TE Hollister Released

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

One thing more about the Hollister release. It probably has something to do with or a lot to do with, Sanders, Davis, Stevenson, Kumerow. They will just run more 4-5 wide instead of three. Hollister is no inline TE. If he’s going to be split we’re better off having a WR out there. 

 

This is the first thing I've read that makes me at least understand the move. Thank you. Still nervous about Knox catching passes.

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

I'm surprised that the Bills don't even seem to want him for the practice squad.

They seem to have decided that Quintin Morris is a more worthwhile practice squad stash than Hollister.

Huh.

Its not that.  I’m sure they would like I’d yo have him on the PS but Hollister is probably good enough where he can get signed to a a team’s 53.  

I’m a huge supporter of Brandon Beane but the move to keep Tommy Sweeney over Hollister is a move I don’t understand.  I’m guessing they went with the better blocker in Sweeney but I do feel that Hollister’s skills gives the offense a quick threat that can get open downfield better than Knox.

 

I would not be shocked to see Hollister making some clutch catches this reason.  I think this move is a mistake 

[akcash]

I really like Hollister but Sweeney is like a dump truck when he runs.

[Freddie's Dead]

9 minutes ago, akcash said:

I really like Hollister but Sweeney is like a dump truck when he runs.

 

The key to that sentence is "when".  Sweeney can't stay healthy.

[BuffaloRebound]

This reminds me of the Edmunds debate.  Thumping MLB’s don’t exist anymore.  Bills seem to have decided that unless you have a Waller, Gronk, Kittle, or Kelce, it’s better to get an extra WR on the field than a mediocre Tight End.  We’ll see if they’re right.  

[John from Riverside]

I am a big Sweeney fan......just wished he could stay healthy

[Rico]

No tears from me over Hollister being gone, not at all. I think Sweeney’s ceiling is a whole lot higher.

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Bills seem to have decided that unless you have a Waller, Gronk, Kittle, or Kelce, it’s better to get an extra WR on the field than a mediocre Tight End.

 

The other side of this argument is for an offense built around passing you shouldn't make a TE decision based on their blocking ability. An athletic TE with good hands is a good fit for that offense. A TE with drop problems that you use for run blocking is not. I have no problem with the Bills running single TE sets all year long. I just don't agree that Knox should be handed the job or that Sweeney should be kept over Hollister because he's a slightly better blocker.

[Mike in Horseheads]

33 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is the first thing I've read that makes me at least understand the move. Thank you. Still nervous about Knox catching passes.

Don't be nervous he'll still catch 2/5 and fumble 1

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The other side of this argument is for an offense built around passing you shouldn't make a TE decision based on their blocking ability. An athletic TE with good hands is a good fit for that offense. A TE with drop problems that you use for run blocking is not. I have no problem with the Bills running single TE sets all year long. I just don't agree that Knox should be handed the job or that Sweeney should be kept over Hollister because he's a slightly better blocker.

When you run an inline TE the defense has to adjust usually an extra LB v DB. You can then run or pass out of that formation. Or use them as wingbacks. Hollister almost always would be split wide. They sometimes used him as a H-back type but I think Kumerow is as good a blocker. You don't use him the same way you would use Knox or Sweeney who do both inline and split out. Sweeney is not a son quick or athletic as Hollister but he allows you to do a lot more. 

[Turk71]

One of the worst te groups in the league for sure. I do think the Bills will play a lot 4 wide formations and I guess having a decent pass catching te is just not considered important in their offense.

Edited September 1, 2021 by Turk71

[Your Brown Eye]

All the mock 53 man rosters on this site with Hollister as TE #1 the moment he signed with the Bills

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

Its not that.  I’m sure they would like I’d yo have him on the PS but Hollister is probably good enough where he can get signed to a a team’s 53.  

I’m a huge supporter of Brandon Beane but the move to keep Tommy Sweeney over Hollister is a move I don’t understand.  I’m guessing they went with the better blocker in Sweeney but I do feel that Hollister’s skills gives the offense a quick threat that can get open downfield better than Knox.

 

I would not be shocked to see Hollister making some clutch catches this reason.  I think this move is a mistake 

 

Then there's the "snakebit by injuries/illness" track record.

 

Of course some players who start out that way do become reliable starters.

[Turk71]

33 minutes ago, Rico said:

No tears from me over Hollister being gone, not at all. I think Sweeney’s ceiling is a whole lot higher.

Sweeneys ceiling is a backup tight end. The guy is slow as molasses (4.83) and is not especially good at blocking for his size. Where is this whole lot higher upside gonna come from?

  Hollister had the 4th highest depth of target of tes in his class and can attack a defense at all 3 levels.

