YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Beane's press conference last night. The video is on the Bills website. I was surprised that he was that frank about it. He was trading out of the pick, and he sounded excited to be able to do it. But he would trade if Basham was there. Listening to the presser I feel like he sees basham as an immediate contributor in the rotation (he’s a 4 year high producer) whereas Rousseau is more of that project type who will play on obvious pass rushing situations this year and then ease him in more next year . I don’t see how Addison survives this draft. I think basham is his immediate replacement. Edited May 1, 2021 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: It’s almost the only thing that makes sense, almost like what he suggested in picking Fromm last year, just couldn’t pass it up. Is it possible they Rousseau plays one end and basham plays the other? Hughes and Addison are a combined 67 years old. Basham's ceiling is Cam Jordan, and Rousseau's is Jason Taylor. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 8 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Remember that this guy is in the 270s... Greg Cosell speaking with Chris Brown tonight after our pick said scouts believed if he bulks up to 280+ believe he could swing inside... Personally, I'm thinking of the Epenesa body transformation last offseason ... Could Boogie be a long-term DT inside? Don't think so... I do think they are going to be much more flexible about who is inside and who is outside, especially on obvious passing downs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Listening to the presser I feel like he sees basham as an immediate contributor in the rotation (he’s a 4 year high producer) whereas Rousseau is more of that project type who will play on obvious pass rushing situations this year and then ease him in more next year . I don’t see how Addison survives this draft. I think basham is his immediate replacement. In the call with Groot Beane asked him, " you ever heard of Dan Morgan? You're going to get to know him. " I bet Beane trades Daryl Johnson by the end of camp for a 4th or 5th next year and we see Groot chasing down kick offs and punt returns. 11 minutes ago, Logic said: I said this last night and I'll just repeat it: Everyone says they love Beane, Beane is a wizard, big baller beane, and all that stuff.....until he doesn't draft the way they want him to draft. He TOLD us he drafts best player available. He TOLD us he drafts with the future in mind. He TOLD us he used free agency to fill "needs" so that he can just take BPA. And everyone cheered and said "yes! We love it! Beane is the man!". Then the draft started and he passed on players at "need" positions to take BPA and think about the future, and half of Bills Mafia got the pitchforks. You don't reach for need in the draft and skip better players at less "needed" positions in the process. You ESPECIALLY don't reach for need in the draft and skip better players when you already have a really good roster. And most bizarrely of all -- fixing the pass rush IS a huge need. Arguably the BIGGEST need! So anybody being upset that he addressed it aggressively in this draft is confusing to me. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. This was like an Ozzie Newsome draft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Logic said: I said this last night and I'll just repeat it: Everyone says they love Beane, Beane is a wizard, big baller beane, and all that stuff.....until he doesn't draft the way they want him to draft. He TOLD us he drafts best player available. He TOLD us he drafts with the future in mind. He TOLD us he used free agency to fill "needs" so that he can just take BPA. And everyone cheered and said "yes! We love it! Beane is the man!". Then the draft started and he passed on players at "need" positions to take BPA and think about the future, and half of Bills Mafia got the pitchforks. You don't reach for need in the draft and skip better players at less "needed" positions in the process. You ESPECIALLY don't reach for need in the draft and skip better players when you already have a really good roster. And most bizarrely of all -- fixing the pass rush IS a huge need. Arguably the BIGGEST need! So anybody being upset that he addressed it aggressively in this draft is confusing to me. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I've said this before. It's just a theory I have. The objective in building a football team is to have the best talent you can have. To make it truly objective, what I'd like to be able to do is put a numeric value on how good each player on the team is, add them up, and the team with the highest number has the best talent. Now, you can't do that, because rating talent is too subjective. I don't even know what RAS stands for, but I see a lot of people here referencing that measure. But you don't rate QBs primarily on RAS; they need a different scale. So as a practical matter, what I'd like to do is impossible, but that's what a GM would like to be able to. Beane essentially subscribes to that theory. He wants to fill his team with the best talent possible; he wants guys with the highest possible rating on my theoretical rating system, and he doesn't care if that means that he has three offensive tackles on his team who are all at the top of the scale. He's going BPA in the early rounds, because whoever they are and whatever position they play, there's no substitute for talent. He also understands that once he acquires talent, he can use the talent in multiple ways - either play it or trade it. Heck, even if he just loses it in free agency, he gets a compensatory pick. Beane knows that the more talent he puts on the roster, at whatever position, the more McDermott has to work with. You can be sure that Beane and McDermott talked yesterday, and Beane asked McDermott if he'd mind adding Basham to the roster. McDermott said something like, "are you kidding? Give me the best