Blainorama5 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: New England never fell into the trap of paying top dollar for that one guy who would come in and save the day - and they ended up with a dynasty. True, but they did "stumble" onto arguably (hate even typing this) the best QB ever. **shudder** 🤑 Guys wanted to go play with him. When you have a great QB, that tends to help everything else on your team. Hoping that's the case with Allen now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: I would argue that most of our key players are ascending in their careers, not on the downside, so staying pat does bring along with it some room for improvement versus our competitors. New England never fell into the trap of paying top dollar for that one guy who would come in and save the day - and they ended up with a dynasty. I would also argue that home field would have helped tremendously and we did not have it last year, but it is certainly possible that we get to that point this year. Finally I would argue that the key to winning a Super Bowl is to be in the playoffs .. the more times you are in the better your chances that you will break through on one. Managing your cap puts you in position to not be one and done, but to be in the playoffs year after year .. which leads to chances to go the whole way. Please don't compare NE to anything in your lifetime. They had the best talent evaluators and coaching in history. Don't count on ascending careers from our young guys when you're looking at Mahomes, Kelce, Hill and an O-line that dominated us 2 times last season. We have the core players to be a playoff team but don't delude yourself, there are glaring weaknesses that must be addressed if we want to win it all. Josh will get his deal soon and there will be less cap to play with. We have space created by Beane's maneuvers. A few key additions while our window is now will be key. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: Please don't compare NE to anything in your lifetime. They had the best talent evaluators and coaching in history. Don't count on ascending careers from our young guys when you're looking at Mahomes, Kelce, Hill and an O-line that dominated us 2 times last season. We have the core players to be a playoff team but don't delude yourself, there are glaring weaknesses that must be addressed if we want to win it all. Josh will get his deal soon and there will be less cap to play with. We have space created by Beane's maneuvers. A few key additions while our window is now will be key. The best way to win a championship is to have the best Quarterback. If Allen gets to the point where he is better than Mahomes, the Bills will win a championship. In this era of football every team is going to have a glaring weakness outside of Quarterback. It isnt hard, score more point than the other team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 I'm happy to see that Steven Nelson has deleted his Twitter. The primary reason why I didn't want him is his loud mouth on Twitter. He is the epitome of a complainer. Great player, but really, really doesn't seem like a "process" guy. If the Bills do a deal with him, I'd like to see it 1-2 years, maximum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: The best way to win a championship is to have the best Quarterback. If Allen gets to the point where he is better than Mahomes, the Bills will win a championship. In this era of football every team is going to have a glaring weakness outside of Quarterback. It isnt hard, score more point than the other team. Assuming Allen and Mahomes are equal, (and that's optimistic on our part) don't you see the virtue in surrounding our guy with a comparable supporting cast. Look at Tampa's model. Brady's the GOAT and they have the best receivers, defense and TEs in football. That shows how teams that want to win championships operate. It's not being satisfied that we have a great young QB that needed everything to break just right to get to play KC. The way we lost had to show Beane and Sean that we are a few key players short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 58 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: Please don't compare NE to anything in your lifetime. They had the best talent evaluators and coaching in history. Don't count on ascending careers from our young guys when you're looking at Mahomes, Kelce, Hill and an O-line that dominated us 2 times last season. We have the core players to be a playoff team but don't delude yourself, there are glaring weaknesses that must be addressed if we want to win it all. Josh will get his deal soon and there will be less cap to play with. We have space created by Beane's maneuvers. A few key additions while our window is now will be key. Our window is far more than “now”, Beane & Co, are setting up this franchise to have an extended window of a decade or more, your thinking is far to short sighted, The FO is not interested in a two year window and then in effect, sucking for years afterwards, it’s just not part of their DNA, you may as well get used to this way of thinking about the team, because that’s what has been, and will continue to be happening at OBD. Just is, wether you or I like it or not. Go Bills!