Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Boxcar said: Thought it was obvious, but the point is he didn't agree to this, nor did he have a say in its implementation. I'm sure there is boilerplate language in the contracts agreeing to abide by the CBA and any additional rules agreed to by the NFL/NFLPA. There's a process, the NFL didn't just impose these protocols, the NFLPA (his reps) had a chance to discuss and negotiate. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: If we cut him outright, we save $4M on the cap this year. There is that, 👍 and one more thing, in before the lock 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 31 minutes ago, wppete said: After reading his tweets from today I feel Cole retires. Just a guess. I wonder how many other players do the same? Should be an entertaining next few months that’s for sure. Sir, I respect your views and respect you as a poster here, but you have odd-ass notions of entertainment. That is all. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Boxcar said: How do you spread it to teammates that have been vaccinated? Vaccines aren't mandatory. Follow me here, so if Bease isn't vaccinated, then other players may not be vaccinated... The vaccine is also not full proof. Kind of like condoms... Don't want to use a condom, cool. There are potential consequences... Also try not to ***** over your teammates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Be a baby and not get vaccinated? My God. How is Cole or any player that doesn't get vaccinated "not protecting" anyone else - the other non vaccinated have clearly made a choice and are living life accepting the risks. The other players and personnel that would like to have near zero risk of getting it are fully vaccinated. Why does anyone care at this point and how did the NFL and NFLPA think this was the best course of action. I want to hear logic. Any freaking logic. Dude, are you not reading/understanding the issue here? No one cares that he isnt vaccinated. But if you CHOOSE to not get vaccinated then you have to follow the protocols as agreed upon by the NFLPA. And he is saying he WILL NOT follow those protocols either. You dont get to have everything your way with no consequences. THAT is being a baby. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Did you miss the season last year or something? This is just two a several he had last year. https://www.buffalobills.com/video/john-brown-with-a-46-yard-touchdown-catch-from-josh-allen-bills-at-dolphins https://www.nfl.com/videos/josh-allen-unloads-perfect-55-yard-bomb-to-stefon-diggs Don’t feed the troll - let him starve. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, ScottLaw said: Because he doesn’t want to get the vaccine? Nah. You work this out behind closed doors. You don’t just release a guy who your offense heavily relies on. You do if his actions endanger the rest of the team, oh and I did say “if” twice…, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Because he doesn’t want to get the vaccine? Nah. You work this out behind closed doors. You don’t just release a guy who your offense heavily relies on. Again, NO THAT IS NOT WHY. read what Bease is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, CNYfan said: IMO Cole is a good man. He is a great Bill and I hope he will be on the team this year and active. I disagree with his stance but can mostly respect a guy who comes from that place. But I totally disagree with the histrionic melt down on social media and think it is a mistake. Well, I think this sums it up perfectly. None of us are mad at him for not getting the vaccine (even though some of us think that’s incredibly stupid) we’re mad about how he’s handling it as we’re heading into a season with enormous potential. Don’t need the distraction. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm sure there is boilerplate language in the contracts agreeing to abide by the CBA and any additional rules agreed to by the NFL/NFLPA. There's a process, the NFL didn't just impose these protocols, the NFLPA (his reps) had a chance to discuss and negotiate. The point was that people are acting like he made a choice to enter the NFLPA with this in mind. Up to like March of last year, restrictions like this would be inconceivable. I'm not contesting that he is bound by the CBA and NFLPA. It's a philosophical argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I get both sides of it. He has every right to not get the shot. That's not the issue, he also wants to be able to break league rules. Rules the league and the player's union have debated, argued, studied and kvetched about for months and in the end, agreed upon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Also, remember when people on here were all over the media because the Bills said they weren't going to discuss individual's vaccination status? Why are the same people not all over Beasely for breaking that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Because he doesn’t want to get the vaccine? Nah. You work this out behind closed doors. You don’t just release a guy who your offense heavily relies on. He has two options. Get the vaccine or follow the protocols. If he's not going to do either, then you have a problem. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said: Don’t feed the troll - let him starve. Yeah I think it was 10 posts apart of Do YoUr OwN ReSeArCh And the dude literally asking for others to do their own research about JA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He is free to retire, sure. He is free to remain in the NFL, not get the vaccine, and follow the NFL/NFLPA protocols for unvaccinated players. He is free to challenge those protocols and try to get them modified. He doesn't have the choice to remain in the NFL, not get the vaccine, and thumb his nose at the protocols the NFL and NFLPA agreed to as part of their CBA. THIS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Boxcar said: The point was that people are acting like he made a choice to enter the NFLPA with this in mind. Up to like March of last year, restrictions like this would be inconceivable. I'm not contesting that he is bound by the CBA and NFLPA. It's a philosophical argument. I'm not sure he really chose to enter the NFLPA except by choosing the be in the NFL. It's not like there is actually a choice to join or not. That's a whole larger subject/problem but it is not clear how the sports industry could work without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Boxcar said: The point was that people are acting like he made a choice to enter the NFLPA with this in mind. Up to like March of last year, restrictions like this would be inconceivable. I'm not contesting that he is bound by the CBA and NFLPA. It's a philosophical argument. Again, he has options as has been explained to you several times by various people. He doesn't like his options and wants everything to change to suit him personally which is what people have a problem with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: No. We’re just the Bickering Stadium Wallers Actually, it was the same year (‘89). House Ballard’s missed block got Kelly injured and Jimbo went off. Thurman retaliated while Reich went 3-0. The team got their act together enough to win the Division and lost a heartbreaker to Cleveland in the playoffs. But that game ‘created’ the K-Gun. By ‘90, everything was happiness and unicorns. Rico ‘the Rock!’ ‘If ya Sa-MEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOW! What the Rico is cookin’!’ I love his podcast 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Vaccines aren't mandatory. Follow me here, so if Bease isn't vaccinated, then other players may not be vaccinated... The vaccine is also not full proof. Kind of like condoms... Don't want to use a condom, cool. There are potential consequences... Also try not to ***** over your teammates. especially if you're not wearing a condom. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, ScottLaw said: Endanger the team? If McD and co have as much buy in and such a strong culture as they lead on, then one guys difference of opinion shouldn’t endanger the team. Scott, youre better than this. You are completely missing a huge part of what is happening with Beasley. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Vaccines aren't mandatory. Follow me here, so if Bease isn't vaccinated, then other players may not be vaccinated... The vaccine is also not full proof. Kind of like condoms... Don't want to use a condom, cool. There are potential consequences... Also try not to ***** over your teammates. If vaccinated players are allowed to travel and go mask free around all of us common folk, why the concern about them being around unvaccinated teammates? 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: 40 + in the air. I’m pretty sure you can find those on your own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Why doesn’t Cole just sit and talk to (read: listen to) Tommy Sweeney for two hours instead of being on Twitter. 6 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Dude, are you not reading/understanding the issue here? No one cares that he isnt vaccinated. But if you CHOOSE to not get vaccinated then you have to follow the protocols as agreed upon by the NFLPA. And he is saying he WILL NOT follow those protocols either. You dont get to have everything your way with no consequences. THAT is being a baby. Yea. And? The protocols are trash. De facto forced vaccination. None of my questions remain answered regarding justifying the protocols other then "we got it and so should you!!" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, ScottLaw said: Endanger the team? If McD and co have as much buy in and such a strong culture as they lead on, then one guys difference of opinion shouldn’t endanger the team. You miss the very obvious point, but that’s okay, I’m bowing out of this thread before it fully goes down the road it’s traveling, later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Scott, youre better than this. You are completely missing a huge part of what is happening with Beasley. Scott isn't better than this, you should know that by now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Boxcar said: How do you spread it to teammates that have been vaccinated? There is plenty of information out there about vaccination effectiveness. None of the current vaccines are 100% effective against the original Covid strain and less against the variants. Here is a well-referenced a link for you: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/the-covid-delta-variant-how-effective-are-the-vaccines Further discussion of vaccine effectiveness will be zapped. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Why doesn’t Cole just sit and talk to (read: listen to) Tommy Sweeney for two hours instead of being on Twitter. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. He has a teammate who's season was ended by COVID. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Side note, living in a nice hotel room and not having to see people would be the only reason I wouldn’t have gotten the vaccine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 He has a right to speak his opinion. I'm not one of those "shut up and play sports" people (those people are conspicuously absent from this discussion). But if he's going to actively break NFL rules then he's too selfish to remain on the team. McDermott must be furious right now. 3 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Maybe but they could just fine him Yes. Then fine everyone that doesn't have the Flu shot. And whatever else government and big-business says. Edited June 18, 2021 by Beast 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Endanger the team? If McD and co have as much buy in and such a strong culture as they lead on, then one guys difference of opinion shouldn’t endanger the team. If he retires, he retires, but release him? Nah. Force his hand. You are completely missing the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I'd have a lot more sympathy for him if there was any evidence getting the vaccine was the least bit harmful, or if he wasn't spouting nonsense about COVID, but screw him. He's just another ignorant anti-vaxxer who apparently doesn't realize there are lots of requirements concerning a multitude of vaccines in this country that have been around for a long time and for which he didn't have any input either. As was mentioned above, either get vaccinated, live with the protocols if you choose not to, or retire. This kind of crap is going to ruin what was shaping up to be an exciting NFL season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 59 minutes ago, Process said: Elijah Moore would look sooooo good in a bills uni right now. I so wanted him at 30. Said at the time in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Klaista2k said: Why are you so worried about someone questioning a Scamdemic? You realize what normal people (us “sheep”) think when you use a word like “scamdemic,” right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Beast said: Yes. Then fine everyone that doesn't have the Flu shot. And whatever government and big-business says. Not fine him for not getting the vaccine. Fine him for refusing to follow the protocols for unvaccinated people. How are so many of you missing this point? It isnt about forcing a vaccination. He can be unvaccinated. But he has to follow the unvaccinated protocols then. Simple. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, HappyDays said: He has a right to speak his opinion. I'm not one of those "shut up and play sports" people (those people are conspicuously absent from this discussion). But if he's going to actively break NFL rules then he's too selfish to remain on the team. McDermott must be furious right now. So, he should just take a vaccine he does not want to take just so he can play football when money is not an issue with him? Yeah, OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Pokebball said: If vaccinated players are allowed to travel and go mask free around all of us common folk, why the concern about them being around unvaccinated teammates? Cause when unvaccinated teammates get infected by unvaccinated teams who refused to follow the protocols, then you end up playing on a Tues night with Brandon Powell as your starting QB. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He is free to retire, sure. He is free to remain in the NFL, not get the vaccine, and follow the NFL/NFLPA protocols for unvaccinated players. He is free to challenge those protocols and try to get them modified. He doesn't have the choice to remain in the NFL, not get the vaccine, and thumb his nose at the protocols the NFL and NFLPA agreed to as part of their CBA. And his current approach to challenging the protocols leaves a lot to be desired. If he chooses to try a stunt motorcycle jump and gets killed, that probably violates some terms of his contract and/or team rules. His argument would apply equally to that: "I am going to live my life" and "God's will". That is not a focused argument on "I should be allowed to bring my family with me because that restriction is unreasonable compared to the relative risk it introduces". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I haven't read the entire, so apologies in advance. Curious to see if NFL will allow teams to place a player who is unvaccinated and unwilling to follow league Covid protocols on an exemption list or if team has to carry player on their 53 man roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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