Can someone explain to me why Gabe Davis does not have equal snap count to Diggs?

[Dopey]

7 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I find it odd sanders seems so disliked. All the guy does is get open. Receiver is similar to the D line, everyone has a bit of a rotation. More snaps doesn’t always include more production. Davis is going to have plenty of chances to shine. 

Thinking maybe it's the Duke crowd looking for their new "guy".  Davis is good, but Sanders will have a huge impact before it's all said and done. Josh will develop timing with him and it's gonna be tough on defenses. Should have had a TD in game 1. Timing just off.

1 minute ago, Dopey said:

 

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by Dopey

[BillMafia716ix]

Yeah I was puzzled by it. Seems like they were force feeding Sanders. Davis should never be off the field. Another poor approach by Daboll

Edited September 13, 2021 by BillMafia716ix

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

He also dropped a very important pass that sealed our loss…

Well, I respectfully disagree with that, as I’ve explained in two other threads.

[HappyDays]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Dude it was overthrown by like 2 yards.. that's like a few steps for pro wide receiver... 10 yard overthrow and it would be a concern

 

That's timing at the end of the day.. in 1-2 months him and Sanders will be in connection

 

Aaron Rodgers couldn't throw a deep ball coming out of Cal.. it took him years of sitting on the bench to hone it 

 

Slowing the play down it was five-six feet away.. that's literally two strides for Emmanuel Sanders... That's chemistry that will get cleaned up in time.. he has very little live action chemistry with him 

 

If he still missing that in a month... Then maybe there's some concern

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you... I can't believe the attention that play is getting. I just rewatched it to make sure I wasn't crazy and yep it lands barely two yards in front of him. People are acting like Allen threw it out of the stadium. It was just poor timing from Allen to Sanders. 2019 John Brown walks that into the end zone. The margin of error is higher with a slower receiver like Sanders. Even Gabe Davis I think catches that. Allen hit Davis for a bunch of TDs at that depth last year. The timing with Sanders will come.

[MPT]

11 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

I find it odd sanders seems so disliked. All the guy does is get open. Receiver is similar to the D line, everyone has a bit of a rotation. More snaps doesn’t always include more production. Davis is going to have plenty of chances to shine. 

 

I don't think people dislike Sanders as much as they like Davis. We drafted the kid and he had an amazing rookie season so people, including me, were excited to see him get to work as the #2 with a year of experience under him. Sanders just disrupted that.

 

Now I don't know if Davis is better than Sanders or not but I thought he was underutilized yesterday.

[Rc2catch]

28 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

I don't think people dislike Sanders as much as they like Davis. We drafted the kid and he had an amazing rookie season so people, including me, were excited to see him get to work as the #2 with a year of experience under him. Sanders just disrupted that.

 

Now I don't know if Davis is better than Sanders or not but I thought he was underutilized yesterday.

I read multiple comments of dropping sanders and bringing smoke back was more my reference on people disliking sanders. Davis needs to continue earning it and staying hungry. They can’t keep him off the field when he continues to produce. At the same time, it’s a long season, we might need him a lot more later on when we have injuries or these older vets start getting a little gassed out. Young fresh legs and all. 

[Elite Poster]

15 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Sanders was consistently open yesterday and freed himself for a big TD catch only to see it badly overthrown. Sanders finished top three in the NFL last year in getting separation. He is good.

 

When you are at the game and not watching the TV broadcast, the amount of times Sanders and McKenzie got open down field with the ball getting checked down to Beasley was Tyrod level bad. Let's just hope Josh turns the dial back up next week. 5 yards a pass, horrible. 

49 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Thank you... I can't believe the attention that play is getting. I just rewatched it to make sure I wasn't crazy and yep it lands barely two yards in front of him. People are acting like Allen threw it out of the stadium. It was just poor timing from Allen to Sanders. 2019 John Brown walks that into the end zone. The margin of error is higher with a slower receiver like Sanders. Even Gabe Davis I think catches that. Allen hit Davis for a bunch of TDs at that depth last year. The timing with Sanders will come.