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Our window is far more than “now”, Beane & Co, are setting up this franchise to have an extended window of a decade or more, your thinking is far to short sighted, The FO is not interested in a two year window and then in effect, sucking for years afterwards, it’s just not part of their DNA, you may as well get used to this way of thinking about the team, because that’s what has been, and will continue to be happening at OBD. Just is, wether you or I like it or not. Go Bills!!! Don't be satisfied with making the playoffs. No championships for 50 big ones. I promised my kids when I put them in this meat grinder known as Bills Fandom that we'd see a championship in our lifetime and now is the time. We have the infrastructure,it's just putting the last pieces together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: Don't be satisfied with making the playoffs. No championships for 50 big ones. I promised my kids when I put them in this meat grinder known as Bills Fandom that we'd see a championship in our lifetime and now is the time. We have the infrastructure,it's just putting the last pieces together. Lesson here is don't promise things to your kids you can't deliver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Just now, Eastport bills said: Don't be satisfied with making the playoffs. No championships for 50 big ones. I promised my kids when I put them in this meat grinder known as Bills Fandom that we'd see a championship in our lifetime and now is the time. We have the infrastructure,it's just putting the last pieces together. Perspective merely needs to be adjusted, you can as well rest assured that they are simultaneously trying to win it all, every year… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 6 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: Lesson here is don't promise things to your kids you can't deliver. Too late, but thanks. 6 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Perspective merely needs to be adjusted, you can as well rest assured that they are simultaneously trying to win it all, every year… Listen, 9 million unspent cap money. Tic tok 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: Too late, but thanks. Listen, 9 million unspent cap money. Tic tok Beane knows which end is up, and has been involved in acquiring Nelson for some time now, it is Nelson where the problem lies, it is not Beane who has not shown interest, that and consider this, is Nelson the player who puts us over the top? Answer = Not likely. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Lotta Steven Nelson chatter. Seems like he either ends up back with the Steelers or the Eagles will sign him. But they would need cap space. Cap casualty. Zach Ertz. And around and around we keep going... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 23 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said: Lotta Steven Nelson chatter. Seems like he either ends up back with the Steelers or the Eagles will sign him. But they would need cap space. Cap casualty. Zach Ertz. And around and around we keep going... Wait....so you're saying the latest Steven Nelson rumors suggest his signing creates a path to us getting Zach Ertz? Sounds like we need a new Zach Ertz thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Well, sounds like Ertz is off the table now (according to some incredibly reliable rumor threads that have been closed) 😜 so it's ALL IN on Nelson or Short now!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: He would give the team some depth where they lack it and a better option opposite White than Wallace, so yea, he could be the player that helps bring this team a SB. “Could be”, not very likely though, there are some who have said that he is barely any better than Wallace, hell Dane Jackson could be the guy, that’s why none of us run pro football teams. He at best appears to be “slightly “ better than Wallace, and to expensive for that small margin, so he sits unemployed… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Nelson shut down his twitter... hopefully one of our WRs does the same 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 I hope he can shut down wideouts like he did his Twitter account! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 5 hours ago, ScottLaw said: He would give the team some depth where they lack it and a better option opposite White than Wallace, so yea, he could be the player that helps bring this team a SB. I remember you saying the Bills lack elite talent after DIggs, Allen and White and that's why they couldn't get over the KC hump. So now you are suggesting Nelson could be the piece that puts them over the top? Funny stuff right there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Just saw Beane at Tempo sitting in a booth with Kaawan Short and Nelson. Heard it was a booth for 4 and Ertz was running late. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 4 hours ago, nedboy7 said: I remember you saying the Bills lack elite talent after DIggs, Allen and White and that's why they couldn't get over the KC hump. So now you are suggesting Nelson could be the piece that puts them over the top? Funny stuff right there. Funny as it may be, he's better than anything we have currently at CB2. Hope I'm not upsetting the Levi Wallace fan boys. 