Dolphins are the frontrunner on trade for Deshaun Watson

[DolFAN93]

2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Hard to say, but they signed some big type FA last year to multi-year deals and then in one off season started cutting them during this off season.  That in and off itself is not an issue, but several players seemed to balk at several of the cuts and trades and talked about losing major locker room leadership and vocal guys.

 

Then you have the issue with their top CB not dealing with his contract dispute in house, but using the media - again showing a lack of respect and then winning and getting his demands - makes you question how things are done.

 

Tua though is the biggest issue.  They started him last year, but it was obvious that the coaching staff was not comfortable with the decision because every chance things went a touch sour - they pulled him for Fitz.  Then tried to smooth things out by going back to him.  Then this off-season which should be huge for Tua - they begin looking at Watson as a trade at QB.  
 

Again showing a lack in confidence at the most important position.  Then you follow that up with another interview where the HC instead of putting the flames out - fans the flames by beating around the bush.  Then he meets with the team to give the “full backing of the team” speech, but at the same time denies that he needed to do that and then poorly navigates that interaction as the rumors come out that the owner wants Watson to join the team.

 

The final straw to me in the lost of respectability is the way some of his players talk about Tua on national broadcasts - there isn’t this talk of leadership and growth - it is very muted.  I think the players don’t believe he is the long term answer and that the team is trying to get someone else in place and they don’t want to say something and have it contradicted or have the team make them look bad.

 

I think you are right the sign of a leader is how they handle adversity- see McD with the Peterman choice in SD.  That decision could of cost him a locker room, but he talked with the team leadership and they navigated it and still made the playoffs.  
 

Conversely- Flores poorly handled the Tua situation last year and really poorly handled the decisions and choices as if it was out of his hands.  Then he moved on from respected leadership within the locker room that many players questioned and now he has poorly handled the Watson rumors.  I think all 3 show a muted lack of leadership by the HC.

 

 

Does the bad outweigh the good? Because I think that's all that matters to the players. You as an opposing fan  can not like how a HC handles situations but it won't matter if the team is succeeding.

 

A beat writer mentioned that Flores has one flaw and later hinted at it dealing with veterans. If I had to guess, it's probably the next man up mentality that he has. 

 

 Tua has gotten tons of praise from his teammates for his leadership this offseaon. The rest is opinionated honestly.

 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[RobbRiddick]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Looks like they've had to massage their numbers

 

 

(ahem, Sorry)

[JohnNord]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I hope this isn’t true because Watson fixes a lot of Miami’s issues.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, JohnNord said:

I hope this isn’t true because Watson fixes a lot of Miami’s issues.

I’ll be shocked if it doesn’t happen. Houston has to trade him and Miami is the only suitor. Watson wants to go there so that gets past the no trade clause. Plus there aren’t any QBs in the draft this year that look like sure things

[Warcodered]

14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

So at this point they're not so much the front runner as the only runner.

[balln]

even if they trade for him. He aint playing this year.... 

[JDubya76]

If Miami scrapes together enough capital to make the trade, when they intimate Watson will start, does he go to the commissioner exempt list? He’s not accused of murder but the charges are serious and similarly life altering for the alleged victims. 

[YoloinOhio]

On 9/9/2021 at 6:11 AM, Doc said:

Doubtful. That would have already been discovered and revealed by now.  

 

They did? 🤯

He was signed to their PS but now he’s back on ours 

[balln]

3 minutes ago, JDubya76 said:

If Miami scrapes together enough capital to make the trade, when they intimate Watson will start, does he go to the commissioner exempt list? He’s not accused of murder but the charges are serious and similarly life altering for the alleged victims. 

for sure. no chance he plays. the nfl and texans are backdoor agreeing on this

[BillsShredder83]

29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Not sure why Albright is responding to that account. Looks fake af, def not credible. I don't believe they got that offer, but if they turned down three 1s and three 2s, they're a worse franchise than I even thought they were

[Niagara Bill]

Watson's career is over......end of conversation. The only way he gets to an NFL game is to buy a ticket!

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, balln said:

for sure. no chance he plays. the nfl and texans are backdoor agreeing on this

Yeah Houston hasn’t forced NFL to make a decision on Watson.  The trade would probably force them to make a decision 

[Niagara Bill]

On 9/8/2021 at 10:59 PM, jeremy2020 said:

 

Are QBs allowed to talk at Alabama?

