Dolphins are the frontrunner on trade for Deshaun Watson

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

The Dolphins the last 5 months:

 

 

 

2 OCs will be calling plays

 

Tries to trade for Watson 

 

Watson slammed with sexual assault charges 

 

Drafts the wrong Miami DE

 

Drafts a nice slot WR in the top 10...I guess

 

The CB Miami coaches essentially said wasn't athletic enough to cover Diggs, Xavien Howard demands trade; wants new contract 1 year after signing one; he doesn't report to camp 

 

Team caves says they will give him a new contract after the season.

 

Last week of camp word leaks they will be trading for Watson 

 

Houston does not trade Watson

 

Coach has to hold meeting saying Tua is our guy......for now

 

Tua not named a captain

 

 

 

Brian Flores, leader of men ladies and gentlemen.  Let's check that 2020 week 17 must win box score for them again....

 

My hatred of that team is higher then it was during the Marino years.  Best of luck to them.

 

Good teams don't get blown out in a win and in situation - let alone in a 2nd half played by the opponents backups.  That to me was their measuring stick game, and it to me looked like an 8-8 team that overachieved and won several games they shouldn't (be it key turnovers, missed FGs, blocked STs etc).  Tua will be better than he was a year ago, but they have no run game which is usually a fairly important thing in QB development.  Especially one who isn't particularly athletic.  Their offensive line is a young group, and they're also kind of bad.  

 

Their defense is a good unit, but they aren't someone you fear.  20th in total yards, 23rd in passing, 16th in rushing.  Tops in takeaways, which always ebb and flow a bit especially all the fumble recoveries.  Also, as you face the better offenses - they tend to turn it over less.  

[Doc]

Yeah, counting on takeaways on defense isn't a good strategy.

[DolFAN93]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

The Dolphins the last 5 months:

 

 

 

2 OCs will be calling plays

 

Tries to trade for Watson 

 

Watson slammed with sexual assault charges 

 

Drafts the wrong Miami DE

 

Drafts a nice slot WR in the top 10...I guess

 

The CB Miami coaches essentially said wasn't athletic enough to cover Diggs, Xavien Howard demands trade; wants new contract 1 year after signing one; he doesn't report to camp 

 

Team caves says they will give him a new contract after the season.

 

Last week of camp word leaks they will be trading for Watson 

 

Houston does not trade Watson

 

Coach has to hold meeting saying Tua is our guy......for now

 

Tua not named a captain

 

 

 

Brian Flores, leader of men ladies and gentlemen.  Let's check that 2020 week 17 must win box score for them again....

 

My hatred of that team is higher then it was during the Marino years.  Best of luck to them.

One OC is the passing game coordinator and calls the plays while the other is just the run game coordinator.

 

They weren't the only team with a young QB that tried to trade for Watson.

 

They took the wrong Miami DE because he was injured and didn't play much in the preseason? OK.

 

When did coaches say Howard wasn't athletic enough to cover Diggs? He covered Hopkins and Tyreek so that's a lie. It also doesn't matter if Miami caved to pay him or not.

 

They don't have a say-so in what leaks or not. Prior to that leak, everyone was behind Tua down here so I'm not sure why the narrative changes because someone suddenly spilled info.

 

Players decide if they want to run for captain or not and the rest of the team votes. Tua didn't put his name in to be a captain. You would've had a point if you focused on Miami's best players not being captains. Miami's captains vary; all of the captains from last year's squad are not even on the team for example.

 

Flores is the leader of men and everyone loves him. He has no control over leaks, contracts, perception of team, etc. His job is to coach players, not appease opposing fans.

Edited September 8, 2021 by DolFAN93

[Don Otreply]

7 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

One OC is the passing game coordinator and calls the plays while the other is just the run game coordinator.

 

They weren't the only team with a young QB that tried to trade for Watson.

 

They took the wrong Miami DE because he was injured and didn't play much in the preseason? OK.

 

When did coaches say Howard wasn't athletic enough to cover Diggs? He covered Hopkins and Tyreek so that's a lie. It also doesn't matter if Miami caved to pay him or not.

 

They don't have a say-so in what leaks or not. Prior to that leak, everyone was behind Tua down here so I'm not sure why the narrative changes because someone suddenly spilled info.

 

Players decide if they want to run for captain or not and the rest of the team votes. Tua didn't put his name in to be a captain. You would've had a point if you focused on Miami's best players not being captains.

 

Flores is the leader of men and everyone loves him. He has no control over leaks, contracts, perception of team, etc. His job is to coach players, not appease opposing fans.

