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

1:00 left, 4th and 1...

 

Do you punt the ball and trust your Defense against Mahomes? Or do you poll your star QB and listen to his feedback (which will obviously be "go for it")?

 

 

 

Going for it is Playing to Win. Punting is Playing not to lose.

 

We FINALLY called a Josh sneak on 4th and 1 yesterday. But it kills me that it isnt an automatic, easy call every time it's 3rd/4th and 1.

 

I'd like to think that McD would have some killer instinct in this situation, but a bigger part of me is pretty certain he would punt and lean on our Defense.

 

it’s a gut feeling based

 

1 how many zero/ negative runs have you had on a 3rd/4rg and 1 situation.

2. how has the defense bern playing this half

3. home or road.

4 low scoring or high scoring game

 

that said I would not have gone for 2 when the ravens did. In early 4th this score would have bern38-35. Being up 3vs up 1 Ida different call.

 

 

[Shaw66]

When McDermott has the offensive line the Ravens have, he'll have the guts to make that call. 

[QCity]

In that situation if you're playing against Mahomes you go for it. If you're playing against Jacoby Brissett you kick.

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

OP, I don’t know that Any HC has the stones to do that. “Lamar, you wanna go for this?” 
Maybe it was just a cute stunt in the thickness of the moment. No QB worth his salt would say ‘no coach, I don’t think we can make it..’

ha… when Lamar recounted the story last night, I was actually laughing out loud thinking of the scenario where he says to Harbaugh “nahhh, y’know what, punt it away”.

Edited September 20, 2021 by RiotAct

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

1:00 left, 4th and 1...

 

Do you punt the ball and trust your Defense against Mahomes? Or do you poll your star QB and listen to his feedback (which will obviously be "go for it")?

 

 

 

Going for it is Playing to Win. Punting is Playing not to lose.

 

We FINALLY called a Josh sneak on 4th and 1 yesterday. But it kills me that it isnt an automatic, easy call every time it's 3rd/4th and 1.

 

I'd like to think that McD would have some killer instinct in this situation, but a bigger part of me is pretty certain he would punt and lean on our Defense.

 

McDermott was one of if not the most aggressive 4th down coach in the NFL last year. 

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

IMO, he already had the decision made when he asked Lamar. Asking Lamar was simply to motivate him to go get that yard. He knew what the answer was going to be, and already decided it was what he wanted to do.

 

Completely agree - Harbaugh "asking" Lamar was basically Harbaugh making the decision - he knew there was 0% chance Lamar or any other competitive QB was going to say no.

[LeGOATski]

@DrDawkinstein you're like 2 years late on this post.

 

he was super aggressive last year and still aggressive this year..

 

They used Josh against Miami to get the first down. Exactly what you want them to do.

 

The play against the Steelers sucked,  but they learned from it and moved on, so what's your problem?

 

Big tough guy on his keyboard calling the coach a wuss... 🙄

21 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

When McDermott has the offensive line the Ravens have, he'll have the guts to make that call. 

Yes and no... he has Josh Allen and you saw what he did against the Cowboys that one time. He got the first down despite his OL collapsing.

 

It really depends on the situation and who they're playing against, but I don't think McD has any problem going for it.

[Olliemets]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

McD may make the same call, but is Daboll smart enough to call a QB sneak, or will he get cute?  

 

I don't get the QB sneak hesitancy.  Brady did this all the time with the Pats**, and it almost always worked.  And I don't recall him ever getting injured from it.  

And Brady executed it quickly too. Got to the line and boom...No fussing around. No long counts. Decisive as hell.

Edited September 20, 2021 by Olliemets
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[Process]

Based on the way he coached in the AFCCG and so far this year, absolutely not.

[Malazan]

42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

That is exactly what it was. He said after he knew Lamar was saying yes. He wanted him to feel like it was his call. He has done that exact thing before in a game at Seattle. It seems to play to Lamar's personality. 

 

I disagree with your assertion that Lamar is a simple minded idiot. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

I disagree with your assertion that Lamar is a simple minded idiot. 

 

Haha. That was not my assertion.

[Gugny]

9 minutes ago, Olliemets said:

And Brady executed it quickly too. Got to the line and boom...No fussing around. No long counts. Decisive as hell.

 

Nobody is better than Brady at the QB sneak.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Bob in STL said:

I believe that McD would make that call.
 

I also believe that most of you would crucify him if the offense failed to convert.  
 

The best calls are always the ones that work and hindsight is always 20-20.  

