Which of the 1st round QBs do you think will bust, and which will be great?

[Rico]

23 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Lawrence is future 1st ballot HoFer

How dare you...Tupa was a phenom!

 

At punting

None of these guys, not even Zack Wilson, needs a punch in the face more than Trevor Lawrence. 

[Gigs]

Mac Jones averaged 4.5 yards per pass and most were checkdowns. He didn't show me good pocket awareness when he turned his back to his RT and was rocked. He has to work a lot on mechanics, considering most passes were to the dirt. If he does this against starters he will be toast.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

20 years ago I'd have gladly taken a bet with anyone that:

 

Peyton Manning will be a bust

Tom Brady will be a bust

 

As long as I could also take the field and make 30 other bets, one per team

 

<Insert name here> will be a bust

 

As I know I'd come out ahead money wise on all those bets if I took the field.

 

I will say these days, not so sure I'd make that bet anymore as there seems to be a resurgence in good QB's.  Not sure why??

[machine gun kelly]

Everyone except Lawrence has bust potential.  I’m not getting in that trap as much as I’ve watched all of these guys, no sure things.

 

The biggest variable for so many is the coaching and Mgmt.  Josh walked into a double down awesome situation with Beane, McD, Daboll his entire first three years, and Frazier is underrated for his consistency at defense.

 

I don’t think Darnold would be Allen if he were in Buffalo, but I also don’t think Allen would be who he is today with the Jests.

 

Lawrence makes me nervous as Meyer has no idea how to be an effective NFL coach.  The last HOF conversion guy is J Johnson from my POV.

 

Shanahan and Lynch have a great program in SF.  Tons of talent and coaching, and all injuries coming back.  Lots of raw talent if he sits.  You get my point as I believe Salah could be another McD.  It’s possible.

 

I think Fields I’d screwed as those guys at the top are toast.

Edited August 15, 2021 by machine gun kelly

[Brennan Huff]

Trey Lance will be the best class

 

Zach Wilson will be the biggest bust

[Buffalo_Stampede]

A lot of these rookie QB's have good WR groups. I think we're going to see some big numbers from rookie QB's. 

 

I think Wilson has the toughest road. 

Edited August 13, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

20 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Everyone except Lawrence has bust potential.  I’m not getting in that trap as much as I’ve watched all of these guys, no sure things.

 

The biggest variable for so many is the coaching and Mgmt.  Josh walked into a double down awesome situation with Beane, McD, Daboll his entire first three years, and Frazier is underrated fir his consistency at defense.

 

I don’t think Darnold would be Allen if he were in Buffalo, but I also don’t think Allen would be who he is today with the Jests.

 

Lawrence makes me nervous as Meyer has no idea how to be an effective NFL coach.  The last HOF conversion guy is J Johnson from my POV.

 

Shanahan and Lynch have a great program in SF.  Tons of talent and coaching, and all injuries coming back.  Lots of raw talent if he sits.  You get my point as I believe Salah could be another McD.  It’s possible.

 

I think Fields I’d screwed as those guys at the top are toast.

 

Lawrence - Low expectations.  But honestly the talent is there on the offense.  Etienne gives them another option in the run game.  Chark, Jones, Shenault isn't bad.

Wilson - They added some pieces but the offensive line is still not good.  No run game.  Davis crowder mims is a pretty mediocre group.

 

Lance - Will probably sit for a year.  I think he's in a good spot though.  

 

Fields - Potential to be the greatest bears QB in 50 years.  But that offense will probably still be bad.

 

Jones - They added a ton, he's got a decent chance to get on the field this year.  Offensive line is usually strong there.  I just don't see a potential stud.  Something like Kirk Cousins.  

 

I see Fields and Wilson as most likely busts.  QB starved fan bases who seem to never have QBs, and football has a way of just keeping with tradition.  My guess for the stud is Lawrence.  Lance is a wildcard.  Jones will be fine.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Lawrence - Low expectations.  But honestly the talent is there on the offense.  Etienne gives them another option in the run game.  Chark, Jones, Shenault isn't bad.

Wilson - They added some pieces but the offensive line is still not good.  No run game.  Davis crowder mims is a pretty mediocre group.

 

Lance - Will probably sit for a year.  I think he's in a good spot though.  

 

Fields - Potential to be the greatest bears QB in 50 years.  But that offense will probably still be bad.

 

Jones - They added a ton, he's got a decent chance to get on the field this year.  Offensive line is usually strong there.  I just don't see a potential stud.  Something like Kirk Cousins.  