Okay 👌…,

[FLFan]

4 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Im sure deep down even Miami thinks Tua isn't going to be good enough.  They would be fools to give up all that for Watson with the off the field issues going on and I think they know that too.  The story may in part be manufactured for news but there is probably some truth that Miami looked.

It really is not that deep down.  Their actions with Fitz last year showed that, as did their flirtation with Watson this year.  

[LeGOATski]

24 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

Players decide if they want to run for captain or not and the rest of the team votes. Tua didn't put his name in to be a captain. You would've had a point if you focused on Miami's best players not being captains. Miami's captains vary; all of the captains from last year's squad are not even on the team for example.

Are you not concerned about this, though? I'd be concerned if Josh wasn't captain or even run for captain in 2019.

[JohnNord]

Someone compared his situation to EJ Manuel with the Bills and Id have to agree.  There are lots of questionable signs, which in isolation aren’t terrible, but in tandem shows what appears to be a lack of confidence in Tua as QB

[FLFan]

28 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

One OC is the passing game coordinator and calls the plays while the other is just the run game coordinator.

 

They weren't the only team with a young QB that tried to trade for Watson.

 

They took the wrong Miami DE because he was injured and didn't play much in the preseason? OK.

 

When did coaches say Howard wasn't athletic enough to cover Diggs? He covered Hopkins and Tyreek so that's a lie. It also doesn't matter if Miami caved to pay him or not.

 

They don't have a say-so in what leaks or not. Prior to that leak, everyone was behind Tua down here so I'm not sure why the narrative changes because someone suddenly spilled info.

 

Players decide if they want to run for captain or not and the rest of the team votes. Tua didn't put his name in to be a captain. You would've had a point if you focused on Miami's best players not being captains. Miami's captains vary; all of the captains from last year's squad are not even on the team for example.

 

Flores is the leader of men and everyone loves him. He has no control over leaks, contracts, perception of team, etc. His job is to coach players, not appease opposing fans.

Well if were a fan of the Fish, I would be worried that my QB is not interested in being a leader, but I guess that is just me.

 

Flores has a good deal of the Bill Belichick arrogance coaching tree in him.  This is not going to end well.  

 

Troll on.

[Jauronimo]

5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Are you not concerned about this, though? I'd be concerned if Josh wasn't captain or even run for captain in 2019.

I'd be WAY more concerned if Josh was being pulled in the 4th quarter of every close game because his backup gave us a better chance to win.

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I'd be WAY more concerned if Josh was being pulled in the 4th quarter of every close game because his backup gave us a better chance to win.

Yeah, that too

[DolFAN93]

3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Are you not concerned about this, though? I'd be concerned if Josh wasn't captain or even run for captain in 2019.

Not at all. Tua is not the most vocal guy. It's already been confirmed by multiple players that he's taken steps to be more of a leader this offseason. A letter on his jersey isn't going to affect how well Miami plays. People seem to have an issue with Tua so this was going to be blown up either way. 

 

Jerome Baker and Christian Wilikins are probably the most vocal and likeable players on the team and they're not captains. That's weird.

[DolFAN93]

7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I'd be WAY more concerned if Josh was being pulled in the 4th quarter of every close game because his backup gave us a better chance to win.

Unfortunately for you, that was last season. We as fans do no lament on something that happened almost a year ago and continue to hope for the worst like you do. 

 

 

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

Not at all. Tua is not the most vocal guy. It's already been confirmed by multiple players that he's taken steps to be more of a leader this offseason. A letter on his jersey isn't going to affect how well Miami plays. People seem to have an issue with Tua so this was going to be blown up either way. 

 

Jerome Baker and Christian Wilikins are probably the most vocal and likeable players on the team and they're not captains. That's weird.

Being vocal isn't being a leader. Isaiah McKenzie is one of the most vocal and likeable guys on the Bills, but I don't think anyone is questioning why he's not a captain. It's not weird at all.

 

On the other hand, you barely ever hear Edmunds talk unless it's calling the plays on defense. But he's a captain. Again not weird.

 

The QB is supposed to be a leader. You'd hope Tua would already be taking that role after his rookie year and considering he was a two year starter at Alabama.

[Warcodered]

Just now, DolFAN93 said:

Unfortunately for you, that was last season. We as fans do no lament on something that happened almost a year ago and continue to hope for the worst like you do. 

 

 

The fact he didn't beat Fitz for the job can't help, and no him not being a captain absolutely looks bad.

[Jauronimo]

9 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

Unfortunately for you, that was last season. We as fans do no lament on something that happened almost a year ago and continue to hope for the worst like you do. 

 

 

How does a new year change the fact that Flores has already demonstrated that he does not have confidence in Tua and won't hesitate to yank him if things get tough?  You think Tua forgot? 