football players you can, and I'll figure out what to do with them." You're right, some fans go nuts when Beane does things like this. Last year it was Fromm. How could they possibly waste a pick on Fromm? Because, as far as Beane was concerned, he was by far the best player available. McBeane have the team set up the way they said they would set it up. They have talent everywhere, and they create competition. They didn't have to chase a corner back in the draft because whether the fans like it or not, Wallace is a solid #2, Jackson looks like good competition, and there still are more picks and free agents to acquire. They didn't need to chase an offensive lineman. They didn't need even to chase an edge, but when one fell to them they took him. They certainly didn't need to chase a second one, but when one fell to them, they took him. I'd love a one-tech guy, and McD would be happy if one showed up on his roster. However, McD will coach the players he has, and if it's going to be Star and Phillips and some undersized, talented guys, well, okay. Beane says it over and over. He fills hole in free agency, be builds talent in the draft. And you know what? I'm happy with his drafts every year, because when he's done he's always added a list of talented football players. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Listening to the presser I feel like he sees basham as an immediate contributor in the rotation (he’s a 4 year high producer) whereas Rousseau is more of that project type who will play on obvious pass rushing situations this year and then ease him in more next year . I don’t see how Addison survives this draft. I think basham is his immediate replacement. I agree about Basham; you can see in the film that he plays the game at a fundamentally high level. Rousseau is Edmunds on the defensive line; "kid, we're going to put you out there, and if you can learn to do all the things you need to learn, you're going to the Hall of Fame." Yes, Addison would look like he's at risk. And/or Daryl Johnson. The problem is that the Bills have to many edge players and not enough, or good enough, one-tech players. Star's at the end of his run, probably, and Phillips improved last season but isn't there. Is Butler part of that answer? And none of the edge players, plus Oliver, can hold up playing the one tech. Apparently, on passing downs, the Bills are thinking some of this talent will move inside and the one-tech boys will take a seat; is it possible to expand the number of plays where you can afford to sacrifice the bulk for small and quick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, Logic said: I said this last night and I'll just repeat it: Everyone says they love Beane, Beane is a wizard, big baller beane, and all that stuff.....until he doesn't draft the way they want him to draft. He TOLD us he drafts best player available. He TOLD us he drafts with the future in mind. He TOLD us he used free agency to fill "needs" so that he can just take BPA. And everyone cheered and said "yes! We love it! Beane is the man!". Then the draft started and he passed on players at "need" positions to take BPA and think about the future, and half of Bills Mafia got the pitchforks. You don't reach for need in the draft and skip better players at less "needed" positions in the process. You ESPECIALLY don't reach for need in the draft and skip better players when you already have a really good roster. And most bizarrely of all -- fixing the pass rush IS a huge need. Arguably the BIGGEST need! So anybody being upset that he addressed it aggressively in this draft is confusing to me. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I think that fans, I’ve noticed in this board in particular, get locked into certain players they like based on what they know about them, which is generally a fraction of what the team knows, and when they don’t get them they are disappointed. There are so many factors that go into these picks and it can lead to fans not having the whole picture and then feeling like things don’t make sense. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: One of my favorite gifs Well done! Addison is certainly gone, I still think Jerry may stick around for a year or 2 on a cheaper deal with a voidable cut year on the back side. I agree about Hughes, if he's still effective, I'm sure they'd prefer to keep him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think that fans, I’ve noticed in this board in particular, get locked into certain players they like based on what they know about them, which is generally a fraction of what the team knows, and when they don’t get them they are disappointed. There are so many factors that go into these picks and it can lead to fans not having the whole picture and then feeling like things don’t make sense. Yes, and they also lock into beliefs about certain players on the team, like Levi Wallace. For two years or more, the fan drumbeat is that the Bills have to replace Wallace. Well, McBeane keep bringing in players - is Richard Sherman next? - and Wallace is still out there. We don't hear McDermott screaming for help at corner. As I've said, for McBeane, it's about the sum total of the talent on the roster, not about any one position. You weaken the team if you take less than the best talent because you'd like to upgrade a position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I agree about Basham; you can see in the film that he plays the game at a fundamentally high level. Rousseau is Edmunds on the defensive line; "kid, we're going to put you out there, and if you can learn to do all the things you need to learn, you're going to the Hall of Fame." Yes, Addison would look like he's at risk. And/or Daryl Johnson. The problem is that the Bills have to many edge players and not enough, or good enough, one-tech players. Star's at the end of his run, probably, and Phillips improved last season but isn't there. Is Butler part of that answer? And none of the edge players, plus Oliver, can