 

I see Fields and Wilson as most likely busts.  QB starved fan bases who seem to never have QBs, and football has a way of just keeping with tradition.  My guess for the stud is Lawrence.  Lance is a wildcard.  Jones will be fine.  

Fields has a pretty good surrounding cast. 

[H2o]

I think the biggest potential for a washout is Wilson for the Jets. First because he was the #2 overall pick and second the tire fire that has been the Jets organization itself for quite some time now. They always go after the biggest/best OL FA's every year and every year it's swing-and-a-miss. By the time that dust settles they're trying to plug holes with 3rd tier options. At the same time, in watching his college film, I saw an accurate QB with a bit of Rodgers to him with Wilson. The biggest worry with him is his size. He's hovering around 200lbs and is not going to hold up if he's continually getting hit. 

 

I honestly think that Lance is in the best situation out of all the QB's drafted and that he's most likely to be the best QB of the class. We have all seen how much coaching matters with Josh and Lance couldn't ask for a better teacher of the game than Shanahan. He's maximized every QB handed to him. Lance also has a dynamic skillset that Shanahan with get to toy with. None of his prior QB's have had this kind of athleticism outside of Robert Griffin III. Lance is built with a much bigger frame and a stronger arm than Griffin had as well. 

 

Lawrence and Meyer paired together? Meh, I like Trevor's chances better once Meyer steps away or gets fired. 

 

Justin Fields has everything that you would want, but he's basically playing for a lame duck GM and coach. That could hurt his development. 

 

Mac Jones is the highest floor, lowest ceiling QB of the bunch. He's smart, he's accurate, but there's nothing that you see him do that makes you say "wow" really. He will likely be a serviceable starter for NE in that McDaniels offense, dinking and dunking his way down the field. Reminds me of a Pennington type of QB. 

[machine gun kelly]

The last 3-4 posts more eloquently than humble me have amplified my thoughts.  I truly want to give each of these guys the benefit of the doubt as they are young men and their lifelong dream.  I’m not unsympathetic to each of them.  My point was simply where you are drafted with what talent, and most importantly, how well is you’re organization built around them.  It was somewhat of a blessing we didn’t take Mahomes, and took the long road with Tre and then Allen (Id add Edmunds, but too many of you would get ticked at me).

 

Not that I am by ANY means a Jests fan, but I really hope just for the sake of the AFC Salah, can replicate what McD did here, and build a team the right way.   It will take three years, but it would be nice to have the AFCE be what most think the NFCW is now.  I say this as the old phrase iron sharpens iron.  Having a tough division means we are battle tested every year in the playoffs.  I still think we will be kings of the mountain as outside of Mahomes (maybe Herbert in time) will come close to our JA17.    He and Mahomes will be the reincarnation of Manning/Brady.  Mark my words it will be the top billing nationally every year for many many years as it should.

[bills6969]

Wilson 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

12 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Fields has a pretty good surrounding cast. 

Yeah but... its the bears. The bears don't have good quarterbacks. That's just how the world works.

[YoloinOhio]

Lots of rookies to watch today!

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

My pick Fields looked decent in his first action.

[njbuff]

Honestly, I’d be surprised if any of these QB’s are any good or even pro level QB’s.

[YoloinOhio]

As expected, seems like They all had good moments and “welcome to the nfl moments” in their first nfl action. Once defenses start actually scheming for them in the regular season, we will start to see the real evolution of the rookies. I did think they all looked pretty poised, which is a good start. I did not see Lawrence or Wilson but heard they were fine. Also will be good to see them play with their starting WRs at some point. A lot of plays left on the field that were good throws by backups WRs.

[Commish]

Listened to a total of ten minutes of ESPN radio this morning, two separate shows. Both of the hosts we're endlessly pumping up Zach Wilson, after he failed to vomit on himself in two series against a second team defense, as the second coming of Aaron Rodgers. Must have gotten the order to do so from on high in ESPN.

[FireChans]

58 minutes ago, Commish said:

Listened to a total of ten minutes of ESPN radio this morning, two separate shows. Both of the hosts we're endlessly pumping up Zach Wilson, after he failed to vomit on himself in two series against a second team defense, as the second coming of Aaron Rodgers. Must have gotten the order to do so from on high in ESPN.

Lol it’s a Zach Wilson conspiracy to upset Bills fans

[rayray808]

It would be really nice if Mac Jones, Tua and Zach Wilson were all busts but their teams believe in them and give them 3 years or so to prove it 😈

[RobbRiddick]

5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

As expected, seems like They all had good moments and “welcome to the nfl moments” in their first nfl action. Once defenses start actually scheming for them in the regular season, we will start to see the real evolution of the rookies. I did think they all looked pretty poised, which is a good start. I did not see Lawrence or Wilson but heard they were fine. Also will be good to see them play with their starting WRs at some point. A lot of plays left on the field that were good throws by backups WRs.