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, DolFAN93 said:

One OC is the passing game coordinator and calls the plays while the other is just the run game coordinator.

 

They weren't the only team with a young QB that tried to trade for Watson.

 

They took the wrong Miami DE because he was injured and didn't play much in the preseason? OK.

 

When did coaches say Howard wasn't athletic enough to cover Diggs? He covered Hopkins and Tyreek so that's a lie. It also doesn't matter if Miami caved to pay him or not.

 

They don't have a say-so in what leaks or not. Prior to that leak, everyone was behind Tua down here so I'm not sure why the narrative changes because someone suddenly spilled info.

 

Players decide if they want to run for captain or not and the rest of the team votes. Tua didn't put his name in to be a captain. You would've had a point if you focused on Miami's best players not being captains. Miami's captains vary; all of the captains from last year's squad are not even on the team for example.

 

Flores is the leader of men and everyone loves him. He has no control over leaks, contracts, perception of team, etc. His job is to coach players, not appease opposing fans.

 

Re Howard not covering Diggs:

 

 

 

With Jones on the sideline with a groin injury, the Dolphins pegged 1st-round pick Noah Igbinoghene to step into his role and cover Bills receiver Stefon Diggs — it didn’t go well.

 

It is hard to blame Igbinoghene too much, he’s an unseasoned rookie who was playing in his second career NFL game. And remember — Igbinoghene was a former wide receiver himself who only logged two seasons on defense for the Auburn Tigers. There will be plenty of better days ahead for the rookie. But why did he get the call to step into covering Diggs as compared to the Dolphins’ other high-priced cornerback, Xavien Howard?

 

Here’s what Dolphins defensive coordinator Josh Boyer had to say:

 

“There’s a lot of factors that go into matching guys up. One, the routes they run. Two, the type of receivers they are and really three, the amount of movement that they do within their scheme. We always put guys in spots that we feel will be best for them and that’s why we made the decisions that we made. Obviously we’ve got to coach it better and we’ve got to play it better, but that’s what went into those decisions,” said Boyer.

 

Indeed, Diggs is a difficult matchup to solve because while he isn’t small, he’s still extremely sudden. And Igbinoghene is a more agile and fluid athlete in short spaces than Howard is — so the thought process made sense. But why didn’t the Dolphins move off of that assignment when it became clear it wasn’t going to stick? Boyer didn’t pull any punches.

 

“There were a lot of routes I would say that they hit us on that were similar routes that one, we can do a better job adjusting as coaches, and that’s on me. That’s not on anybody else. That’s on me. And I would say there’s some things fundamentally that we could do from an execution standpoint that will help us from a player aspect, too.”

 

https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2020/09/22/why-didnt-dolphins-mirror-bills-wr-stefon-diggs-with-xavien-howard/

 

 

Edited September 8, 2021 by Big Blitz

[BuffaloBills1998]

I bet a 100 bucks both Flores and Grier don’t last past this season. Both look extremely incompetent since this whole Watson rumor started. You can tell it’s becoming a distraction in their locker room

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

Someone compared his situation to EJ Manuel with the Bills and Id have to agree.  There are lots of questionable signs, which in isolation aren’t terrible, but in tandem shows what appears to be a lack of confidence in Tua as QB

 

Well....but so far by all reports, hospitality tents are safe from him

[machine gun kelly]

31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well....but so far by all reports, hospitality tents are safe from him

You’re a bad man Hap. 😂🤪🏈

[DolFAN93]

3 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

How does a new year change the fact that Flores has already demonstrated that he does not have confidence in Tua and won't hesitate to yank him if things get tough?  You think Tua forgot? 

I think you care about Flores' stance more than Tua lol. Again, he didn't have faith almost a year ago. Thoughts change, players improve.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, DolFAN93 said:

I think you care about Flores' stance more than Tua lol. Again, he didn't have faith almost a year ago. Thoughts change, players improve.

 

What do you think about your team's pursuit of Watson?  Sorry if you answered earlier.

[DolFAN93]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I bet a 100 bucks both Flores and Grier don’t last past this season. Both look extremely incompetent since this whole Watson rumor started. You can tell it’s becoming a distraction in their locker room

How can one tell this is becoming a distraction in the locker room? Yall just be saying anything.

[DolFAN93]

Just now, Doc said:

 

What do you think about your team's pursuit of Watson?  Sorry if you answered earlier.

I think if the price was right they'd make the trade. Grier, and especially Flores, do not care about perception and rules that most teams abide by. The only reason that I think it didn't happen already is again the allegations, the price is too high, and the fact that Flores has taken a liking to Tua. 

