Levi locking down CB2?

[Chandler#81]

15 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Regular season they’ll be fine, but come playoff time I suspect it will become a bit of an issue against the top teams…. Especially if the pass rush is nullified by a strong offensive line.

I agree. -😳

 

Its wonderful to be thinking along these lines when discussing concerns about the team -‘we’re good til the playoffs.. but..’

 

Such rarefied air we’re breathing these day!

 

Pinch Me!

[Rock'em Sock'em]

11 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Say what you will, CB 2 was never a glaring weakness on this team since Levi’s been here, imho.

Crowder says "hi".

[SoCal Deek]

You’ll be amazed how good the ENTIRE secondary looks when/if we actually rush the passer! 

[YoloinOhio]

59 minutes ago, Rock'em Sock'em said:

Crowder says "hi".

You will need to refresh my memory on that one. Levi doesn’t usually play in the slot. I know crowder had a good stat day week 1 last year but if I recall correctly they were spoon feeding the short stuff to Darnold on purpose. And unless he was filling in, that would have been Taron.  Levi tends to struggle more with the big, physical outside WRs. Is there a particular game that you referring to?

Edited August 8, 2021 by YoloinOhio

[billybrew1]

13 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I see you point. But that’s where McD and Frazier earn their keep. As much as we focus on the player v player match-up, I don’t think it’s stressed enough how imperative it is that the game plan, play calling and personnel decisions put players in a position to do what they do best. 

Unless we play KC and it looks like Leslie and McD took the week off.....

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Rock'em Sock'em said:

Crowder says "hi".

He’s a slot WR and on his big play, wasn’t even Levi’s side.  
 

 

[BarleyNY]

6 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

yes i agree with that. Levi is not beating back all pros. He’s fighting off the guys getting in there to take his job; what more do you want from the guy. He’s not that bad btw for a 2nd corner some of yall think Beane is just going to pluck another tre white out his whatever. Doesn’t work like that.

All Pro and washed up vets/JAGs aren’t the only two options.  It definitely doesn’t work like that.  There were reasonable options in FA and the draft, but Beane went in other directions.  I’m hoping we add another decent CB for depth before the season starts because we are thin.

[Kwai San]

14 hours ago, StHustle said:

Who cares Sherman got drunk and acted a fool. He didn't physically hurt not one human being and not even any one lies car. Odds of anything close happening again in the last few seasons of his career are slim to none. 

 

His intensity and leadership are something I believe our defense can benefit immensely from. Kinda like the Jish Norman pick up on steroids. He's a guy who will be much more of a solid player than a liability on the field and undoubtedly provide a few flash/splash plays this season.

 

Sign me up!

 

Who cares you ask???  The Process cares!  I trust them to "sign me up!" more so than you thats for sure. 

 

Can you interpret that second sentence there for me?  And I would much rather not entertain the odds of an aging football payer to do anything rational.

[NewEra]

9 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

yes i agree with that. Levi is not beating back all pros. He’s fighting off the guys getting in there to take his job; what more do you want from the guy. He’s not that bad btw for a 2nd corner some of yall think Beane is just going to pluck another tre white out his whatever. Doesn’t work like that.

I want him to be better in man.  I want him to be more athletic and faster.  
 

No, I think that Beane should’ve invested more into a premium position.  I don’t expect him to add another 27.  I expect him to continue to add talent and competition at every position.  I saw cb2 as a position that we would target in FA or the draft.  Maybe both.  Instead, we didn’t sign any FAs and just used a 6th rd pick on the position.  Most draft analysts that break down team needs viewed cb2 as a need.  It’s not some made up random thought.  Most people crowed it as one of our shortcoming.  
 

I expected more.  Not Tre’Davious.  

8 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

and levi was an undrafted free agent. What’s your point

My point is….:we don’t have enough good talent competing for cb2.  I mean…..I think that’s kind of obvious. 

[Mat68]

I appriciate the fire for football and competion Wallace has.  Walk on at Alabama.  5 star Dbs by the barrel full. Every year multiple first or second day draft picks out of their secondary.  Earns a scholarship after 2 years, earns a starting spot at cb his Sr year.  That alone is wild.  Players before him after at Alabama go first or second rd he is undrafted.

 

Seems like the training camp story for the last few years and probably the next few.  Player X has more this and that and is competing with Wallace for the spot.  Wallace beats them out.  Overall, playing acrossed White you are going to get targeted more no matter who you are.