 

He overthrew Diggs too. Had a similar overthrow to Beasley in the preseason game. He needs to clean it up. No more excuses. Year 4, 43M dollars. When Josh plays great, I'm going to be the first one to throw praise, when he's off, let's not make excuses anymore. 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Elite Poster

[Locomark]

I agree that Sanders was not in sync yet with this offense. On the bomb he is open but also not fast enough to the ball. That’s a TD if it was Brown or even Gabe. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

Thank you... I can't believe the attention that play is getting. I just rewatched it to make sure I wasn't crazy and yep it lands barely two yards in front of him. People are acting like Allen threw it out of the stadium. It was just poor timing from Allen to Sanders. 2019 John Brown walks that into the end zone. The margin of error is higher with a slower receiver like Sanders. Even Gabe Davis I think catches that. Allen hit Davis for a bunch of TDs at that depth last year. The timing with Sanders will come.

 

Sanders booboo foot limiting participation in training camp and limited practice last week = minimal chance for Allen and Sanders to work on their timing

[SydneyBillsFan]

20 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Maybe Russell Wilson will host a QB University and Josh will participate 😎

 

Russell could even teach Josh a thing or two.

 

Lesson one: The Art of the Deep Ball

[Meatloaf63]

11 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Well, I respectfully disagree with that, as I’ve explained in two other threads.

Well it’s on film you can always go review it, if you can’t admit it was a contributing factor then there isn’t much to talk about, doesn’t matter how many times or what reasons you use to deny it.

[Mat68]

I think they need to figure out who does what best.  Sanders imo is best under 15 yards.  Similar to Beasley.  Use Diggs or Davis to attack down field.  Sanders will do well when teams play man.  I feel like Sanders and Allen were a bit off due to the limited time together.  I think Davis needs to be on the field more.  Rotate the wrs more.  Keep them fresh.  Why dress 6 if you dont really rotate any of them?  

Edited September 14, 2021 by Mat68

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Well it’s on film you can always go review it, if you can’t admit it was a contributing factor then there isn’t much to talk about, doesn’t matter how many times or what reasons you use to deny it.

Not sure of the reasons for the hostility here. I did break down the film in another thread (posted twice, actually). You’re of course free to disagree with my conclusion.

[No_Matter_What]

20 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Well, I respectfully disagree with that, as I’ve explained in two other threads.

This means that you disagree with him calling that "drop" a drop?

 

Because I was wondering about this. People keep talking about some Sanders drop, and I didn't remember any. So, I rewatched the game and I guess they are talking about 4th quarter play shortly before blocked punt, where he caught the ball on the seam route but immediately after that it was knocked out by defender.

 

I am no expert and maybe somehow he could hold onto the ball, but calling this "drop" seems like a huge stretch to me.

[JohnNord]

On 9/13/2021 at 9:15 AM, dave mcbride said:

Sanders was consistently open yesterday and freed himself for a big TD catch only to see it badly overthrown. Sanders finished top three in the NFL last year in getting separation. He is good.

They need to be able to find a way to get the ball to Beasley, Diggs, or Sanders fast.  They are too good at creating separation 

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

This means that you disagree with him calling that "drop" a drop?

 

Because I was wondering about this. People keep talking about some Sanders drop, and I didn't remember any. So, I rewatched the game and I guess they are talking about 4th quarter play shortly before blocked punt, where he caught the ball on the seam route but immediately after that it was knocked out by defender.

 

I am no expert and maybe somehow he could hold onto the ball, but calling this "drop" seems like a huge stretch to me.

Yes, that’s right. It was a pass defended, not a drop. The defender was in perfect position to do an easy tomahawk swipe.

[machine gun kelly]

I was surprised Ramsa Allen didn’t go to him more and have more snaps.  It was a mistake I don’t think McD will do again.

 

On the main page is a Jerry Sullivan article, and I can’t believe I’m saying it,

but it was very well written.  One of his points was this on Davis.  He was also relatively positive and balanced.  Give it a read.

[Thurman#1]

On 9/13/2021 at 9:51 PM, Ramza86 said:

I just dont get it. Gabe is about as reliable as you can get on this team.

 

He should be WR 2 and on the field as long as he can.

 

Hurts to watch him not in.

 

 

They like Sanders better. And if the two throws that Josh missed to Sanders had been on target, he'd have been close to 150 yards. He deserves it.

 

Gabe is very good, but they think he's the 4th best on the team. I agree, personally.