[Coastie]

I'm not closing the books on Tua yet but it has to be this year he shows he is more than an average starter. It I had to play a bet, it would be on not enough. But I'll give him this year to see.

Edited September 9, 2021 by Coastie

[BillsFan619]

3 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I bet a 100 bucks both Flores and Grier don’t last past this season. Both look extremely incompetent since this whole Watson rumor started. You can tell it’s becoming a distraction in their locker room

Really?

 

Why do you feel that way? Besides the Tua situation, he really has brought respectability to Miami. And, sometimes the mark of a leader, is how they navigate through a toxic time. Any team at some point is going to have some toxicity and hard moments.

[Doc]

18 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

I think if the price was right they'd make the trade. Grier, and especially Flores, do not care about perception and rules that most teams abide by. The only reason that I think it didn't happen already is again the allegations, the price is too high, and the fact that Flores has taken a liking to Tua. 

 

So the character of the person doesn't matter, just winning football games does? 

 

3 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:

Really?

 

Why do you feel that way? Besides the Tua situation, he really has brought respectability to Miami. And, sometimes the mark of a leader, is how they navigate through a toxic time. Any team at some point is going to have some toxicity and hard moments.

 

It could be "playoffs or bust" this season for them.  They were close last year and added more talent in the draft.

[DolFAN93]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So the character of the person doesn't matter, just winning football games does? 

I may be mistaken but did Deshaun have character issues prior to the allegations? My apologies if you're not referring to Watson.

Edited September 9, 2021 by DolFAN93

[Orlando Tim]

1 minute ago, DolFAN93 said:

I may be mistaken but did Deshaun have character issues prior to the allegations?

I realize on a different level but Bill Cosby did not have character issues either until he went to jail.

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, DolFAN93 said:

I may be mistaken but did Deshaun have character issues prior to the allegations? My apologies if you're not referring to Watson.

 

How does that change things?  It's one thing to draft a guy and have these allegations pop up.  It's another to know they're out there and then give up a lot to get him just because you're desperate to win games.

[BillsShredder83]

Has anyone seen or heard anything at the possibility of these girls being escorts?  It's wild, but I think it's the 2nd most reasonable solution if he didn't do what he's being accused of.

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

What do you think about your team's pursuit of Watson?  Sorry if you answered earlier.

I want to know his thoughts on his team signing Bobby Hart?

[Malazan]

5 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Being vocal isn't being a leader. Isaiah McKenzie is one of the most vocal and likeable guys on the Bills, but I don't think anyone is questioning why he's not a captain. It's not weird at all.

 

On the other hand, you barely ever hear Edmunds talk unless it's calling the plays on defense. But he's a captain. Again not weird.

 

The QB is supposed to be a leader. You'd hope Tua would already be taking that role after his rookie year and considering he was a two year starter at Alabama.

 

Are QBs allowed to talk at Alabama?

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:

Really?

 

Why do you feel that way? Besides the Tua situation, he really has brought respectability to Miami. And, sometimes the mark of a leader, is how they navigate through a toxic time. Any team at some point is going to have some toxicity and hard moments.

 

Hard to say, but they signed some big type FA last year to multi-year deals and then in one off season started cutting them during this off season.  That in and off itself is not an issue, but several players seemed to balk at several of the cuts and trades and talked about losing major locker room leadership and vocal guys.

 

Then you have the issue with their top CB not dealing with his contract dispute in house, but using the media - again showing a lack of respect and then winning and getting his demands - makes you question how things are done.

 

Tua though is the biggest issue.  They started him last year, but it was obvious that the coaching staff was not comfortable with the decision because every chance things went a touch sour - they pulled him for Fitz.  Then tried to smooth things out by going back to him.  Then this off-season which should be huge for Tua - they begin looking at Watson as a trade at QB.  
 

Again showing a lack in confidence at the most important position.  Then you follow that up with another interview where the HC instead of putting the flames out - fans the flames by beating around the bush.  Then he meets with the team to give the “full backing of the team” speech, but at the same time denies that he needed to do that and then poorly navigates that interaction as the rumors come out that the owner wants Watson to join the team.

 

The final straw to me in the lost of respectability is the way some of his players talk about Tua on national broadcasts - there isn’t this talk of leadership and growth - it is very muted.  I think the players don’t believe he is the long term answer and that the team is trying to get someone else in place and they don’t want to say something and have it contradicted or have the team make them look bad.

 

I think you are right the sign of a leader is how they handle adversity- see McD with the Peterman choice in SD.  That decision could of cost him a locker room, but he talked with the team leadership and they navigated it and still made the playoffs.  
 