[Turk71]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I'm surprised that the Bills don't even seem to want him for the practice squad.

They seem to have decided that Quintin Morris is a more worthwhile practice squad stash than Hollister.

Huh.

I don't think Hollister will end up on a practice squad, I think he ends up on a teams 53. We 'll see. 

 

[GoBills!]

Hollister is under valued, Sweeney is the Tim Connolly of the Bills, they think he has superb talent but never health to show it completely.

[Rico]

16 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

Sweeneys ceiling is a backup tight end. The guy is slow as molasses (4.83) and is not especially good at blocking for his size. Where is this whole lot higher upside gonna come from?

  Hollister had the 4th highest depth of target of tes in his class and can attack a defense at all 3 levels.

Sweeney’s motor revs higher and his lunch pail is fuller.

[Turk71]

Just now, Rico said:

Sweeney’s motor revs higher and his lunch pail is fuller.

Don't forget his blue collar

[The Dean]

47 minutes ago, Rico said:

Sweeney’s motor revs higher and his lunch pail is fuller.

 

Unfortunately his body seems to always betray him. Healthy, sure. But that hasn't been the case with him.

[Turk71]

  Hollister started for the Seahawks weeks 7-17 in 2019 and was 12th in the league among tes in fantasy points for that period, he averaged 6 targets per game catching 70% of them. 

[BigAl2526]

 I think a collection of factors led to Hollister being released:

 

1.  Sweeney was close to being healthy (practiced today) and gives Buffalo a more rounded TE than Hollister.  Sweeney can block.

 

2. Reggie Gilliam can contribute in multiple TE sets when Buffalo wants to use him there.  I understand he practiced as a tight end today.

 

3.  Jake Kumerow can do a lot of the things a receiving TE can do.

 

4.  Buffalo decided to go a little heavier on the OL and receiver position, though Stevenson was sent to the IR (available to return)

 

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Just now, BigAl2526 said:

 I think a collection of factors led to Hollister being released:

 

1.  Sweeney was close to being healthy (practiced today) and gives Buffalo a more rounded TE than Hollister.  Sweeney can block.

 

2. Reggie Gilliam can contribute in multiple TE sets when Buffalo wants to use him there.  I understand he practiced as a tight end today.

 

3.  Jake Kumerow can do a lot of the things a receiving TE can do.

 

4.  Buffalo decided to go a little heavier on the OL and receiver position, though Stevenson was sent to the IR (available to return)

 

 

Love 1 & 3 but still need Hollister on this roster

[Turk71]

6 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

 I think a collection of factors led to Hollister being released:

 

1.  Sweeney was close to being healthy (practiced today) and gives Buffalo a more rounded TE than Hollister.  Sweeney can block.

 

2. Reggie Gilliam can contribute in multiple TE sets when Buffalo wants to use him there.  I understand he practiced as a tight end today.

 

3.  Jake Kumerow can do a lot of the things a receiving TE can do.

 

4.  Buffalo decided to go a little heavier on the OL and receiver position, though Stevenson was sent to the IR (available to return)

 

 

1. Sweeney is not even in the same league as Hollister as a pass catcher.

2. Gilliam is 6' tall and has caught a total of 2 passes in his career.

3. Kumerow weighs 209 lbs, he's not a te or a replacement for one. He's a wr.

4. This has no bearing on which tes they keep.

[John from Riverside]

51 minutes ago, Turk71 said:

1. Sweeney is not even in the same league as Hollister as a pass catcher.

2. Gilliam is 6' tall and has caught a total of 2 passes in his career.

3. Kumerow weighs 209 lbs, he's not a te or a replacement for one. He's a wr.

4. This has no bearing on which tes they keep.

I disagree Sweeney is a good pass catcher he is not as athletic as Hollister but he is a better blocker he gets hurt a lot to

[OrediggerPoke]

3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Hollister was also not re-signed by two different teams, signed to a low contract, and hasn’t found a new home yet either. Not like he’s thought of as a stud around the league. Maybe not even worthy of any 53 although I think eventually he will sign with someone. He was undrafted. The Pats traded him for a 7th round pick. He was released by Seahawks then re-signed to PS before making roster halfway through season. 

He was literally carried off the field by his Seahawks teammates; so his teammates appear to think of him highly.  

3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

 

Edited September 2, 2021 by OrediggerPoke

[RyanC883]

it’s clear TE is not an area of focus here for some reason. Don’t get Sweeny over Hollister. 

[Kelly the Dog]

5 minutes ago, OrediggerPoke said:

He was literally carried off the field by his Seahawks teammates; so his teammates appear to think of him highly.  