 

 

 

 

In any case, at the Bills site, he's listed on the depth chart directly ahead of Davis.

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/team/depth-chart

 

 

 

13 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

This means that you disagree with him calling that "drop" a drop?

 

Because I was wondering about this. People keep talking about some Sanders drop, and I didn't remember any. So, I rewatched the game and I guess they are talking about 4th quarter play shortly before blocked punt, where he caught the ball on the seam route but immediately after that it was knocked out by defender.

 

I am no expert and maybe somehow he could hold onto the ball, but calling this "drop" seems like a huge stretch to me.

 

 

Agreed. He might have held onto it, but it would have been a terrific play. A play few WRs would have made.

Edited September 15, 2021 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

On 9/14/2021 at 12:34 PM, HappyDays said:

 

Thank you... I can't believe the attention that play is getting. I just rewatched it to make sure I wasn't crazy and yep it lands barely two yards in front of him. People are acting like Allen threw it out of the stadium. It was just poor timing from Allen to Sanders. 2019 John Brown walks that into the end zone. The margin of error is higher with a slower receiver like Sanders. Even Gabe Davis I think catches that. Allen hit Davis for a bunch of TDs at that depth last year. The timing with Sanders will come.

 

 

Davis isn't as fast as Sanders. Even after Sanders may have slowed up a bit with age, he looks significantly faster than Davis.

 

And yeah, Josh threw it too far, but when a guy has five yards, you have to put more arch on it and put it shorter. Yes, timing was a problem. But it was a bad pass. Agreed they should get better with time together.

[SCBills]

I thought Sanders was fine, and we’d all be really fine with him if Allen didn’t overthrow him on the deep ball TD. 
 

Im frustrated with him for the “drop/pbu” but that would’ve been a tough catch and my frustration is more due to the Steelers WR’s all made touch/clutch catches, while our guys - like Sanders - had chances to, and did not.   
 

Again, probably more of a PBU than a drop, but with the way the game played out, we seem to be more focused on that play than we should.  
 

Edited September 15, 2021 by SCBills

[Thurman#1]

22 hours ago, Mat68 said:

I think they need to figure out who does what best.  Sanders imo is best under 15 yards.  Similar to Beasley.  Use Diggs or Davis to attack down field.  Sanders will do well when teams play man.  I feel like Sanders and Allen were a bit off due to the limited time together.  I think Davis needs to be on the field more.  Rotate the wrs more.  Keep them fresh.  Why dress 6 if you dont really rotate any of them?  

 

 

Strongly disagree about your conclusion about Sanders. They threw long to him all game, and he was really open. He's a guy who can get open short or deep. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR6QtSjNwEQ

 

Look at 1:07 and 2:01

 

Love the 2nd one where he destroys his guy with a route and then throws the safety away, subtly enough to not get caught at it.

 

Edited September 15, 2021 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

On 9/14/2021 at 1:44 PM, Locomark said:

I agree that Sanders was not in sync yet with this offense. On the bomb he is open but also not fast enough to the ball. That’s a TD if it was Brown or even Gabe. 

 

 

There's no reason to think Gabe is faster than Sanders. They certainly weren't based on their 40s, and yeah, Sanders may have slowed up, but not a lot, and there was a major difference. Gabe is good, but he's no burner.

[DuckyBoys]

i think were going to need all of them  Sanders is going to be pay dividends  Steph take a lot of hits and Sanders is inusrance for down time  Gabe is great   I'm hopefull wee see Know finally turn the corner    Offense is missing the big mismatch type target     Important Josh trusts them all

[Locomark]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

There's no reason to think Gabe is faster than Sanders. They certainly weren't based on their 40s, and yeah, Sanders may have slowed up, but not a lot, and there was a major difference. Gabe is good, but he's no burner.

Gabe is not a burner but neither was James Lofton. It’s all about those long strides. It’s deceiving how much ground they cover on deep passes. Big difference versus a smurf with short arms. I think Gabe had a shot on that catch. 

[The Frankish Reich]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Strongly disagree about your conclusion about Sanders. They threw long to him all game, and he was really open. He's a guy who can get open short or deep. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR6QtSjNwEQ

 

Look at 1:07 and 2:01

 

Love the 2nd one where he destroys his guy with a route and then throws the safety away, subtly enough to not get caught at it.