Conversely- Flores poorly handled the Tua situation last year and really poorly handled the decisions and choices as if it was out of his hands.  Then he moved on from respected leadership within the locker room that many players questioned and now he has poorly handled the Watson rumors.  I think all 3 show a muted lack of leadership by the HC.

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

Nice take Rottenchester 😏🏈.  I’ve listened and read different rumors that Ross pushed the Tua pick on Flores and Grier.  I don’t know if there is truth to that comment, but if true, I can see the difficulties in navigating that team.  On one hand you have a coach pledging he is behind Tua and we are going to place as many resources around him to win.  Then you hear the stuff that Ross now wants to push for Watson, but then walks those comments back.

 

To me meddling owners is not going to win you championships and sustain long term success.  We’ve seen it in our own backyard with Wilson.  This is one of the reasons I like the Pegulas.  You just don’t read too much about them meddling where they are confident Beane and McD will figure it out, or at least everything is behind closed doors.

 

On paper outside of Tua, there is a lot of talent in that team.  We’ll see as they did win 10 games last year, and had an opportunistic defense last year.  Can they lead even remotely like the Bills are doing up in Buffalo?  For selfish reasons, I hope not.  At least in NE (as much as I hate them with every fiber of my being), you just don’t read or hear much of that confusion.  Sure you hear ex-Patriots whine it was no fun playing up there.  I have no idea how true is that or they just disgruntled after leaving.  BB runs a tight ship and he really is a good leader.  He’s not God as some of the media would like you to believe.

[Doc]

8 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Has anyone seen or heard anything at the possibility of these girls being escorts?  It's wild, but I think it's the 2nd most reasonable solution if he didn't do what he's being accused of.

Doubtful. That would have already been discovered and revealed by now.  

 

8 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I want to know his thoughts on his team signing Bobby Hart?

They did? 🤯

Edited September 9, 2021 by Doc

[Rochesterfan]

12 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Nice take Rottenchester 😏🏈.  I’ve listened and read different rumors that Ross pushed the Tua pick on Flores and Grier.  I don’t know if there is truth to that comment, but if true, I can see the difficulties in navigating that team.  On one hand you have a coach pledging he is behind Tua and we are going to place as many resources around him to win.  Then you hear the stuff that Ross now wants to push for Watson, but then walks those comments back.

 

To me meddling owners is not going to win you championships and sustain long term success.  We’ve seen it in our own backyard with Wilson.  This is one of the reasons I like the Pegulas.  You just don’t read too much about them meddling where they are confident Beane and McD will figure it out, or at least everything is behind closed doors.

 

On paper outside of Tua, there is a lot of talent in that team.  We’ll see as they did win 10 games last year, and had an opportunistic defense last year.  Can they lead even remotely like the Bills are doing up in Buffalo?  For selfish reasons, I hope not.  At least in NE (as much as I hate them with every fiber of my being), you just don’t read or hear much of that confusion.  Sure you hear ex-Patriots whine it was no fun playing up there.  I have no idea how true is that or they just disgruntled after leaving.  BB runs a tight ship and he really is a good leader.  He’s not God as some of the media would like you to believe.

 

I think the ownership has a lot to do with the issues Flores has right now - I totally agree.  I am not sure that Tua is who they wanted to draft at 5, but I know that is who they deconstructed their team the year before to get.  It just happened after the season and injury he was no longer the best QB in the draft.

 

I think Flores would of preferred to ride with Fitz last year as he was Fitzmagic and held Tua until you started to see Fitztragic.  Instead - I think ownership pushed him and the GM to start him before they were ready and hence the poor job at managing him and what seemed to be a lack of faith.

 

Then I think the owner also is pushing the Watson issue - which further undermines the Tua relationship, but then I think Flores and Grier mishandled the talking points around this.  
 

In general the owner is self sabotaging the QB/coach relationship, but they have also done a poor job in handling everything.

 

 

[HOUSE]

Pull the trigger, pull the trigger !  Quick, now!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

8 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Are QBs allowed to talk at Alabama?

Are they capable? 🤔

[DolFAN93]

10 hours ago, Doc said:

 

How does that change things?  It's one thing to draft a guy and have these allegations pop up.  It's another to know they're out there and then give up a lot to get him just because you're desperate to win games.

It doesn't change things at all. Miami trading for Deshaun hasn't happened, and most likely won't, because of what's going on with him right now.

 

My prediction was based on if Watson were innocent. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Are they capable? 🤔

Yes, and they are capable of winning.

 

Imagine how great it would feel if you could say the same about your favorite college team?!?!

Edited September 9, 2021 by Bill from NYC