Reed83HOF Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Brennan Huff said: Ok I’m changing my vote. This has probably been posted but I’m too lazy to go through and look.... I think he wants to be in Buffalo- I hope his play is up to snuff I want him to make it now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 8 hours ago, HappyDays said: Melifonwu is the latest local college player to get pushed up draft boards by Bills fans who know the school. Crazy enough some fans even wanted him in the 1st round. All because he plays for Syracuse and became a trendy name around here. Simplistic response. I wanted him not because he played at Cuse but because he'd be a day 1 starter at a position of need and not a project. We need a CB 2 and not a collection of UFDAs, washed up vets or hopeful 7th round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: More likely that they weren’t happy with the corners available at 61 and 93. Along those lines I was reading the write up about the CBs available and most of the top guys were man to man specialists. CBs must for your system more than most positions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Simplistic response. I wanted him not because he played at Cuse but because he'd be a day 1 starter at a position of need and not a project. We need a CB 2 and not a collection of UFDAs, washed up vets or hopeful 7th round picks. He is NOT a day one starter. His instincts are terrible. You don’t go need-shopping in the draft, that’s how you end up with Torrell Troupe over Gronk. You’ve been here a long time, I’m shocked you still haven’t absorbed this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Simplistic response. I wanted him not because he played at Cuse but because he'd be a day 1 starter at a position of need and not a project. We need a CB 2 and not a collection of UFDAs, washed up vets or hopeful 7th round picks. I guess that Beane disagrees with you regarding Melifonwu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 9 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Haha I know what you're saying. But 3rd round pick as depth is a little disappointing for me. I want a 3rd round pick to come in and compete for a starting job he will. swing tackle is almost like slot corner. 0% chance both our starting tackles play 100% snaps in a 17 game season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 9 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said: Trenches, that’s the way to go Very hard for someone that tall to get low, this is one of three picks I would question but we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: The draft is not for patching holes. The “we needed a cornerback” folks don’t understand how this works. Taking the 12th best corner over a premium pass rusher or LT prospect because you need a corner is the kind of dumb decision-making that produced decades of futility. The CB cupboard is a bit bare. We will grab a FA. More pressure upfront with the front 4 will help the backend a lot, whether it helps Edmunds or not...😲 Edited May 1, 2021 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Simplistic response. I wanted him not because he played at Cuse but because he'd be a day 1 starter at a position of need and not a project. We need a CB 2 and not a collection of UFDAs, washed up vets or hopeful 7th round picks. No he wouldn’t be a day 1 starter. He’s not good, take off the Cuse blinders. The guy is 100% correct. Local fans wanted a local guy cause their familiar with . I’m an FSU fan, I am not touting up a single guy for them to take. Those guys just aren’t great. Not even Asante Samuel who I think is to slow and small to be successful in the NFL. I also don’t want them taking Nas at Safety or any of their overrated Dlineman that people love including Marvin Wilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I guess that Beane disagrees with you regarding Melifonwu. 11 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: He is NOT a day one starter. His instincts are terrible. You don’t go need-shopping in the draft, that’s how you end up with Torrell Troupe over Gronk. You’ve been here a long time, I’m shocked you still haven’t absorbed this. I've been here long enough to defer to Beane and not to you. Time to see Dane Jackson produce. Melifonwu will be a starting CB. Just now, gonzo1105 said: No he wouldn’t be a day 1 starter. He’s not good, take off the Cuse blinders. The guy is 100% correct. Local fans wanted a local guy cause their familiar with . I’m an FSU fan, I am not touting up a single guy for them to take. Those guys just aren’t great. Not even Asante Samuel who I think is to slow and small to be successful in the NFL. I also don’t want them taking Nas at Safety or any of their overrated Dlineman that people love including Marvin Wilson I respect your opinion but lose the "Cuse" crap. I could care less about that. We need a CB2, and J liked what Melifonwu brings. Time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Simplistic response. I wanted him not because he played at Cuse but because he'd be a day 1 starter at a position of need and not a project. We need a CB 2 and not a collection of UFDAs, washed up vets or hopeful 7th round picks. Day 1 starters at CB don't fall to the end of round 3 in a weak draft class. I'm going back to what I said months ago before I got caught up in the hype of drafting a CB in the 1st round - CB2 isn't all that important in McDermott's scheme. Wallace can hold it down just fine. As far as weaknesses on the Bills defense last year, I would look at Edmunds and several players on the d-line before I pointed the finger at Wallace. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Excellent value...great pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: I've been here long enough to defer to Beane and not to you. Time to see Dane Jackson produce. Melifonwu will be a starting CB. I respect your opinion but lose the "Cuse" crap. I could care less about that. We need a CB2, and J liked what Melifonwu brings. Time will tell. Melifonwu will likely be a backup for a couple of years at least and might ultimately get moved to safety so that the play stays in front of him - he has no idea what’s going on around him. Why would you take a project like that instead of a generational tackle prospect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It does seem to be Beane's consistent MO to go for high ceiling/athletic freak/boom or bust type guys. Pointed up in the Rousseau thread too. Draft for traits and willingness to join the Process, and trust the coaches to bring the player as he is now up to become the player he can be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 On the "we should have drafted a high DB" topic: Micah Hyde - 5th round Jordan Poyer - 7th round Taron Johnson - 4th round Levi Wallace - undrafted Dane Jackson - 7th round 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) Beane wasn’t lying when he said he’s thinking longterm. Two/Three draft picks so far need development to get on the field. He’s not getting much help for this season. Schwartz going to Cleveland hurt because that was your speed player. That’s a player that I wanted the Bills to take. With that said, I think the Bills need to expand Isaiah McKenzie’s role as a speed player because the WRs left are generally slower. Edited May 1, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) The game is won and lost in the trenches, when FOs and HCs start forgetting this, the path is then only to failure. As Marv Levy said, if you listen to the fans, you will be soon be sitting with them. I really like Beane & Co calling the shots. Edited May 1, 2021 by Don Otreply 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ralonzo Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 9 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: His RAS was incredible https://relativeathleticscores.com/ras-information/?PlayerID=19067 “There were no exact matches for this player's testing. There were no close matches for this player's testing.” that does sound like the Josh Allen of tackles, indeed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: The game is won and lost in the trenches, when FOs and HCs start forgetting this, the path is then only to failure. As Marv Levy said, if you listen to the fans, you will be soon be sitting with them. I really like Beane & Co calling the shots. I don’t know if that is true anymore, or not all the way true. The spread, throwing the ball, scoring points, more athletic QBs, speed, smaller defenders who rush the passer. I think a strong offense Iine is important, but a 340 pound NT seems to have less fit in today’s game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 I changed my vote to approve solely due to his comment how he had the chance to play for a Big 10 school when the FCS season was cancelled, and he wanted to stay loyal to the school that brought him in. Loyalty is huge. Instead, he goes and works out with a legend in Joe Staley. I'm loving this pick! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I don’t know if that is true anymore, or not all the way true. The spread, throwing the ball, scoring points, more athletic QBs, speed, smaller defenders who rush the passer. I think a strong offense Iine is important, but a 340 pound NT seems to have less fit in today’s game. If your lines can’t hold up, you cannot execute plays, on either offense or defense, period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, aristocrat said: This guy has become a true man of the people in record time. My god, how weird is it to see guys so happy to be drafted by the Bills? This kinda stuff goes beyond general excitement about being drafted. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, aristocrat said: I aspire one day to fill out a sweatshirt like that.... and to be 6’8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 33 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Melifonwu will likely be a backup for a couple of years at least and might ultimately get moved to safety so that the play stays in front of him - he has no idea what’s going on around him. Why would you take a project like that instead of a generational tackle prospect? We'll see. I expect Melifonwu will see the field for many more snaps in his first year than our pick. After 58 years of following this team I am far more concerned with hitting this rare SB window than I am about the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFreeman22 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 10 hours ago, glazeduck said: Really like the player, don’t really understand the position choice with a TE and a CB on the board, but ooookay I'm assuming it's called pick he best player on their board, unless you have a glaring need. And no, TE and CB aren't glaring needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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glazeduck Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, SteveFreeman22 said: I'm assuming it's called pick he best player on their board, unless you have a glaring need. And no, TE and CB aren't glaring needs. Man pass whatever the heck you’re smoking. They’re huge needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olliemets Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Draconator said: I changed my vote to approve solely due to his comment how he had the chance to play for a Big 10 school when the FCS season was cancelled, and he wanted to stay loyal to the school that brought him in. Loyalty is huge. Instead, he goes and works out with a legend in Joe Staley. I'm loving this pick! Character counts. I value loyalty. I picked up on this too. Like the size and potential...and the apparent character. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFreeman22 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 7 hours ago, just1hugheser said: I like this pick, i might have tried to wait another round but either way he was going soon imo. Great feet for a big man, still very raw/inexperienced but he has that Incognito nasty in him and with the right coaching he could really turn into a stud. And while he projects to the right side with his athleticism and feet if he puts in the work and wants the payday he could be a LT just as easily so to speak. The Bills could have a Orlando Brown/Ronnie Staley situation in 2-3 years, only I bet they handle it much much better. They couldn't wait another round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 He sounds an awful lot like a small school version of Kolton Miller. Very similar RAS numbers and size. Not sure you can do much better than that in terms of a developmental prospect. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmishRifle Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 I really enjoy the different perspectives offered by our TBD posters throughout the draft process. I think Beane has always been honest with us in his comments. When he became GM he emphasized the importance of building continued success through quality players in the trenches. If you pair this sentiment with our glaring weaknesses in the AFC Championship Game I think one could rationally understand our first three picks of the draft. I hear the arguments on small windows to win super bowls and other areas of need but I just really believe in the approach the FO is taking. Spencer Brown is a great pick in my opinion. Our draft might not be sexy but it will pay dividends for years to come. One other note on comments in regards to the game changing. The pendulum does swing back and forth on different styles of play. But, players who posses raw athletic talent that harnesses power, strength, and explosiveness are constantly improving in the size and speed categories year over year. That 300lb nose tackle can now run down people from behind. That 265lb defensive end can blow up your screen game. That 310lb offensive lineman can get out in space and crush your soul now. I like the pick! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: If your lines can’t hold up, you cannot execute plays, on either offense or defense, period. Right, that’s why I said the Offensive Line has become increasingly important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Right, that’s why I said the Offensive Line has become increasingly important. We evidently both think that the game is won and lost in the trenches then, I feel that that has always been the case, Edited May 1, 2021 by Don Otreply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: I aspire one day to fill out a sweatshirt like that.... and to be 6’8. So I still don't understand the video at all if you are 6' 8" the dame table is at your knee cap just fall forward why do you need a chair to jump off of. I feel sorry for the chair 315lbs ouch. When he stands on the chair the table is at his ankle. Bro you not getting any air time with your frame gravity likes the big ugliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) New game: Go through this thread and every time you read “this game is won and lost in the trenches” you have to drink Edited May 1, 2021 by Brennan Huff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: If your lines can’t hold up, you cannot execute plays, on either offense or defense, period. Well, I'm not so sure about that. I mean, the game's always evolving, so it's hard to say what will happen. But the pro game is following the college game, particularly when it comes to wide open, spread offensive play. What the college guys figured out is that with speed and quick decision making they can gain an advantage on the defense. And that style means that your offensive line doesn't have to pass protect for very long, and no matter how quick your defense is, if the QB is getting the ball out, you aren't going to get to him in time. That's why, for example, the Bills weren't afraid to take two edge guys. As Huck or someone said, the 340-pound nose tackle is a little less valuable than he used to be. On passing downs, and there are a lot more passing downs than there used to be, it makes some sense to envision Hughes, Oliver, Rousseau and Basham as the defensive line - four guys who all can play defensive end or 3-tech d tackle, because you want their speed and quickness. We're seeing safeties playing linebacker. It's as though coaches are trying to get as many skill position players on the field as possible, and that means the big uglies are becoming dinosaurs to some extent. It may be why the Bills were interested in Brown - he's an athlete. It's also why I think drafting offensive linemen in the first couple of rounds is sort of out of favor. Yeah, you need your left tackle and all that, but NFL offensive linemen have such long incubation periods that many of the good ones have played out their rookie contracts before they become good. That's why we see Beane scrounging the waiver wire and free agency for O linemen. Obviously, the o line is still important. All I'm saying is that it isn't so clear that all the old adages continue to be the absolute rules that they used to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Was totally for picking someone on O-line so can’t hate pick. However, part of me still wish it was Quinn Meinerz. https://www.instagram.com/p/COVU6KyrO5f/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 I like the pick for the future but still think they need a NT and can't see a good one lasting until the end of the 5th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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