 

Agreed. This is the weirdest, most irrational takeaway from Game 1. Before last season we would have all been decrying how Allen just plain missed a wide open Sanders. You know what? On Sunday Allen just plain missed a wide open Sanders. Doesn't mean bad old Josh is back. But it certainly doesn't mean Sanders was a flop.

[buffaloboyinATL]

Lower body injury.  

[Nihilarian]

 "Davis is dealing with a lower body injury."

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/15/gabriel-davis-out-of-practice-for-bills/

[Mat68]

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Agreed. This is the weirdest, most irrational takeaway from Game 1. Before last season we would have all been decrying how Allen just plain missed a wide open Sanders. You know what? On Sunday Allen just plain missed a wide open Sanders. Doesn't mean bad old Josh is back. But it certainly doesn't mean Sanders was a flop.

Give me Davis down the field.  I think the speed difference is negligible.  I like Davis’ size, body control and ball tracking ability.  Catching a deep ball is a talent.  Sanders has never been a deep threat.  

[Royale with Cheese]

3rd week in a row his snap % has decreased.  Played two more plays yesterday but overall, not out there as much.

Is he still injured or are we just preferring a 3 WR set?  Knox is playing a lot.

[Solomon Grundy]

On 9/13/2021 at 8:51 AM, Ramza86 said:

I just dont get it. Gabe is about as reliable as you can get on this team.

 

He should be WR 2 and on the field as long as he can.

 

Hurts to watch him not in.

Gabe’s on your fantasy team, isn’t he?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

3rd week in a row his snap % has decreased.  Played two more plays yesterday but overall, not out there as much.

Is he still injured or are we just preferring a 3 WR set?  Knox is playing a lot.

He's the 4th WR. They are better in 3 WR sets and committed to running the ball more. Sanders is great and can get open all over the field. And of course the top 3 are all healthy. 

[Thurman#1]

On 9/16/2021 at 2:28 AM, Locomark said:

Gabe is not a burner but neither was James Lofton. It’s all about those long strides. It’s deceiving how much ground they cover on deep passes. Big difference versus a smurf with short arms. I think Gabe had a shot on that catch. 

 

 

James Lofton was absolutely a burner.

 

Here's a story about the Buffalo News in 1991, back when even going 4.4 was not that common.

 

"So far, according to Lofton, his last big physical change came four years ago when, as a member of the Raiders, his 40-yard dash time dipped from 4.3 to 4.4 seconds."

 

https://buffalonews.com/news/lofton-wont-put-timetable-on-his-nfl-career-wide-receiver-wonders-if-he-might-be/article_ed94d084-26da-5527-8ba1-cd1b656a245d.html

 

Lofton's speed was his biggest weapon.

Edited September 27, 2021 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

On 9/16/2021 at 6:22 AM, Mat68 said:

Give me Davis down the field.  I think the speed difference is negligible.  I like Davis’ size, body control and ball tracking ability.  Catching a deep ball is a talent.  Sanders has never been a deep threat.  

 

 

On the contrary, Sanders has been a deep threat his whole career. He's not the usual style of deep threat in terms of being a pure speed burner, a Henry Ruggs type. He's always been fast, but he earns his deep balls a bit differently, with great route running, so that they don't know he's going deep till he's already past them. Go to pro-football-reference and look at his longest pass each year. From 2013 onwards, it's 55 yards, 48, 75, 64, 38, 64, 75, 51 and 41 this year.

 

He's always been a deep threat. It's just that he's also a short threat and a medium threat.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

3rd week in a row his snap % has decreased.  Played two more plays yesterday but overall, not out there as much.

Is he still injured or are we just preferring a 3 WR set?  Knox is playing a lot.

 

He is still injured.  They are probably just playing it safe with him.  Obviously wasn't a big need the last two weeks.

[pocoboy]

5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

He is still injured.  They are probably just playing it safe with him.  Obviously wasn't a big need the last two weeks.

 

He's a great insurance policy for injury. I'm hoping this week's utter destruction through 3 other weapons will start to cause defenses to adjust away from Diggs.

 

Maybe with the Week 1 turd in their past they'll return to a higher dose of 4 and 5WR sets. They just seemed to get spooked by the Watt game, and vs HOU may have a chance to dial in some other sets.