He caught 25 balls. They didn't try to resign him. They decided they wanted to go with livinf legends Will Dissly, Colby Parkinson and Tyler Mabry instead, before signing Gerald Everett after Hollister signed with the Bills.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

Unfortunately his body seems to always betray him. Healthy, sure. But that hasn't been the case with him.

 

This is my concern

[QCity]

If you told me last Spring that the team would sustain no major injuries to key players this offseason and the biggest controversy about the 53-man roster is that we cut our 3rd string TE, I would have said you're dreaming and your expectations are set way too high.

[Royale with Cheese]

51 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

it’s clear TE is not an area of focus here for some reason. Don’t get Sweeny over Hollister. 

They like to throw to their WR.

But with I believe more cap room next year…I think a TE would be a target.

That or in the draft….high pick.

[GoBills!]

2 minutes ago, QCity said:

If you told me last Spring that the team would sustain no major injuries to key players this offseason and the biggest controversy about the 53-man roster is that we cut our 3rd string TE, I would have said you're dreaming and your expectations are set way too high.

Gone are the days of crying about Jauron's conditioning team getting our guys hurt.

 

[BigAl2526]

2 hours ago, Turk71 said:

1. Sweeney is not even in the same league as Hollister as a pass catcher.

2. Gilliam is 6' tall and has caught a total of 2 passes in his career.

3. Kumerow weighs 209 lbs, he's not a te or a replacement for one. He's a wr.

4. This has no bearing on which tes they keep.

Hollister is a proven pass catcher on the pro level.  Sweeney is not.  He's not had much of a chance due to injury.  Frankly, we don't know how good he is or isn't.  Sweeney is a better blocker.  Yes, Gilliam is short.  He's also been little used in Buffalo's offense thus far.  Of course, he played his college career as a tight end, so he knows the position.  He's also very athletic.  While he's been little used in the offense thus far, the Bills have seen lots of plays in practice and probably have a better grasp of his potential.  Kumerow doesn't have tight end body mass, but he certainly has tight end height and reach.  He has great hands and wins one on one battles with DBs.  No, Kumerow is not going to run through linebackers, but there are going to be lots of occasions where he could serve as a safety valve in a similar manner to a tight end.  

 

At this point, nobody knows why the Bills chose to cut bait with Hollister, but the fact is they did, and they had some reason for doing so..  I expressed an opinion.  You have a perfect right to a different one.

Edited September 2, 2021 by BigAl2526

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I am a big Sweeney fan......just wished he could stay healthy

 

 

Outside the 2018 season and a few this year, he actually has stayed healthy.

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/3/21/22341413/injury-analysis-buffalo-bills-te-jacob-hollister-2021-nfl-free-agency

[Bad Things]

I guess the Josh Allen - Jacob Hollister "Wyoming connection" didn't mean jack after all.

What a shock!

[The Dean]

47 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Outside the 2018 season and a few this year, he actually has stayed healthy.

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2021/3/21/22341413/injury-analysis-buffalo-bills-te-jacob-hollister-2021-nfl-free-agency

 

 

The comment about "staying healthy" was about Sweeny, not Hollister

[EasternOHBillsFan]

On 8/31/2021 at 8:55 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

All I can say is no point in getting fussed for the next 2-3 days until we see if Hollister is indeed brought back or someone else is brought in from another team

 

Ohh I am not, just saying how I feel if we don't... I was talking to my father in law today and he was mad that the Browns had cut KhaDarel Hodge and I told him that the Browns may do what the Bills do and put him on the practice squad. Just saw that he was claimed by the Lions... oops  

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Turk71 said:

1. Sweeney is not even in the same league as Hollister as a pass catcher.

2. Gilliam is 6' tall and has caught a total of 2 passes in his career.

3. Kumerow weighs 209 lbs, he's not a te or a replacement for one. He's a wr.

4. This has no bearing on which tes they keep.

All excellent points. This organization has got to find a way to get Hollister back. Our TE's are pathetic. 

[BobbyC81]

So, they release Matt Barkley, one of Josh’s best friends, in the offseason.   Then, they bring in his Wyoming buddies, Hollister and Tanner Gentry, but now release them.

 

I hope the ink is dry on that new contract.

[fergie's ire]

8 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

The Magic 8 Ball, says "Ask again, later".

By "ask again" does it mean "start a thread"?  I'll get right on it.

[GunnerBill]

43 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

So, they release Matt Barkley, one of Josh’s best friends, in the offseason.   Then, they bring in his Wyoming buddies, Hollister and Tanner Gentry, but now release them.

 

I hope the ink is dry on that new contract.

 

Josh hasn't gone full Aaron Rodgers yet, he isn't making personnel decisions. Wait another 10 years.