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

I want him to be better in man.  I want him to be more athletic and faster.  
 

No, I think that Beane should’ve invested more into a premium position.  I don’t expect him to add another 27.  I expect him to continue to add talent and competition at every position.  I saw cb2 as a position that we would target in FA or the draft.  Maybe both.  Instead, we didn’t sign any FAs and just used a 6th rd pick on the position.  Most draft analysts that break down team needs viewed cb2 as a need.  It’s not some made up random thought.  Most people crowed it as one of our shortcoming.  
 

I expected more.  Not Tre’Davious.  

My point is….:we don’t have enough good talent competing for cb2.  I mean…..I think that’s kind of obvious. 

I get you. I suppose it may have been a better idea to get a high round rookie DB to try to push Wallace for cb2 rather than going DE/DE/DE at the top of the last two drafts. Too late for that now though. I hope all that investment in the DL can make his job easier indirectly.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

22 hours ago, StHustle said:

Who cares Sherman got drunk and acted a fool. He didn't physically hurt not one human being and not even any one lies car. Odds of anything close happening again in the last few seasons of his career are slim to none. 

 

His intensity and leadership are something I believe our defense can benefit immensely from. Kinda like the Jish Norman pick up on steroids. He's a guy who will be much more of a solid player than a liability on the field and undoubtedly provide a few flash/splash plays this season.

 

Sign me up!

People judge, but most of them probably had stupid drunk moments they wouldn’t want the world to see. Lord knows I have. I mean nothing violent, but certaintly embarrassing situations nonetheless. 

I’ve always felt Levi Wallace was a perfectly functional #2 CB. Sure, he got picked on a couple times last year, but he’s pretty solid. He locked up that Steelers win for us last year w/ a very timely pick. I think we upgrade in the draft next year. Every team isn’t stacked from top to bottom. You have to sacrifice at a couple positions. With Allen’s new contract you’ll have to expect more of that.

Edited August 8, 2021 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

21 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

They keep bringing in guys to compete with Levi and they keep choosing Levi. The best bet for them to 'improve' CB2 was getting a pass rush. 

Reminds me of Fred Jackson. He out competed every running back they brought in to take his place.
 

Levi isn’t a flashy player, but he’s serviceable and has been here going on 4 years. What more can you expect from a UFA? He’s went above and beyond.

Edited August 8, 2021 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[TheyCallMeAndy]

23 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

White has been getting beat by Kumerow, Levi to CB1 confirmed

[TheyCallMeAndy]

5 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Reminds me of Fred Jackson. He out competed every running back they brought in to take his place.
 

Levi isn’t a flashy player, but he’s serviceable and has been here going on 4 years. What more can you expect from a UFA? He’s went above and beyond.

Levi allowed 57% completion percentage and only missed 5% of his tackle attempts, not bad at all. 
 

Sherman allowed 72% and missed 10% of his tackle attempts.

 

Are we sure it’s an upgrade?

[Beast]

23 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Sigh😢

 

Maybe they can get Sherman on a vet minimum😝

 

You guys are ridiculous. Levi Wallace is a freaking solid player.

[billsbackto81]

11 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

You guys are ridiculous. Levi Wallace is a freaking solid player.

Solid depth. He can hold his own with Tre locking down the other side.  If Tre gets injured you have a tandem of Wallace and Jackson out there. 😵😵 Are you comfy with that?

[Beast]

Just now, billsbackto81 said:

Solid depth. He can hold his own with Tre locking down the other side.  If Tre gets injured you have a tandem of Wallace and Jackson out there. 😵😵 Are you comfy with that?

 

No, solid player. I'm pretty danged sure Sean McDermott, a defensive minded coach with a defensive backfield pedigree knows a wee bit more than message board guy.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Solid depth. He can hold his own with Tre locking down the other side.  If Tre gets injured you have a tandem of Wallace and Jackson out there. 😵😵 Are you comfy with that?

How many different teams/players can u say that about? Most I would assume. 

[White Linen]

9 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Solid depth. He can hold his own with Tre locking down the other side.  If Tre gets injured you have a tandem of Wallace and Jackson out there. 😵😵 Are you comfy with that?

 

So?  His job is to handle the other sides responsibilities.  He's not depth,  he's a starter.  What does the possibility of Tre getting hurt have to do with him?