Not allowed, are they capable of talking 

😁

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Bangarang]

Can you even call that an update or a scoop? All he really said was something may or may not happen and then mentioned the team that’s been rumored the entire time. 

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Don't know when or how the suspension ends up ( I assume he's suspended eventually), but imo that's basically the only thing Miami is missing is a QB. Hope he dosn't land there, but if he does that team is wayyyy better.

[x-BillzeBubba]

this must be doing Tua a world of motivational good lol

[nucci]

14 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Can you even call that an update or a scoop? All he really said was something may or may not happen and then mentioned the team that’s been rumored the entire time. 

as with most of these reporters. They all say nothing

[ndirish1978]

I don't understand why the media feels compelled to bring this alleged assaulter up every couple days as if he isn't accused of doing despicable things. IMO there should just be a blanket agreement not to talk about Watson until the legal situation is resolved. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

I don't understand why the media feels compelled to bring this alleged assaulter up every couple days as if he isn't accused of doing despicable things. IMO there should just be a blanket agreement not to talk about Watson until the legal situation is resolved. 

 

The NFL needs to take some of the blame. They should just suspend him IMO.

[Bray Wyatt]

If the Eagles get a 1st for Wentz (I believe it goes up to a 1st if he meets playing time incentives) I think they would have 3 1sts next year. Watson would be a good idea for them, plus the Texans would be trading to the NFC.  I don't think Hurts is the answer there

[Buffalo_Stampede]

On 9/26/2021 at 12:55 PM, Niagara Bill said:

Watson's career is over......end of conversation. The only way he gets to an NFL game is to buy a ticket!

We’ll see these girls change their tune. Settlements will be made. It’ll go away.

 

 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Don't know when or how the suspension ends up ( I assume he's suspended eventually), but imo that's basically the only thing Miami is missing is a QB. Hope he dosn't land there, but if he does that team is wayyyy better.

 

I think they're missing a lot more than just a QB.  But he would certainly make them more formidable and solve that piece, assuming he stays healthy and out of (more) legal trouble.

 

And on a side note, after blowing it with Brees, they blew it with Tua over Herbert.  Good.

[dollars 2 donuts]

Honestly, this sort of deviant behavior should put this guy in jail, not suspension and a slap on the wrist.

 

It's stupefying to think that he could get just 6 weeks for this.  

 

and don't tell me "no one was injured or hurt".  BS.  this is assault and it has a creep factor of about 20...man o man.

Edited September 30, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We’ll see these girls change their tune. Settlements will be made. It’ll go away.

 

 

I hope not. I girl is questionable, 2 a conspiracy, 3 a coincident many....he is done like dinner, or like Weinstien as they say.

[JohnNord]

40 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I think they're missing a lot more than just a QB.  But he would certainly make them more formidable and solve that piece, assuming he stays healthy and out of (more) legal trouble.

 

And on a side note, after blowing it with Brees, they blew it with Tua over Herbert.  Good.

The thing is adding DeShaun Watson solves so many problems for Miami.  He’ll be able to overcome a terrible OL by reading defenses, scrambling out of trouble, and making the throws to good skills players that no QB on their roster can.  He’ll also get the benefit of an opportunistic defense, which you’d think should play a little better knowing that they actually have a QB to put points on the board.   
 

He probably doesn’t make Miami a Super Bowl contender but I can definitely them as a dangerous playoff team.  
 

Of course, it’s unlikely to happen because of MassageGate but I can’t figure out why more Dolphins fans aren’t clamoring for this move  

Just now, Buffalo619 said:

Why the delay in suspension? Could it be that the accusations are not credible? Could this be just another “me too” money grab?
 

Houston is making it easy on the NFL.  He’s going to be inactive this season unless they trade him which seems like a long shot.  If Houston were to start him, he’d probably be placed on the exempt list 

[BillsfaninSB]

1 hour ago, Bray Wyatt said:

If the Eagles get a 1st for Wentz (I believe it goes up to a 1st if he meets playing time incentives) I think they would have 3 1sts next year. Watson would be a good idea for them, plus the Texans would be trading to the NFC.  I don't think Hurts is the answer there

It’s crazy to think about it but they might have 3 picks in the top 15 if all those teams continue to be lousy. 

