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5 minutes ago, Frat-Train said:

Wait...  We CAN have nice things???????

 

Yes like raised ticket prices and PSL fees.  I went thru this going from Giants Stadium to MetLife. At Giants Stadium everything cost me $1700. At MetLife its $3700. Nice things indeed. Enjoy the current stadium for as long as you can. New stadiums aren't worth the cost IMHO.

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If this were a legal case, with Goodell as the judge and Jones as an attorney, Jones would be asked to recuse himself due to a conflict of interest.

 

Why is that not happening now?

 

Let's just win the Super Bowl. Then this frilly stuff will take care of itself.

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3 minutes ago, BornAgainBillsFan said:

If this were a legal case, with Goodell as the judge and Jones as an attorney, Jones would be asked to recuse himself due to a conflict of interest.

 

Why is that not happening now?

 

Let's just win the Super Bowl. Then this frilly stuff will take care of itself.

 

Unsure as to why you think like that.  Basically the Pegs are looking at the leading firm in the industry to assist them in making VERY important decisions.  AND he is having Steinbrenner assist.  In my book thats a win win.....sure beats trying to do it yourself.  Anyone is business will tell you bring in the experts to assist with the decision making process.

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7 minutes ago, BornAgainBillsFan said:

If this were a legal case, with Goodell as the judge and Jones as an attorney, Jones would be asked to recuse himself due to a conflict of interest.

 

Why is that not happening now?

 

Let's just win the Super Bowl. Then this frilly stuff will take care of itself.


Why would they need to recuse themselves and what does winning the SB have to do with getting a new stadium?

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The only way a new stadium is worth it is if it's built downtown and gets a ton of major concerts and events year round. Enjoy the relatively inexpensive tickets while you can. We will pay for the new stadium with increased ticket and concession costs, personal seat licenses, and higher taxes.

 

However, I think it would do wonders for Buffalo's economy and the shops and restaurants within a few miles of the stadium would thrive. Finding a parcel of land that large near downtown that also has the proper infrastructure is no easy task. With the cost of land reaching a peak right now, they may have to wait a few years for the housing market to die down or risk getting into a bidding war.

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27 minutes ago, Frat-Train said:

Wait...  We CAN have nice things???????

not yet

7 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

The only way a new stadium is worth it is if it's built downtown and gets a ton of major concerts and events year round. Enjoy the relatively inexpensive tickets while you can. We will pay for the new stadium with increased ticket and concession costs, personal seat licenses, and higher taxes.

 

However, I think it would do wonders for Buffalo's economy and the shops and restaurants within a few miles of the stadium would thrive. Finding a parcel of land that large near downtown that also has the proper infrastructure is no easy task. With the cost of land reaching a peak right now, they may have to wait a few years for the housing market to die down or risk getting into a bidding war.

when would people go to these shops and restaurants?

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Those stadiums are amazing.  However, I worry about losing the personality of the Bills fans 

 

Baltimore and Pittsburgh are perfect examples of stadiums that I could nap in during overtime 

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A new stadium wouldn't just effect people going to games in person it'd also allow for a fully updated system for the broadcast to use which would make things better for television viewers and I'd think make home Primetime games more likely.

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23 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Yes like raised ticket prices and PSL fees.  I went thru this going from Giants Stadium to MetLife. At Giants Stadium everything cost me $1700. At MetLife its $3700. Nice things indeed. Enjoy the current stadium for as long as you can. New stadiums aren't worth the cost IMHO.

it’s alright, Bills fans are rolling in the dough

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3 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

it’s alright, Bills fans are rolling in the dough

 

A lot of them will get priced out though. At Giants Stadium both the Jets and Giants had 78,000 season ticket holders as well as people on a waiting list. I think the Giants still sellout with season ticket holders but the Jets don't. They having been trying to sell seasons and individual tickets since MetLife opened.  Either people don't want to pay it or can't afford it. It sucks but that is the reality with new stadiums.

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2 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

A lot of them will get priced out though. At Giants Stadium both the Jets and Giants had 78,000 season ticket holders as well as people on a waiting list. I think the Giants still sellout with season ticket holders but the Jets don't. They having been trying to sell seasons and individual tickets since MetLife opened.  Either people don't want to pay it or can't afford it. It sucks but that is the reality with new stadiums.

 

He's joking as the greater Buffalo area is not one of the more affluent areas of the country.

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35 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

Yes like raised ticket prices and PSL fees.  I went thru this going from Giants Stadium to MetLife. At Giants Stadium everything cost me $1700. At MetLife its $3700. Nice things indeed. Enjoy the current stadium for as long as you can. New stadiums aren't worth the cost IMHO.

PSL Stadium had the Jets go from having a waiting list for season tickets to advertising that tickets are for sale

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7 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

PSL Stadium had the Jets go from having a waiting list for season tickets to advertising that tickets are for sale

Yes. I hear the advertisements on radio and TV commercials all the time when football season gets closer. My PSL fee is one of the cheaper ones. Its $5000 per seat. I have two tickets and I am paying it over 10 years. Of course the Jets are charging me interest since I didn't pay it one shot.  