[billsbackto81]

29 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

No, solid player. I'm pretty danged sure Sean McDermott, a defensive minded coach with a defensive backfield pedigree knows a wee bit more than message board guy.

 

27 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

How many different teams/players can u say that about? Most I would assume. 

 

19 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

So?  His job is to handle the other sides responsibilities.  He's not depth,  he's a starter.  What does the possibility of Tre getting hurt have to do with him?

Jeez! The Levi crush is strong around here. I get it, fan favorite UDFA feel good story. The guy didn't get any offers as a UFA and ended up staying here for under 2 mil. because this so called solid player couldn't do any better elsewhere. If you think he's not the weakest link on this unit you got blinders on. Yeah I know every team has a "weak link" no matter how serviceable they may appear. They could've upgraded in FA and chose not to so they're either happy with what they have or thought the money is better spent elsewhere like adding another WR to an already stellar group. 🤔 Yes I know cap implications make things difficult. It is what it is. They made it to the AFCCG with him last season and hopefully the pass rush can make him better than the already solid player he is.

Edited August 8, 2021 by billsbackto81

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

The problem with Levi Wallace, is not his coverage ability in Shawn's defense.  It is lack of being physical to play against the difference between Levi and Mr.  Trye White is White is a more all-around corner with his ability to play physical and tackling in open space.  Too many times you see opposing QB's throw an inside slant or a short dump off to a running back to Levi side and he is not making the tackle, or he is getting pushed off the ball too many times by bigger wide receivers.

[Don Otreply]

50 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Solid depth. He can hold his own with Tre locking down the other side.  If Tre gets injured you have a tandem of Wallace and Jackson out there. 😵😵 Are you comfy with that?

Please. any team losing their #1 CB would be in the same predicament, all pros don’t grow on trees…., nor can a team afford to have them at every position, take a deep breath and relax. 😁👍 

[John from Riverside]

41 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

 

 

Jeez! The Levi crush is strong around here. I get it, fan favorite UDFA feel good story. The guy didn't get any offers as a UFA and ended up staying here for under 2 mil. because this so called solid player couldn't do any better elsewhere. If you think he's not the weakest link on this unit you got blinders on. Yeah I know every team has a "weak link" no matter how serviceable they may appear. They could've upgraded in FA and chose not to so they're either happy with what they have or thought the money is better spent elsewhere like adding another WR to an already stellar group. 🤔 Yes I know cap implications make things difficult. It is what it is. They made it to the AFCCG with him last season and hopefully the pass rush can make him better than the already solid player he is.

This is what I say to your post the bills had every opportunity to draft a corner Hi in this last draft they didn’t they didn’t because they have Levi Wallace I am personally a Dane Jackson fan but the fact of the matter is on any NFL team if the starting corner gets injured and you have to go down the depth chart play is going to suffer it would be the same anywhere and bringing in a old veteran free agent corner would not change that the bills feel they are good with what they’ve gotJackson fan but the fact of the matter is on any NFL team if the starting corner gets injured and you have to go down the depth chart play is going to suffer it would be the same anywhere and bringing in a old veteran free agent corner would not change that the bills feel they are good with what they’ve got

17 minutes ago, Marvlevydraftdaygenius said:

The problem with Levi Wallace, is not his coverage ability in Shawn's defense.  It is lack of being physical to play against the difference between Levi and Mr.  Trye White is White is a more all-around corner with his ability to play physical and tackling in open space.  Too many times you see opposing QB's throw an inside slant or a short dump off to a running back to Levi side and he is not making the tackle, or he is getting pushed off the ball too many times by bigger wide receivers.

The stats actually don’t support that more often than not Levi is making the tackle

 

The fact is Trey is better and that situation would not change if they brought in somebody else

[foreboding]

If this team turns develops a consistent, winning pass rush, our entire secondary will be elite-Levi included.

[BillsFanForever19]

This is not at all shocking to me. Bills fans have been trying to replace him from Day One. The Bills themselves have made him earn the #2 CB spot each and every training camp and preseason. And year in and year out, he goes out and does it. Is he a Superstar in this league? No. But he's a solid player, a solid #2, and I think it's time a lot of fans put some respect on his name.