I actually don't think so.  I think most of us would know that the risk of leaving it up to your defense is greater than giving the ball to Allen with 1 yard to gain.  If they din;t make it they would blame the O-line not the call

[AmishRifle]

I was at the Raven’s game last night.  KC’s D was exhausted.  The whole stadium knew they couldn’t afford to give Mahomes another chance.  Not a doubt in anyone’s mind that they weren’t going to get that yard.  All of Baltimore wanted that yard to finally beat the Chiefs.  The concourses on the way out were pandemonium.

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, AmishRifle said:

I was at the Raven’s game last night.  KC’s D was exhausted.  The whole stadium knew they couldn’t afford to give Mahomes another chance.  Not a doubt in anyone’s mind that they weren’t going to get that yard.  All of Baltimore wanted that yard to finally beat the Chiefs.  The concourses on the way out were pandemonium.

Must've been a super fun game to be at! Neither defense was stopping the opponent last night. It was the obvious call.

[Boatdrinks]

My guess is that McD decides to punt there. 

[Shaw66]

23 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

@DrDawkinstein you're like 2 years late on this post.

 

he was super aggressive last year and still aggressive this year..

 

They used Josh against Miami to get the first down. Exactly what you want them to do.

 

The play against the Steelers sucked,  but they learned from it and moved on, so what's your problem?

 

Big tough guy on his keyboard calling the coach a wuss... 🙄

Yes and no... he has Josh Allen and you saw what he did against the Cowboys that one time. He got the first down despite his OL collapsing.

 

It really depends on the situation and who they're playing against, but I don't think McD has any problem going for it.

Yeah, yeah, I agree with all this.  But the difference between the Bills and the Ravens is that the Ravens have a line that is going to get you the yard - they will push the line of scrimmage, or they'll crack seams, and Lamar just has to be a running back who picks the spot and takes the yard.   Allen, as often as not, has to supply the push, which means that the guy at the point of attach may stop him.  

 

I agree that Allen is a good bet on the sneak.   He runs them very well.  I just think it would have been a higher risk call with Allen behind Morse and the Bills' guards than it was for with Jackson behind that line. 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Does McD have the guts

 

[TC in St. Louis]

I thought it was a great call.  Make the first down and  you win.  Punt and it's a crap shoot.  Gutsy call.  Winning call.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

@DrDawkinstein you're like 2 years late on this post.

 

he was super aggressive last year and still aggressive this year..

 

They used Josh against Miami to get the first down. Exactly what you want them to do.

 

The play against the Steelers sucked,  but they learned from it and moved on, so what's your problem?

 

Big tough guy on his keyboard calling the coach a wuss... 🙄

 

 

I'll wrassle him!

 

 

[chris heff]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

This is since 2018, and has McDermott in 13th place in the "going for it when they should on 4th down" metric.

Looking at just 2020, I believe McDermott was top three, although I can't seem to find a graphic to prove it.

Make one up

[RyanC883]

7 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Nobody is better than Brady at the QB sneak.  

Big Ben was great at it for a few years also. You just need to have a good OL that you are in rhythm with. No reason this shouldn’t be automatic for Allen. 

[Playoffs?]

He might go for it. But would Daboll go with the backwards pass??

[MJS]

9 hours ago, nucci said:

4th and 1 or 2 should be a go more than 90% of the time

 

9 hours ago, TBBills said:

That is what the stats are telling coaches now, this will be the new norm sooner or later.

 

Not deep in your own end.

6 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

No. McD has proven over and over how conservative he is. 
 

When we play the chiefs, his defensive game plan is prevent the entire game. 
 

He’s a take what they give us coach. Not a game leader. 

It has been proven over and over again that this isn't true. You are just making up crap. Go look at the stats and they will show you that McDermott does go for it on 4th down when he should.

[Scott7975]

Im not sure if McD makes that call or not.  At that spot on the field I feel like he would punt and trust his defense. 

 

I think Harbaugh made a ballsy call but I also think it was the right call.  Even if they didn't make it and lost the game I would still think its the right call.  I do wonder how many people saying it was the right call would still be saying that if they didn't get the yard though.

[nucci]

5 hours ago, MJS said:

 

 

Not deep in your own end.

 

that would be the 10%

[machine gun kelly]

I think McD would’ve gone for it, but I bet he would choose the call and it would be an Allen lunge with Gilliam him from behind.

 

from that presser after the Steelers game, McD Isn’t letting Daboll do as much of the cute stuff anymore. I also noticed some nice runs in Miami and thought McD asserted his authority over Daboll.  Daboll is a heck of a OC, but sometimes he gets too cute.

Edited September 21, 2021 by machine gun kelly