😠 He may not be considered elite but he'd be a solid acquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, nedboy7 said: I remember you saying the Bills lack elite talent after DIggs, Allen and White and that's why they couldn't get over the KC hump. So now you are suggesting Nelson could be the piece that puts them over the top? Funny stuff right there. That doesn’t mean the ONLY way to get over the top is by adding elite talent. It could be one of a handful of ways we can improve enough to become the best team in football. Adding Nelson could certainly be a nice addition and help us win the super bowl. We’re close as it stands. Nelson can play man. Levi blows in man and needs too much help. It’s been noted that we play a LOT of man on 3rd down. 3rd downs win football games. If Dane Jackson doesn’t turn into a solid man defender our CB unit is very limited in the play calling. The chiefs embarrassed this very CB group last year. They embarrassed our coaching staff too. I don’t think it’s ideal to return the same unit plus Wildgoose with hopes that we can suddenly stop the chiefs. adding a solid corner that is more efficient in man should’ve been on our offseason “to do list” Edited July 22, 2021 by NewEra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: That doesn’t mean the ONLY way to get over the top is by adding elite talent. It could be one of a handful of ways we can improve enough to become the best team in football. Adding Nelson could certainly be a nice addition and help us win the super bowl. We’re close as it stands. Nelson can play man. Levi blows in man and needs too much help. It’s been noted that we play a LOT of man on 3rd down. 3rd downs win football games. If Dane Jackson doesn’t turn into a solid man defender our CB unit is very limited in the play calling. The chiefs embarrassed this very CB group last year. They embarrassed our coaching staff too. I don’t think it’s ideal to return the same unit plus Wildgoose with hopes that we can suddenly stop the chiefs. adding a solid corner that is more efficient in man should’ve been on our offseason “to do list” The Bills seem to have taken the Milwaukee Bucks approach.........bring everyone back and hope that the teams that have seemingly significant matchup advantages suffer losses and that they themselves do not. I'm not sure Nelson moves the needle significantly........he ain't hanging with Tyreek Hill if it comes down to that. They really weren't positioned well to make a big leap personnel-wise. That's not an excuse....... they were cap strapped because McBeane made some suspect financial decisions in recent offseasons that left them exposed at this key point in their development......but it's a reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 9 hours ago, Don Otreply said: “Could be”, not very likely though, there are some who have said that he is barely any better than Wallace, hell Dane Jackson could be the guy, that’s why none of us run pro football teams. He at best appears to be “slightly “ better than Wallace, and to expensive for that small margin, so he sits unemployed… The season before last in Pitt. he graded out as the 6th best cb in the league. His defensive stats were elite. White and Gilmore were top 2 that year. cmp% qbrtg yds/trgt tds Nelson 50 65.8 6.6 0 Tre White 50 43.3 6.6 0 similar number of targets The year before that his numbers were elite again for KC, as good as White's were. Last season his numbers were more average. qbrtg was 95, (Tre's went up to 80). If he has a year even close to his 2018 and 2019 seasons he could be a huge difference maker for the Bills, especially if there are injuries. If he is average like last year he still improves the overall talent and depth. The Bills are thin at the pos group and that could become a problem. CB is not a position to be thin when you have all the ingredients in place for a championship. This year is the Bills best shot at a title since the SB run. I'll be psyched if they sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 5 hours ago, Turk71 said: The season before last in Pitt. he graded out as the 6th best cb in the league. His defensive stats were elite. White and Gilmore were top 2 that year. cmp% qbrtg yds/trgt tds Nelson 50 65.8 6.6 0 Tre White 50 43.3 6.6 0 similar number of targets The year before that his numbers were elite again for KC, as good as White's were. Last season his numbers were more average. qbrtg was 95, (Tre's went up to 80). If he has a year even close to his 2018 and 2019 seasons he could be a huge difference maker for the Bills, especially if there are injuries. If he is average like last year he still improves the overall talent and depth. The Bills are thin at the pos group and that could become a problem. CB is not a position to be thin when you have all the ingredients in place for a championship. This year is the Bills best shot at a title since the SB run. I'll be psyched if they sign him. I here ya, but, This year is but a long string of real opportunities to win the SB, it’s not this year or never… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Much ado about nothing. There's a reason this guy is still unsigned just days before TCs open. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Doc said: Much ado about nothing. There's a reason this guy is still unsigned just days before TCs open. There is one reason in my opinion: $ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yea. They essentially did nothing to upgrade CB 2 opposite Tre…. Everyone’s high on Dane Jackson but the sample size is ridiculously low. Interested to see what the Bills do differently defensively when they play the Chiefs again. I’m more worried about CB/DB depth. No room for an injury to one of our top 3 CBs or top 2 safeties. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 41 minutes ago, Weatherman said: There is one reason in my opinion: $ Yeah. He wants way too much for how good he really is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 9 hours ago, NewEra said: That doesn’t mean the ONLY way to get over the top is by adding elite talent. It could be one of a handful of ways we can improve enough to become the best team in football. Adding Nelson could certainly be a nice addition and help us win the super bowl. We’re close as it stands. Nelson can play man. Levi blows in man and needs too much help. It’s been noted that we play a LOT of man on 3rd down. 3rd downs win football games. If Dane Jackson doesn’t turn into a solid man defender our CB unit is very limited in the play calling. The chiefs embarrassed this very CB group last year. They embarrassed our coaching staff too. I don’t think it’s ideal to return the same unit plus Wildgoose with hopes that we can suddenly stop the chiefs. adding a solid corner that is more efficient in man should’ve been on our offseason “to do list” I don’t necessarily disagree but maybe a different game plan on defense could bring more success then just adding another piece to the CB room , we were playing scared and that was obvious maybe we need to attack Mahomes blitz him or what ever it takes to make him feel uncomfortable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 Pass rush will help the CB room 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Putin said: I don’t necessarily disagree but maybe a different game plan on defense could bring more success then just adding another piece to the CB room , we were playing scared and that was obvious maybe we need to attack Mahomes blitz him or what ever it takes to make him feel uncomfortable... We blitzed him in the 2nd half and it was way even uglier. The scheme was definitely a major problem in that game, but imo, part of the reason we called that game was because Levi is limited. I could be completely off base, but I just don’t see Levi ever being effective in man and we run a good amount of man on the most important down. 3rd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: We blitzed him in the 2nd half and it was way even uglier. The scheme was definitely a major problem in that game, but imo, part of the reason we called that game was because Levi is limited. I could be completely off base, but I just don’t see Levi ever being effective in man and we run a good amount of man on the most important down. 3rd. You maybe right , and I was hoping we get a CB in the 1st or 2nd round in this year’s draft, and to be honest I was a little disappointed that we didn’t , Maybe / Hopefully with a better pass rush this year our backfield won’t look as bad as they did last year in AFC championship game , 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: The Bills seem to have taken the Milwaukee Bucks approach.........bring everyone back and hope that the teams that have seemingly significant matchup advantages suffer losses and that they themselves do not. I'm not sure Nelson moves the needle significantly........he ain't hanging with Tyreek Hill if it comes down to that. They really weren't positioned well to make a big leap personnel-wise. That's not an excuse....... they were cap strapped because McBeane made some suspect financial decisions in recent offseasons that left them exposed at this key point in their development......but it's a reason. Don't forget the decrease in the cap. Nobody could have foreseen that. If the cap would have increased instead, like it normally does, the Bills would have been in a good position to add a couple key contributors. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 33 minutes ago, NewEra said: We blitzed him in the 2nd half and it was way even uglier. The scheme was definitely a major problem in that game, but imo, part of the reason we called that game was because Levi is limited. I could be completely off base, but I just don’t see Levi ever being effective in man and we run a good amount of man on the most important down. 3rd. DEs got swamped in that game as well, which was not helpful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 hour ago, MJS said: Don't forget the decrease in the cap. Nobody could have foreseen that. If the cap would have increased instead, like it normally does, the Bills would have been in a good position to add a couple key contributors. The cap decrease was the same for all teams. The market adjusted for that and some relatively dynamic players went for deals that