[White Linen]

4 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

 

 

Jeez! The Levi crush is strong around here. I get it, fan favorite UDFA feel good story. The guy didn't get any offers as a UFA and ended up staying here for under 2 mil. because this so called solid player couldn't do any better elsewhere. If you think he's not the weakest link on this unit you got blinders on. Yeah I know every team has a "weak link" no matter how serviceable they may appear. They could've upgraded in FA and chose not to so they're either happy with what they have or thought the money is better spent elsewhere like adding another WR to an already stellar group. 🤔 Yes I know cap implications make things difficult. It is what it is. They made it to the AFCCG with him last season and hopefully the pass rush can make him better than the already solid player he is.

 

Yeah, I have Levi crush because I said he's a starter.

[Capco]

5 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Jeez! The Levi crush is strong around here. I get it, fan favorite UDFA feel good story. The guy didn't get any offers as a UFA and ended up staying here for under 2 mil. because this so called solid player couldn't do any better elsewhere. If you think he's not the weakest link on this unit you got blinders on. Yeah I know every team has a "weak link" no matter how serviceable they may appear. They could've upgraded in FA and chose not to so they're either happy with what they have or thought the money is better spent elsewhere like adding another WR to an already stellar group. 🤔 Yes I know cap implications make things difficult. It is what it is. They made it to the AFCCG with him last season and hopefully the pass rush can make him better than the already solid player he is.

 

You try to pin the "weakest link" moniker on Levi IN THE SAME POST that you also identify the actual weakest link on the defense:  the pass rush.  

[billsbackto81]

8 hours ago, Capco said:

 

You try to pin the "weakest link" moniker on Levi IN THE SAME POST that you also identify the actual weakest link on the defense:  the pass rush.  

No. Levi is the weakest link. This defense I'm sure you know is a zone "keep it in front of you" scheme. It is supposedly designed to get QB pressure exclusively with the D front. The Bills are not an attack style D, they're opportunists. They led the league in fewest 40 yard and 20 yard pass plays from opposing offenses. And yes I realize Levi was a part of that. I like Levi and I'm not saying he shouldn't be on the team. I'm saying we could've upgraded and done better than a solid guy who had no interest as a UFA and re-signed for practically league minimum. Please don't try to tell me he had offers but took less to stay with Buffalo😄 

[FilthyBeast]

On 8/7/2021 at 4:39 PM, Victory Formation said:

Levi Wallace cannot die. Seems that no matter who we bring in, he beats them out. He’s an underrated corner and not a liability in any way.

 

Because we keep scraping the bottom of the barrel and don't bring in real competition other than late round draft picks, UDFA and washed up veterans.

 

I'm not trying to be overtly negative with Wallace but for all the love this guy is getting just wait until we play the Chiefs again and the cries to replace him will be deafening.

 

There is a reason we signed him dirt cheap and other teams weren't lining up for his services....

[BigAl2526]

I can buy that Levi will win the starting position, but I think Dane Jackson will still get quite a few reps.  I think both are likely to improve.  They both came out of college lacking strength.  Jackson had just adequate speed and Wallace was downright slow.  Players can get stronger, and if they hadn't trained for speed in college, I think they can improve their speed too.  That seems to apply to Levi Wallace.  I don't think either one will ever be much more than adequate, but as others have mentioned, with the D-line getting more pressure, they will start to look quite a bit better.

[Putin]

On 8/8/2021 at 6:08 PM, White Linen said:

 

So?  His job is to handle the other sides responsibilities.  He's not depth,  he's a starter.  What does the possibility of Tre getting hurt have to do with him?

Is that really a question?? 

[White Linen]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

Is that really a question?? 

 

Are sentences with two question marks?

[Motorin']

On 8/8/2021 at 8:44 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

He’s a slot WR and on his big play, wasn’t even Levi’s side.  
 

 

 

Yeah, it looks like we blitzed 7, including a safety and the nickel cb and they hit a quick out screen with blockers setup to spring Crowder... Levi's off screen on the opposite side of the field.

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Motorin'

[billsbackto81]

14 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Because we keep scraping the bottom of the barrel and don't bring in real competition other than late round draft picks, UDFA and washed up veterans.

 

I'm not trying to be overtly negative with Wallace but for all the love this guy is getting just wait until we play the Chiefs again and the cries to replace him will be deafening.

 

There is a reason we signed him dirt cheap and other teams weren't lining up for his services....

Nothing like beating up a bunch of Appalachian State CBs to make you and others think you're Alabama caliber. 😂