hold up playing the one tech. Apparently, on passing downs, the Bills are thinking some of this talent will move inside and the one-tech boys will take a seat; is it possible to expand the number of plays where you can afford to sacrifice the bulk for small and quick? We should be able to get a good 1 Tech today, if we want one. Shelvin, Slaton and Brown are all still available. If we’re going with position fluidity on the DL, I wouldn’t mind taking one of them and having two run stuffers on the roster - given the other tackles not potentially cut are Star/Oliver/Butler and then 5-6 Inside/Outside DE’s. On passing downs, we may legitimately start seeing 4 DE’s line up to rush the passer. Edited May 1, 2021 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 14 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Hate it... And can’t understand it... Imagine there's no veterans... (2022) It's easy if you try... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, SCBills said: We should be able to get a good 1 Tech today, if we want one. Shelvin, Slaton and Brown are all still available. If we’re going with position fluidity on the DL, I wouldn’t mind taking one of them and having two run stuffers on the roster - given the other tackles not potentially cut are Star/Oliver/Butler and then 5-6 Inside/Outside DE’s. On passing downs, we may legitimately start seeing 4 DE’s line up to rush the passer. Thanks for this. I really don't know the college talent, and if the Bills could get a 1 tech today, I'd be thrilled. It may be a guy who takes a year on the practice squad, if that's what it takes. There were times when the Bills just seemed to get overpowered, and there's no substitute for bulk. Star is one of those guys the fans love to hate, but his absence last season really hurt. 1 minute ago, cwater10 said: Imagine there's no veterans... (2022) It's easy if you try... Thanks, John. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 59 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Eventually. I think you may even see Rousseau/Boogie/Oliver/Hughes in obvious passing situations but long term I think you will see Boogie starting at that RDE spot. Rousseau is probably the starter at LDE week 1. Obviously Epenesa will be another rotational piece as well, but in the end I think Boogie will beat him out as the starter. Boogie is way more versatile and way more gifted. Just from watching film of Basham, he appears to be all over the place running down plays and he produces turnovers...which is a good thing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 14 hours ago, stevewin said: Ha - just got a txt from someone I know - their son-in law is a distant cousin of Basham And I once was on a plane with Macho Man You and Macho Man are NOT on the same plane. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: You and Macho Man are NOT on the same plane. That guy was always a trip! Never understood a word that he said! different plain alright! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Would like to see Basham drop 10-15 pounds to get even quicker off the edge (I don't think we need him inside with our current depth chart even though he has that versatility), he's explosive and has a great get off as it is. Also, I really like the fact that Rousseau, Basham, and Brown are all coming in together and will be competing/facing off against each other and making each other stronger. Just need to get a 1 Tech with upside on Day 3 and I'll feel really good about our defensive front. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 3 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I like this pick better than the Rousseau pick... I like the Rousseau pick better now that they added this Kid. Different types of beasts. Complimentary perhaps ? 3 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said: At first I was like WHAT?? Double Dip... But now I am thinking we have a hard time covering Kelce. Maybe instead of trying to cover him, try and force KC to keep him on the line to help block? Same with the bucs and possibly 2 TE sets from NE? Still think we need a DT1 somewhere in this draft... Now I am thinking, this could be quite a fun Dline to watch...🤗. Plus with the extra game this year, I wonder if our D just got worn down at the end of last season... Good post 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Motorin' said: Hughes and Addison are a combined 67 years old. Basham's ceiling is Cam Jordan, and Rousseau's is Jason Taylor. I was going to post that last night but fans want players they want especially shiny ones. I get that. These picks so far is "Beane making us eat our vegetables". 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I was going to post that last night but fans want players they want especially shiny ones. I get that. These picks so far is "Beane making us eat our vegetables". Absolutely! In today's game that will not take long. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 4 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Well, I called him (but I was off by 30 slots!): I'm not a big fan of Basham, but I've felt all along that round 2 was going to be the spot where it was going to be the hardest for the Bills to get value relative to what round 2 usually yields. No matter what mock draft site I used there were usually only 1-2 guys still there when I picked that I really thought would be good value..........and in the actual draft NONE of those guys were there. Basham is not real toolsy IMO, not at that size at least, but he plays hard and brings an edge, which I think is an underrated need for this defense. They miss the intensity of a Lorenzo Alexander and he seems like that kinda' personality. If he hits the Shaq-ometer ceiling of Melvin Ingram........it will obviously have been a great pick. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm sure he noticed. He also noticed our tight cap and the big dollars "similar" players were getting in FA. My eyes are opened now. Where has that salary been going the past 3 years? We know about the cap but this draft had a few athletic cost controlled linebackers 2 power rush dl. 1 or the other especially with the way this draft fell. I understand-ish Rousseau but to double down to me is a luxury. No cb2 no cover backs. I dont see the vision. The d line is the most Cash saturated unit in this team and without Jerry or a Jerry type player i dont know how this is an upgrade. Is Epenesa going to play edge setter and these other guys get after it? Are we going to get a successor to star. I have only liked Spencer Brown right now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 So far 2 games deep in his "all the snaps" videos and not really seeing much impact plays. Hopefully I can find some games where he looks like he can contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 1, 2021 Share Posted May 1, 2021 DL got exposed in late Feb. We couldn't lay a finger on Patty, with a 2 score league to start out. We're on the cusp of winning a Lombatdi. McDermott said multiple times post game in Arrowhead that we were physically outmatched in the trenches. He specifically said we need to get bigger there. Started with Eke in FA , get Star back at 1T and continued drafting physical specimens. I love it. We just added two physical, freaky athletes. They should both slowly get into that DL rotation as we teach them better technique but you can't teach size and strength 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
below Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 21 hours ago, Dickie said: He didn’t say this at all. "A lot of his sacks came from the interior" "We see him as an edge but in passing situations you'll see him rush from the inside" -Brandon Beane 4/29/21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: So far 2 games deep in his "all the snaps" videos and not really seeing much impact plays. Hopefully I can find some games where he looks like he can contribute. Please let us know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalojedwardo Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 dudes going to learn so much from jerry. similarities in style of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 https://buffalowdown.com/2021/05/01/buffalo-bills-trade-place-second-round-pick-stayed-carlos-basham-jr/#:~:text=Bills Draft-,Buffalo Bills had trade in place for second round,stayed with Carlos Basham Jr.&text=The biggest surprise of the,pick in the first round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 11 hours ago, below said: "A lot of his sacks came from the interior" "We see him as an edge but in passing situations you'll see him rush from the inside" -Brandon Beane 4/29/21 Yeah, but those are only direct quotes. What did he mean? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TPS Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 Basham seems like he can be what the Bills had in mind with Jefferson, someone they can plug in anywhere along the line in passing situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NC-billsfan! Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 On 4/30/2021 at 9:31 PM, Big C said: Uh, count me in the love it camp. The game is won in the trenches. We have athletes at LB and a solid secondary. If these picks hit we are gonna be the baddest team in the league. This^^^^^^ We have our franchise QB, we have our skill players. Now we need to shore up the trenches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 18 hours ago, Agent 91 said: We know about the cap but this draft had a few athletic cost controlled linebackers 2 power rush dl. 1 or the other especially with the way this draft fell. I understand-ish Rousseau but to double down to me is a luxury. No cb2 no cover backs. I dont see the vision. The d line is the most Cash saturated unit in this team and without Jerry or a Jerry type player i dont know how this is an upgrade. Is Epenesa going to play edge setter and these other guys get after it? Are we going to get a successor to star. I have only liked Spencer Brown right now Time to change your avatar to #15. Groot will be a beast under #goatsmith tutelage. Seems like a hard worker who’s ready to be taught by the greatest. Groot and Basham anchoring that defensive line is gonna be frightening to opposing QBs. How do you manufacture 15.5 sacks in a season as a part time starter? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coach Tuesday Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 I’m telling you between Boogie’s chop move and Rousseau’s arms and pocket feel, they could force 5-10 more fumbles this season which could win 1-3 more games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 13 hours ago, buffalojedwardo said: dudes going to learn so much from jerry. similarities in style of play. That would be even more wise by McBeane to bring in The Apprentice to Hughes #55 . Who mentors Rousseau ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 7 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: I do love thread theme song to play in the background as I read through. Well done Kid is going to become a beast if Bruce has anything to say about it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: I’m telling you between Boogie’s chop move and Rousseau’s arms and pocket feel, they could force 5-10 more fumbles this season which could win 1-3 more games. We only lost three last year in the regular season so winning three more would make us perfect there lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: We only lost three last year in the regular season so winning three more would make us perfect there lol It would make us 16-1 in 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 2, 2021 Share Posted May 2, 2021 37 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: It would make us 16-1 in 2021. Forgot about 17th game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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