 

Hurts is not the answer but they have a lot of holes and I would think the Eagles would want to take full advantage on the draft.  It should be a deep class in general given the Covid hold-overs from last year. 

[Buffalo Boy]

Just now, Buffalo619 said:

Why the delay in suspension? Could it be that the accusations are not credible? Could this be just another “me too” money grab?
 

   The problem with any conspiracy theory is the idea that you can get a group of humans to work together in an intelligent and coordinated way to foster an outcome.

   If the last 18 months aren’t enough proof…..

[billsherd]

Hopefully some other nfc teams trades for him.

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We’ll see these girls change their tune. Settlements will be made. It’ll go away.

 

 

i have been hearing that for 6 months on Houston radio

[JohnNord]

30 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

It’s crazy to think about it but they might have 3 picks in the top 15 if all those teams continue to be lousy. 

 

Hurts is not the answer but they have a lot of holes and I would think the Eagles would want to take full advantage on the draft.  It should be a deep class in general given the Covid hold-overs from last year. 

If I’m Chris Grier (and the outside chance of Flores), I know I’m probably getting fired if Miami doesn’t make the playoffs.  Why protect draft picks that he might never get the chance to make?

[RoyBatty is alive]

35 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Why the delay in suspension? Could it be that the accusations are not credible? Could this be just another “me too” money grab?
 

Because the NFL has no balls and wont do anything until "forced" to

[ndirish1978]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The NFL needs to take some of the blame. They should just suspend him IMO.

 

Agreed, I'm on record saying he should have been at least put on the Commissioner's exempt list before the season started. Cowards and hypocrites.

[Doc]

If I'm Houston, I let him sit all season and see what teams find out they don't have a franchise QB (there will be many, actually) and then go from there.  No need to trade him before the season since the money's all been paid.

[JohnNord]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

If I'm Houston, I let him sit all season and see what teams find out they don't have a franchise QB (there will be many, actually) and then go from there.  No need to trade him before the season since the money's all been paid.

They are in an odd spot.  On one hand, you want to trade him while the stock high and not low like it now.

 

On the other hand, if he ends up indicted you might not get a chance to trade him at all.  
 

Hopefully they have good intel into the investigation 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

47 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

i have been hearing that for 6 months on Houston radio

Takes time. Especially with the amount of accusations.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Agreed, I'm on record saying he should have been at least put on the Commissioner's exempt list before the season started. Cowards and hypocrites.

Technically they could do it now because it is arbitrary … but they would be going against precedent doing it prior to him being charged. If he settles, and isnt charged he can be suspended like Ben was. I don’t think the case is set to be heard until after the season. 

Edited September 29, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, JohnNord said:

The thing is adding DeShaun Watson solves so many problems for Miami.  He’ll be able to overcome a terrible OL by reading defenses, scrambling out of trouble, and making the throws to good skills players that no QB on their roster can.  He’ll also get the benefit of an opportunistic defense, which you’d think should play a little better knowing that they actually have a QB to put points on the board.   
 

He probably doesn’t make Miami a Super Bowl contender but I can definitely them as a dangerous playoff team.  
 

Of course, it’s unlikely to happen because of MassageGate but I can’t figure out why more Dolphins fans aren’t clamoring for this move  

Houston is making it easy on the NFL.  He’s going to be inactive this season unless they trade him which seems like a long shot.  If Houston were to start him, he’d probably be placed on the exempt list 

If HOU wants to ever trade him they should force the suspension now and "start him". What, you're going to sit him this year voluntarily, so that any inquiring team would inherit his potential suspension? They're killing their own potential haul here. 31 other teams would've managed this better

Edited September 30, 2021 by BillsShredder83

[Doc]

53 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

If HOU wants to ever trade him they should force the suspension now and "start him". What, you're going to sit him this year voluntarily, so that any inquiring team would inherit his potential suspension? They're killing their own potential haul here. 31 other teams would've managed this better

 

I think any team interested in him won't care about the looming suspension.  The suspension will be maybe 6-8 games.  That still leaves many many more years to play.