Logic Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) If this is true (and Allbright is usually pretty sharp, so I bet it is), I wonder when would be the appropriate time to draft him. Even if he doesn’t contribute much in 2021, if he’s expected to make a full recovery, he could be a hell of a value pick on day two. I wonder who else will fall out of round one based on medical questions. I read yesterday that Azeez Ojulari might be in that category. Gonna be an interesting few days! Edited April 28, 2021 by Logic 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Willis McGahee didn't work out too well. Was it Shaq Lawson that had the shoulder? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Not a shock. Blow for the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I can’t draft a corner who has had back surgery from lifting weights. He’s off my board entirely. Too bad. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 By your third back surgery, no one "fully recovers". Stay away from this kid. 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: Willis McGahee didn't work out too well. Was it Shaq Lawson that had the shoulder? Is this a joke? McGahee played for 10 season, multiple 1000 yard seasons and multiple pro bowls. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 The appropriate time is never imo. Sorry, I know others will disagree. If the bills can’t examine him themselves which is indeed the case, I’m not wasting a pick. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 It's fine to think he'll drop a bit, but wrong to "take him off your board." He is easily the best corner in the draft, minus the injuries. An appropriate landing spot for him is 20-30. Gronk had similar back problems and back surgeries in college and he plays a position that takes more hits. Also, does it seem a little suspicious to anyone else that the day before the draft a journalist is "hearing from anonymous sources" that an elite player will need more surgeries and is broken forever - so definitely don't take him in the 1st? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rigotz said: It's fine to think he'll drop a bit, but wrong to "take him off your board." He is easily the best corner in the draft, minus the injuries. An appropriate landing spot for him is 20-30. Gronk had similar back problems and back surgeries in college and he plays a position that takes more hits. Also, does it seem a little suspicious to anyone else that the day before the draft a journalist is "hearing from anonymous sources" that an elite player will need more surgeries and is broken forever - so definitely don't take him in the 1st? To be fair, It’s been said that Farley would fall down draft boards for a while now. I read at least a week ago that teams suspect that he is being overly optimistic in stating that he’ll be ready for training camp. I believe it was Albert Breer’s MMQB column that pointed out that team doctors have different opinions of Farley’s recovery outlook than Farley’s camp does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 This is going to hurt us in a multitude of ways because Farley does not go earlier means that other corners we’re going to get drafted earlier 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, jletha said: Is this a joke? McGahee played for 10 season, multiple 1000 yard seasons and multiple pro bowls. I'm guessing the original comment was made because it was a stupid pick for the Bills, not necessarily a stupid pick in a vacuum. The Bills had all sorts of needs, didn't really need an RB and made what was in essence a luxury pick that a team coming off a Super Bowl victory might make. For example, Dallas Clark was available when McGahee was picked. Not a great blocker but he would have gone down as best TE in Bills' history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Logic said: To be fair, It’s been said that Farley would fall down draft boards for a while now. I read at least a week ago that teams suspect that he is being overly optimistic in stating that he’ll be ready for training camp. I believe it was Albert Breer’s MMQB column that pointed out that team doctors have different opinions of Farley’s recovery outlook than Farley’s camp does. Yes, he has been falling down the draft boards from a top 10 lock to top 20-30 due to injury. Now, the day before the draft, we're hearing anonymous reports that he has SERIOUS medical concerns and will drop to the second round? I think it's more likely that teams want him in the 20-range and are trying to drive his value down vs Albert Breer's anonymous sources being right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Maybe the Covid news is cover for him to not attend the draft if he is sliding down teams draft boards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 40 minutes ago, jletha said: Is this a joke? McGahee played for 10 season, multiple 1000 yard seasons and multiple pro bowls. Come on. If it didnt happen in the B-Lo, it probably didn’t happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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turftoe Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, MarkyMannn said: Willis McGahee didn't work out too well. Was it Shaq Lawson that had the shoulder? I live close to Clemson. The Bills totally missed the medical on Lawson. Everyone here on the local sports radio knew that he would need shoulder surgery but the Bills totally missed it. Sure enough, he needed surgery and his rookie season was a bust. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Beane and the Bills behind this and Etienne? Do they want someone to keep falling to them? I say it's possible 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: I'm guessing the original comment was made because it was a stupid pick for the Bills, not necessarily a stupid pick in a vacuum. The Bills had all sorts of needs, didn't really need an RB and made what was in essence a luxury pick that a team coming off a Super Bowl victory might make. For example, Dallas Clark was available when McGahee was picked. Not a great blocker but he would have gone down as best TE in Bills' history. Well this thread is about a player getting drafted after a major injury...so forgive me for assuming they were referencing McGahee's knee injury since they also mentioned another player we drafted that had injury history. But perhaps they meant something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 In my opinion he never was a shutdown corner and this makes him potentially undraftable if he will have to have many surgeries. He doesn't have game film for a year and in a covid world he is much too high a risk for the first 2-3 rounds 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 in win now mode, I wouldn’t draft him until the 5th. (4th if we had one). CB is decently deep, and we need a potential day 1 guy either as starter or rotation/backup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) Just read about Farley's symptoms and back surgery. He is going to need more thorough surgery to fix that. .....or an amazing pain management doc. Edited April 28, 2021 by I am the egg man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Did I just hear he has covid? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) The last time we tried to "steal" damaged goods in the draft was Shaq Lawson, before that was Willis McPunkee. Let's try not to repeat those mistakes. Edited April 28, 2021 by Freddie's Dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 The Pats propaganda machine at work here I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I've heard that teams don't have access to the same medical information on prospects as in previous years, and that's even more so for guys who opted out. This seems like more of an attempt to get him from fall out of the first round. That being said, guys coming off major injuries usually take a couple seasons to get right and then the value of the pick is essentially cut in half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Beane and the Bills behind this and Etienne? Do they want someone to keep falling to them? I say it's possible I think it's equally likely for Bills to be behind this as any other CB-needy team. It's also equally likely this is true. The "told ya" folks are out in full force today, but this report proves nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamkrgr Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I’d take a flyer in the 7th at the point. Could work out, likely will not. 3 back surgeries? I don’t know how many guys can come back from that. Poor kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Caleb was actually my pick but Multiple surgeries? You cannot give up a 1st rounder on a player with this issue in the 1st round no matter how good the potential. Now my concern is Assante Samuel Jr. doesnt even get to 30 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 hours ago, turftoe said: I live close to Clemson. The Bills totally missed the medical on Lawson. Everyone here on the local sports radio knew that he would need shoulder surgery but the Bills totally missed it. Sure enough, he needed surgery and his rookie season was a bust. That isn’t fully true. They knew he would eventually need surgery, they just hoped he could get through his rookie season before he had it in the offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: This is going to hurt us in a multitude of ways because Farley does not go earlier means that other corners we’re going to get drafted earlier This draft you can get a quality db into the third round no worries even if they decide to go elsewhere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Would still pick Farley at 30, he’s worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 For those of you saying we should "take a flier in the 7th round" and he's "not on your board" here's a team reportedly trying to trade up in the first round to get him. https://www.nbcsports.com/edge/football/nfl/player/63751/caleb-farley As I've been saying this entire thread, all of this BS about him having new injuries to his back the day before the draft is an indication that he is probably going to go HIGHER than we think, not lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Farley is an elite man coverage talent (top 10) when healthy. But a slight misfit for the Bills since he is a bit weak in zone coverage - which is what we need opposite Tre. So if he is healthy, several other teams would likely jump on him before the Bills do. That being said, if he is still there when pick 60 rolls around, all bets are off - since the value is just too much to pass on - even if he has to sit a year. I expect him to go before pick 40 fir sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Farley is an elite man coverage talent (top 10) when healthy. But a slight misfit for the Bills since he is a bit weak in zone coverage - which is what we need opposite Tre. So if he is healthy, several other teams would likely jump on him before the Bills do. That being said, if he is still there when pick 60 rolls around, all bets are off - since the value is just too much to pass on - even if he has to sit a year. I expect him to go before pick 40 fir sure. I think Farley could adapt to better zone play. He’s a freak athlete with great instincts. He knows about QB and WR route trees. He’s played both of those positions. He’s got speed for days similar to Newsome’s speed. I would be perfectly fine with either pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: The appropriate time is never imo. Sorry, I know others will disagree. If the bills can’t examine him themselves which is indeed the case, I’m not wasting a pick. I don't think they would come to a different conclusion--spine surgeons make their money by re-operating on patients. They know how this goes.... The guy still can't feel his big toe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: That isn’t fully true. They knew he would eventually need surgery, they just hoped he could get through his rookie season before he had it in the offseason. Whaley ("now, if something's going to happen, it's going to happen...") knew before they drafted him. He "unfortunately" and coincidentally "reinjured" the shoulder immediately after arrival. Surgery was quickly scheduled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 4 hours ago, jletha said: Is this a joke? McGahee played for 10 season, multiple 1000 yard seasons and multiple pro bowls. Mcgahee was no where near what the Bills thought he would be when they drafted him. He was a solid back....but he looked special before his injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 5 hours ago, jletha said: Is this a joke? McGahee played for 10 season, multiple 1000 yard seasons and multiple pro bowls. The player was much better than the person, at least as perceived by many Bills fans. Only a fool goes about trashing the city of the one team willing to take a chance on him after that horrendous injury. Buffalo is much more than Applebee’s and Dave & Busters. It’s not South Beach, but that’s not entirely a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: For those of you saying we should "take a flier in the 7th round" and he's "not on your board" here's a team reportedly trying to trade up in the first round to get him. https://www.nbcsports.com/edge/football/nfl/player/63751/caleb-farley As I've been saying this entire thread, all of this BS about him having new injuries to his back the day before the draft is an indication that he is probably going to go HIGHER than we think, not lower. Are you serious that you think the Bills or another team are putting out bogus medical info on this kid? You're just kidding right? 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: I think Farley could adapt to better zone play. He’s a freak athlete with great instincts. He knows about QB and WR route trees. He’s played both of those positions. He’s got speed for days similar to Newsome’s speed. I would be perfectly fine with either pick. When was the last day you or anyone saw that speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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