 

I've seen them all (youtube has some nice "every play by..." videos for each of them). I thought they all looked good in their debuts. Fields started rough but got better in the 2nd half (to be expected as the competition had gone down a step). But he runs well and has some nice zip on his passes.

 

Wilson has something about him with his body language that reminds me (don't call me crazy, I don't mean his playing style) of Brady. He just seems very sure of himself in the game, like he's not at all phased by anything.

 

I thought Lance looked great, Lawrence has that confident look even when his o-line is only giving him a micro second before he gets swallowed up. He seemed to be having fun out there, but of course it's his first game so we'll see how that goes if he spends half the season on his ass.

 

As you say, we won't really know until coordinators start planning for them

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 8/11/2021 at 9:10 PM, Victory Formation said:

Or Wyoming.

 

Generally speaking though, big programs like Alabama and OSU produce very few decent QBs, let alone great ones. Too many star players around them and when they get to the NFL, they no longer have that edge and it’s not so easy anymore.

 

Obviously you can’t rule out X player because he went to X school. If we did that, we wouldn’t have Allen, but the difference is, Allen stood out as a man amongst boys on a very weak roster. Burrow, Hurts, Jones and Tua etc were literally just cogs in the machine.

 

How dare you lump Burrow in w/ Jalen Hurts.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[NickelCity]

I was annoyed that Wilson looked comfortable and in command. 

[jkeerie]

13 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

I was annoyed that Wilson looked comfortable and in command. 

Considering that the Jets played their starters and the Giants didn't, I will reserve any concern for later in the preseason.

[YoloinOhio]

23 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

I was annoyed that Wilson looked comfortable and in command. 

He only played 2 series and they were scripted plays with his starters vs a backup vanilla defense (and a bad team). I don’t have a reason to think he won’t be good in time, he has a big arm and can make plays off the cuff, but the regular season will provide a much different experience for him. 

[NickelCity]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He only played 2 series and they were scripted plays with his starters vs a backup vanilla defense (and a bad team). I don’t have a reason to think he won’t be good in time, he has a big arm and can make plays off the cuff, but the regular season will provide a much different experience for him. 

 

But of course. I'm only saying I would have preferred tripping over his own shoelaces and some ghastly interceptions. It was clear on a number of throws he was locked onto predetermined targets. 

[KGun12TD]

I think Zach Wilson cause you know it’s the Jests. I can see Trevor Lawrence struggle cause I don’t think Urban Mayer will make it in the NFL IMHO.

Edited August 15, 2021 by KGun12TD

[transient]

On 8/11/2021 at 8:10 PM, Victory Formation said:

Or Wyoming.

 

Generally speaking though, big programs like Alabama and OSU produce very few decent QBs, let alone great ones. Too many star players around them and when they get to the NFL, they no longer have that edge and it’s not so easy anymore.

 

Obviously you can’t rule out X player because he went to X school. If we did that, we wouldn’t have Allen, but the difference is, Allen stood out as a man amongst boys on a very weak roster. Burrow, Hurts, Jones and Tua etc were literally just cogs in the machine.

Not that he wasn’t on a loaded team, but Burrow elevated the level of play around him. He was hardly a system QB. He was orchestrating an NFL level passing attack under Joe Brady and he looked every bit the part of future NFL QB during that national championship season. 

[BillsShredder83]

On 8/12/2021 at 10:36 PM, blacklabel said:

Of what I watched, which wasn't a whole lot, I got the vibe that Fields kinda has it. I think he's got something to him and maybe he'll be a boom, we shall see. 

 

The other guys, I dunno about Lance. Only 19 starts at Nebraska. It sounds nuts to say this because we Bills fans haven't had the franchise QB in forever, but, maybe teams are gonna follow the McBeane Method of Quarterback Development! Lance will need consistent coaching and good WRs (they seem ok there, I like dat Deebo kid) just like they gave Josh. The difference is in work ethic and how well they can understand the system and apply it, etc etc. 

 

I didn't see a lot of Wilson. I know he has a good arm and seems to move around well in the pocket. He can go ahead and throw 9 INTs to the Bills D, though. In one game if he wants to be efficient, or spread out over two, we're not....picky....but we are...cause ya see....JFC I gotta go to bed 

North Dakota State 

[BillsShredder83]

On 8/13/2021 at 9:00 AM, Boxcar said:

Fields went vegan, so automatic bust. He's going to be constantly injured and ineffective.