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1 minute ago, Greg S said:

Yes. I hear the advertisements on radio and TV commercials all the time when football season gets closer. My PSL fee is one of the cheaper ones. Its $5000 per seat. I have two tickets and I am paying it over 10 years. Of course the Jets are charging me interest since I didn't pay it one shot.  

Roger Goodel said PSL's are good investments lol

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15 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Change is inevitable.  Let's hope it doesn't price the average Bills fan out of game attendance or destroy the game day atmosphere.

Agreed.  But then again, with Jones' fingers in the mix, there will be 'glory holes'. 😳

 

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9 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

He's joking as the greater Buffalo area is not one of the more affluent areas of the country.

 

I should have picked up on that. I have been to Bills games and I know the area is a hard working blue collar community. It will be interesting to see what the Pegula's charge for the Buffalo market. I doubt it will be what we pay in NJ since we have NYC's corporate support the teams can count on.

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People are really jumping to incredible assumptions with this post.

 

I am waiting for the inevitable post about how wonderful a Super Bowl would be in Buffalo.

 

ANY fool can go and hire a consultant, makes total sense what the Pegulas are doing, spend a million get some consultant in and if nothing else get your fan base excited over a POSSIBLE new stadium.

 

I would say the odds of a new stadium for the Bills in the next 5 years have gone from 0.5% to 5% with the hiring of these consultants.  These consultants are going to survey potential sponsors, any consultant can do that.  Are they magically going to revitalize WNY economically and  find find sponsors for a new stadium?  How long did it take to get a sponsor just to name the current one.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Those stadiums are amazing.  However, I worry about losing the personality of the Bills fans 

 

Baltimore and Pittsburgh are perfect examples of stadiums that I could nap in during overtime 

Virgil you are spot on.

 

I have been to several games at Jerry's world...yes nice seats great food, pelntiful bars & restrooms BUT it totally lacks the ambience of the Bills stadium.  It is so large it is like almost being outside, you can barely hear the crowd and I end watching most of the game on the massive overhead TVs.  I think most Bills fans  such as myself would hate and impersonal stadium such as that.  Complain all you want about the current stadium but it is near perfect imo for the Bills, a great reflection of our history and culture.

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Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

Virgil you are spot on.

 

I have been to several games at Jerry's world...yes nice seats great food, pelntiful bars & restrooms BUT it totally lacks the ambience of the Bills stadium.  It is so large it is like almost being outside, you can barely hear the crowd and I end watching most of the game on the massive overhead TVs.  I think most Bills fans  such as myself would hate and impersonal stadium such as that.  Complain all you want about the current stadium but it is near perfect imo for the Bills, a great reflection of our history and culture.

 

I guess the thing for fans like yourself to do might be, to write to the Pegulas and express these sentiments that you hope any new stadium will reflect the Bills stadium character and the Buffalo area, and not become impersonal "Jerry World"?

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1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Virgil you are spot on.

 

I have been to several games at Jerry's world...yes nice seats great food, pelntiful bars & restrooms BUT it totally lacks the ambience of the Bills stadium.  It is so large it is like almost being outside, you can barely hear the crowd and I end watching most of the game on the massive overhead TVs.  I think most Bills fans  such as myself would hate and impersonal stadium such as that.  Complain all you want about the current stadium but it is near perfect imo for the Bills, a great reflection of our history and culture.

I mean if you're building a new stadium you should definitely make sure to have the acoustics down right to get the most out of a homefield advantage.

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40 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

The only way a new stadium is worth it is if it's built downtown and gets a ton of major concerts and events year round. Enjoy the relatively inexpensive tickets while you can. We will pay for the new stadium with increased ticket and concession costs, personal seat licenses, and higher taxes.

 

However, I think it would do wonders for Buffalo's economy and the shops and restaurants within a few miles of the stadium would thrive. Finding a parcel of land that large near downtown that also has the proper infrastructure is no easy task. With the cost of land reaching a peak right now, they may have to wait a few years for the housing market to die down or risk getting into a bidding war.

There have been many studies done that show new stadiums unfortunately do nothing for a cities economy 

 

It's just a talking point to get taxpayers on board

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Virgil you are spot on.

 

I have been to several games at Jerry's world...yes nice seats great food, pelntiful bars & restrooms BUT it totally lacks the ambience of the Bills stadium.  It is so large it is like almost being outside, you can barely hear the crowd and I end watching most of the game on the massive overhead TVs.  I think most Bills fans  such as myself would hate and impersonal stadium such as that.  Complain all you want about the current stadium but it is near perfect imo for the Bills, a great reflection of our history and culture.

 

Especially since Buffalo is known for their tailgating. Having restaurants, bars, and shops inside the stadium isn't needed.

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1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

Yes like raised ticket prices and PSL fees.  I went thru this going from Giants Stadium to MetLife. At Giants Stadium everything cost me $1700. At MetLife its $3700. Nice things indeed. Enjoy the current stadium for as long as you can. New stadiums aren't worth the cost IMHO.

 

 

I agree but the NFL is a business and they are looking to soak money out of whatever sources they can extract it.

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