reflected that. The tight cap actually made it MUCH easier for Buffalo to retain players like Milano and Williams on long term deals that would have been well below market in a wide open $210M+ cap environment. Their approach was more about retention. Other teams did it differently. Tennessee robbed Peter to pay Paul..........they let a young star WR and TE depart.........and replaced them with an dynamic but injury recovering pass rusher and great veteran WR. Their approach was more "we know what we have isn't good enough". I think TN is probably a year too late for their window..........but their approach was obviously different than what the Bills did. We shall see if it works. From the Bills perspective..........the Chiefs have been to 3 straight AFCCG's and 2 straight SB's...........playing that late into the season year after year takes a toll on the physical health of most teams..........maybe it works out that the Bills catch a Milwaukee-Bucks-like break and teams like KC and Tampa break down due to age/injury and the Bills get a good draw in the playoffs and end up playing the 6th seed at home in the AFCCG or something like that and they reach their SB and win it that way. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 16 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: The Bills seem to have taken the Milwaukee Bucks approach.........bring everyone back and hope that the teams that have seemingly significant matchup advantages suffer losses and that they themselves do not. I'm not sure Nelson moves the needle significantly........he ain't hanging with Tyreek Hill if it comes down to that. They really weren't positioned well to make a big leap personnel-wise. That's not an excuse....... they were cap strapped because McBeane made some suspect financial decisions in recent offseasons that left them exposed at this key point in their development......but it's a reason. This is a silly, silly take. The Bucks did not do this. The Bills made moves aplenty and drafted 2 pass rushers. When you get within 1 game of the championship you dont reinvent the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: This is a silly, silly take. The Bucks did not do this. The Bills made moves aplenty and drafted 2 pass rushers. When you get within 1 game of the championship you dont reinvent the team. The only high profile player the Bills brought in was 34 year old Emmanuel Sanders (to replace a guy they cut who had put up 1,000+ yards in 2019). I like some of the other, cheaper "flyers" they took in free agency...........but they weren't aggressive in acquiring dynamic new talent and they drafted at the back end of each round. Everybody drafts, guy. You could argue that the Bucks were more aggressive in their approach............they swapped out two *good* guards and some first round picks for a *better* guard in Jru Holiday..........but he didn't play up to the level he had at NOLA.......and that didn't tip the scales for them this season. Injuries in BOTH conferences........A TON of them........really cleared their path to victory. The 2021 Bucks might have been the dumbest NBA team to ever win a title LOL. But the playoffs laid out beautifully for them and they ended up knocking off a 5th seed in the conference finals and played a first time playoff team in the league finals. It came together perfectly for them. If the Bills win a SB in a "down" season for the NFL.........it still counts. Ben Roethlisberger won his first SB in a poorly played game against a less than epic opponent. Peyton Manning got his first against Rex Grossman. It can happen. Hopefully the Bills have a bunch of breakout players this season and can change the narrative that they haven't improved the roster but on paper they have done little to nothing to bridge the gap with KC. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 9 hours ago, BarleyNY said: I’m more worried about CB/DB depth. No room for an injury to one of our top 3 CBs or top 2 safeties. I hear ya, but injuries to the top two or three guys at any position is bad news, not just for the Bills, but any team, and in any sport, just sayin, Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 You also have to consider that Beane knew that cap would expand next few years, and that while running it back isn't optimal, may have been better than reaching for bad contracts under tight circumstances. Running it back means you have a lot more flexibility going forwasrd. The Bills' window is more like 5 years, rather than 2 years, and I'm guessing that's what Beane is planning for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 On 7/21/2021 at 12:13 PM, Don Otreply said: Beane knows which end is up, and has been involved in acquiring Nelson for some time now, it is Nelson where the problem lies, it is not Beane who has not shown interest, that and consider this, is Nelson the player who puts us over the top? Answer = Not likely. Go Bills!!! Until Beane brings in a quality upgrade in the 3 areas of weakness, his offseason is OK, nothing more. DB, TE, D tackle is pedestrian. No one cares who the problem is.Beane is competent and he's got capspace. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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