Warcodered Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Isn't their best DB not there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Having Pick 5 and Pick 3 the last two years and coming away with Tua is a good result for the Bills… 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 From what I saw, they had a constant downpour at practice. It’s June though so this means absolutely nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 He's practicing for the season i hope he continues LOL !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I get that we like this and don't want to consider any 'excuses', but it was a torrential downpour. If this was an actual game, they wouldn't have been playing. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 minute ago, jeremy2020 said: I get that we like this and don't want to consider any 'excuses', but it was a torrential downpour. If this was an actual game, they wouldn't have been playing. The Dolphins fans are saying that this is a remarkable catching exhibition from their secondary in appalling conditions so whats not to like...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Mandatory reading for anyone actively participating in this thread. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I mean while this would obviously be concerning I imagine the Dolphins are really emphasising taking chances and getting the ball out to Tua at the moment. His biggest issue in 2020 was being too safe. He didn't throw to guys who weren't wide open. At this stage of the offseason there might be an element of over compensating. Not to say this is good, it's not - and there was always the concern as to whether his arm is good enough to make tight window NFL throws. But conservatism was the first problem to tackle with Tua. If this season playing more aggressive he becomes a turn over machine then they will have to move on, but that is preferable to trying to prop him up another year playing small ball football and hiding his limitations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplebulldog Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Well its mini camp. However, I think if he stinks the joint up this year, they have the 22 draft capital to pull the trigger on Watson, if he is cleared. That's not a great thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DQW87 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) To be fair, they were wearing Dolphin helmets too. Edited June 21, 2021 by DQW87 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) Noted tua homer 19 minutes ago, FireChans said: Mandatory reading for anyone actively participating in this thread. 7 picks over 6 TC practices with a live defense? Not a huge deal Edited June 15, 2021 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Didn't Mahomes throw a lot of interceptions leading up to the 2018 season? Just sayin' Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman used to throw a lot of INTs too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 59 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: I get that we like this and don't want to consider any 'excuses', but it was a torrential downpour. If this was an actual game, they wouldn't have been playing. When have they stopped a game due to rain? If there was Lightning games get postponed, but they would of canceled practice if that was the case also. They have played games in the aftermath of hurricanes with non-stop rain. This is a potential playing condition that he might have to deal with. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Nothing to look at here - Fitz will come... OH WAIT - WHAT, NO FITZ???? 😱 Edited June 15, 2021 by cd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I mean while this would obviously be concerning I imagine the Dolphins are really emphasising taking chances and getting the ball out to Tua at the moment. His biggest issue in 2020 was being too safe. He didn't throw to guys who weren't wide open. At this stage of the offseason there might be an element of over compensating. Not to say this is good, it's not - and there was always the concern as to whether his arm is good enough to make tight window NFL throws. But conservatism was the first problem to tackle with Tua. If this season playing more aggressive he becomes a turn over machine then they will have to move on, but that is preferable to trying to prop him up another year playing small ball football and hiding his limitations. I agree, but it was noted that the throws were not real aggressive - so it did not sound like overcompensating- it sounded more like a very wet/heavy ball and bad placement/late throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I agree, but it was noted that the throws were not real aggressive - so it did not sound like overcompensating- it sounded more like a very wet/heavy ball and bad placement/late throws. Some of the placement is about him holding it too long though. I don't mean aggressive in terms of chucking it down the field so much as I mean letting the ball go. He was scared to let it go. That is the absolute first thing to tackle. They might have to live with some picks even in the season but they can't win babying him. They have to be prepared to fail big to give him a chance to succeed IMO. You can't develop franchise QBs playing defense and running the ball then just asking them to make a few throws anymore. You have to take the risk that they suck by developing them throwing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 We should probably enjoy this while we can. Miami will really push for DeShaun now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 meh, it's day 1 of mini camp and no idea what lead to the picks, good throws/bad throws, on the receivers/qbd, etc. That said...hahaha poor dolphin fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Some of the placement is about him holding it too long though. I don't mean aggressive in terms of chucking it down the field so much as I mean letting the ball go. He was scared to let it go. That is the absolute first thing to tackle. They might have to live with some picks even in the season but they can't win babying him. They have to be prepared to fail big to give him a chance to succeed IMO. You can't develop franchise QBs playing defense and running the ball then just asking them to make a few throws anymore. You have to take the risk that they suck by developing them throwing. Gunner - I totally agree - I took your aggressive comment as tighter window throws - not chucking it down field. The comment from the reporter sounded like these were not even necessarily tight throws - they were late throws and with the water logged ball - slow and the defense got to them. Maybe in better weather those are completions and as others have said - it is June - he has a lot of time, but when you combine this with his being babied last year and not taking risks - even when supported by a top flight defense and couple that with a new OC - so many new things to learn - I am not sure they are developing a franchise QB properly. I would say this staff has broken just about every rule for properly developing a QB they could. They put him in before he was ready. They let him play while injured- even if mild. They pulled him in close and important games. They babied him when he was the QB. They switched OC after his first season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I wish we had DBs that good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 And this is without their best cb Xavien Howard at practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Tua is going to be a good one. He just needs time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Camp is where you make mistakes, find out what not to do, and get better so this report doesn't mean anything to me. But thank goodness the Dolphins drafted Tua over Herbert. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonderful Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Don't underestimate the loss of Chan Gailey. Dude knew how to run an offense. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: When have they stopped a game due to rain? If there was Lightning games get postponed, but they would of canceled practice if that was the case also. They have played games in the aftermath of hurricanes with non-stop rain. This is a potential playing condition that he might have to deal with. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Camp is where you make mistakes, find out what not to do, and get better so this report doesn't mean anything to me. But thank goodness the Dolphins drafted Tua over Herbert. I guess but I think that’s more the TC stage. 7 on 7 time is supposed to be easiest stage. The ball didn’t touch the ground or the DBs in Joe Burrow’s 7 on 7 session yesterday, which is how it’s supposed to go. it’s just practice and he can still be a good player but right now he’s just a smallish QB with a pretty good arm and an injury history. Tua doesn’t have a fastball and doesn’t have any elite traits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Camp is where you make mistakes, find out what not to do, and get better so this report doesn't mean anything to me. But thank goodness the Dolphins drafted Tua over Herbert. Camp is not where you just make mistakes. Camp is where you are measured and/or earn a job. Right now Dane Jackson is battling with Levi Wallace for the #2 CB role. Do you think the coaching staff is not going to take into account who struggles more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Once again reminded how lucky the Bills are that Miami fans insisted on drafting Tua, they would have lost it if Herbert was the pick. And yes, I do believe Miami made the pick to make the fans happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Tua is going to be a good one. He just needs time Yes. Kind of like how just EJ and Peterman needed more time to perfect their craft. Edited June 16, 2021 by prissythecat grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Tank for tua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 13 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Some of the placement is about him holding it too long though. I don't mean aggressive in terms of chucking it down the field so much as I mean letting the ball go. He was scared to let it go. That is the absolute first thing to tackle. They might have to live with some picks even in the season but they can't win babying him. They have to be prepared to fail big to give him a chance to succeed IMO. You can't develop franchise QBs playing defense and running the ball then just asking them to make a few throws anymore. You have to take the risk that they suck by developing them throwing. Or pulling them when the game is on the line. The media acting like Flores was some kind of genius with his "relief pitcher" was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Why draft a guy 5th overall if you dont trust him to win the game? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Or pulling them when the game is on the line. The media acting like Flores was some kind of genius with his "relief pitcher" was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Why draft a guy 5th overall if you dont trust him to win the game? It also made no sense wrt his development. He was down 10 points on the road in Denver with plenty of time left - hadn’t played terrible, just a bit tentative up to that point - why not see if he can bring the team back? It was only 10 points and Denver wasnt some juggernaut. I’m no genius but it seems you would want your future franchise QB to gain experience in those situations rather than be sheltered from them Edited June 16, 2021 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Camp is not where you just make mistakes. That's not even what I said. Coaches will challenge players more in camp to find out what they can and can't do well. Tom Brady throws more INTs in camp then the regular season. All I'm saying is camp INTs doesn't mean much. Edited June 16, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 13 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Some of the placement is about him holding it too long though. I don't mean aggressive in terms of chucking it down the field so much as I mean letting the ball go. He was scared to let it go. That is the absolute first thing to tackle. They might have to live with some picks even in the season but they can't win babying him. They have to be prepared to fail big to give him a chance to succeed IMO. You can't develop franchise QBs playing defense and running the ball then just asking them to make a few throws anymore. You have to take the risk that they suck by developing them throwing. I always remember Fitzpatrick crediting his experience as a scout team quarterback as giving him what he needed to be a starting QB. He'd throw passes he knew that HE shouldn't make, but since he was being Aaron Rodgers, he'd let it rip....and it would work. He realized he should let it rip and it gave him success. Yes, it makes him a turnover machine at times, but works more than it doesn't and has given him more success than his talent should afford. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: That's not even what I said. Coaches will challenge players more in camp to find out what they can and can't do well. Tom Brady throws more INTs in camp then the regular season. All I'm saying is camp INTs doesn't mean much. I would like to see something where Brady, on a 7 on 7 drill throws multiple INT's all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 12 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Tua is going to be a good one. He just needs time Reverse jinx I like your style 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 38 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I would like to see something where Brady, on a 7 on 7 drill throws multiple INT's all the time. I know last year I read early on he was throwing picks. Camp is about learning from mistakes, especially QB. Obviously you don't want to be making mistakes throughout camp. Tua will learn from those INTs. The coaches will as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I know last year I read early on he was throwing picks. Camp is about learning from mistakes, especially QB. Obviously you don't want to be making mistakes throughout camp. Tua will learn from those INTs. The coaches will as well. The concern here is there is no pass rush, it's OTA's. Tua struggled last camp and already early on, in a 7 on 7 with no DL in front of him, still is turning it over. You're not reading the same thing about Burrow or Herbert. Even as raw as Allen was his rookie year, I don't remember him throwing 5 picks in a 7 on 7 session. This is supposed to be a pitch and catch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 19 hours ago, RobbRiddick said: Tua even looks crap in shorts I thought the GQ ratings were Sherlock Holmes exclusive responsibility. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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