Wow hadn't heard that till now, looked it up abd and yep, what a moron. Going vegan did wonders for Kaep when he lost a chit ton of muscle and transformed into a bone factory, and couldn't stay healthy.

 

I would avoid drafting a guy over that. What a dumb dumb dumb move to start your career

[Boxcar]

Just now, BillsShredder83 said:

Wow hadn't heard that till now, looked it up abd and yep, what a moron. Going vegan did wonders for Kaep when he lost a chit ton of muscle and transformed into a bone factory, and couldn't stay healthy.

 

I would avoid drafting a guy over that. What a dumb dumb dumb move to start your career

Apparently JK Dobbins is also going vegan.

 

I'm more bitter about this than I should be because it derailed Josh Donaldson's career as a Blue Jay. He had constant calf injuries and could never fully recover, all after he started dating a militant vegan. There was a Joe Rogan podcast about it and they couldn't come up with a single top tier vegan athlete.

[YoloinOhio]

24 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

North Dakota State 

What’s funny about that is Nebraska is considered a bigger program but could only dream of having a QB like that at least in recent years 

[billsfan1959]

50 minutes ago, transient said:

Not that he wasn’t on a loaded team, but Burrow elevated the level of play around him. He was hardly a system QB. He was orchestrating an NFL level passing attack under Joe Brady and he looked every bit the part of future NFL QB during that national championship season. 

 

Burrow has been cleared to play and he says he is 100% with no physical limitations. We won't know until we see him in real game action - and the mental aspects of recovering from an injury like that can sometimes be as difficult as the physical aspects.

 

Prior to the injury, I though he displayed everything you would like to see in a potential franchise QB. I hope he completely recovers from his injury.

[BillsShredder83]

18 minutes ago, Boxcar said:

Apparently JK Dobbins is also going vegan.

 

I'm more bitter about this than I should be because it derailed Josh Donaldson's career as a Blue Jay. He had constant calf injuries and could never fully recover, all after he started dating a militant vegan. There was a Joe Rogan podcast about it and they couldn't come up with a single top tier vegan athlete.

It's a bad decision in the nfl. You need protein to recover/heal/get bigger, and plants are just not protein dense. Idc how much beans or whatever other BS you eat, you're depriving your body of the very stuff it needs AND at the highest level.

 

These guys should be devouring grass fed beef and bison. They're some of the small % of people that have ability to eat ELITE food, and they're foregoing the most important thing they could put in their body.

Wish I had the means to eat the way these guys do, and they're throwing it away

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Burrow has been cleared to play and he says he is 100% with no physical limitations. We won't know until we see him in real game action - and the mental aspects of recovering from an injury like that can sometimes be as difficult as the physical aspects.

 

Prior to the injury, I though he displayed everything you would like to see in a potential franchise QB. I hope he completely recovers from his injury.

Unfortunately, the word out of bengals camp is that he’s not quite where he was last year. Could be mental. But he’s had a slow start.

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Unfortunately, the word out of bengals camp is that he’s not quite where he was last year. Could be mental. But he’s had a slow start.

 

That is unfortunate. I hate to see any athlete's career derailed or limited because of injury - especially those with really promising careers. I wish him the best and, hopefully, he will get back to where he was.

[BillsShredder83]

14 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

That is unfortunate. I hate to see any athlete's career derailed or limited because of injury - especially those with really promising careers. I wish him the best and, hopefully, he will get back to where he was.

usually all the hype around #1 overall picks and instant comparing to the "the leagues next Brady" leaves me a little jaded by the time the draft rolls around but never got that with Burrow, seems like a great dude and Cinci has spent enough time in the basement. Hoping he looks great this year and can turn that franchise around!

Edited August 16, 2021 by BillsShredder83

[34-78-83]

Lawrence (duh), Fields and Lance to me are the 3 from this draft that will become top QB's.

[YoloinOhio]

25 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

That is unfortunate. I hate to see any athlete's career derailed or limited because of injury - especially those with really promising careers. I wish him the best and, hopefully, he will get back to where he was.

Me too, I’m rooting for him. 

[snowbelt_subie]

15 hours ago, KGun12TD said:

I think Zach Wilson cause you know it’s the Jests. I can see Trevor Lawrence struggle cause I don’t think Urban Mayer will make it in the NFL IMHO.

 

 

I agree on Trevor Lawrence Between Urb adjusting to the NFL and his Oline is terrible... the first string line was getting worked by browns backups not a good look.

 

As far as the others Wilson looked super comfortable and made some really good 3rd down throws.  its still Really, really , really early to be able to make a judgement on these guys.