Multiple teams think Caleb Farley will need more surgery, he’s likely to fall out of 1st round, per Benjamin Allbright

[Logic]

If this is true (and Allbright is usually pretty sharp, so I bet it is), I wonder when would be the appropriate time to draft him. Even if he doesn’t contribute much in 2021, if he’s expected to make a full recovery, he could be a hell of a value pick on day two.

 

I wonder who else will fall out of round one based on medical questions. I read yesterday that Azeez Ojulari might be in that category.

 

Gonna be an interesting few days!

Edited April 28, 2021 by Logic

[MarkyMannn]

Willis McGahee didn't work out too well.  Was it Shaq Lawson that had the shoulder?

[GunnerBill]

Not a shock. Blow for the player.

[Coach Tuesday]

I can’t draft a corner who has had back surgery from lifting weights.  He’s off my board entirely.  Too bad.

[Mr. WEO]

By your third back surgery, no one "fully recovers".  Stay away from this kid.

[Brennan Huff]

[jletha]

17 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said:

Willis McGahee didn't work out too well.  Was it Shaq Lawson that had the shoulder?

Is this a joke? McGahee played for 10 season, multiple 1000 yard seasons and multiple pro bowls.

[YoloinOhio]

The appropriate time is never imo. Sorry, I know others will disagree. If the bills can’t examine him themselves which is indeed the case, I’m not wasting a pick. 

[Rigotz]

It's fine to think he'll drop a bit, but wrong to "take him off your board."

He is easily the best corner in the draft, minus the injuries. An appropriate landing spot for him is 20-30.

 

Gronk had similar back problems and back surgeries in college and he plays a position that takes more hits.

 

Also, does it seem a little suspicious to anyone else that the day before the draft a journalist is "hearing from anonymous sources" that an elite player will need more surgeries and is broken forever - so definitely don't take him in the 1st?

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

It's fine to think he'll drop a bit, but wrong to "take him off your board."

He is easily the best corner in the draft, minus the injuries. An appropriate landing spot for him is 20-30.

 

Gronk had similar back problems and back surgeries in college and he plays a position that takes more hits.

 

Also, does it seem a little suspicious to anyone else that the day before the draft a journalist is "hearing from anonymous sources" that an elite player will need more surgeries and is broken forever - so definitely don't take him in the 1st?

To be fair, It’s been said that Farley would fall down draft boards for a while now.

 

I read at least a week ago that teams suspect that he is being overly optimistic in stating that he’ll be ready for training camp. I believe it was Albert Breer’s MMQB column that pointed out that team doctors have different opinions of Farley’s recovery outlook than Farley’s camp does.

[John from Riverside]

This is going to hurt us in a multitude of ways because Farley does not go earlier means that other corners we’re going to get drafted earlier

[st pete gogolak]

30 minutes ago, jletha said:

Is this a joke? McGahee played for 10 season, multiple 1000 yard seasons and multiple pro bowls.

I'm guessing the original comment was made because it was a stupid pick for the Bills, not necessarily a stupid pick in a vacuum.  The Bills had all sorts of needs, didn't really need an RB and made what was in essence a luxury pick that a team coming off a Super Bowl victory might make.  For example, Dallas Clark was available when McGahee was picked.  Not a great blocker but he would have gone down as best TE in Bills' history.

[Rigotz]

15 minutes ago, Logic said:

To be fair, It’s been said that Farley would fall down draft boards for a while now.

 

I read at least a week ago that teams suspect that he is being overly optimistic in stating that he’ll be ready for training camp. I believe it was Albert Breer’s MMQB column that pointed out that team doctors have different opinions of Farley’s recovery outlook than Farley’s camp does.

 

Yes, he has been falling down the draft boards from a top 10 lock to top 20-30 due to injury.

Now, the day before the draft, we're hearing anonymous reports that he has SERIOUS medical concerns and will drop to the second round?

 

I think it's more likely that teams want him in the 20-range and are trying to drive his value down vs Albert Breer's anonymous sources being right.

[BuffaloRebound]

Maybe the Covid news is cover for him to not attend the draft if he is sliding down teams draft boards.  

[stinky finger]

40 minutes ago, jletha said:

Is this a joke? McGahee played for 10 season, multiple 1000 yard seasons and multiple pro bowls.

 

Come on. 

 

If it didnt happen in the B-Lo, it probably didn’t happen. 

[Logic]

 

[turftoe]

1 hour ago, MarkyMannn said:

Willis McGahee didn't work out too well.  Was it Shaq Lawson that had the shoulder?

I live close to Clemson. The Bills totally missed the medical on Lawson. Everyone here on the local sports radio knew that he would need shoulder surgery but the Bills totally missed it. Sure enough, he needed surgery and his rookie season was a bust.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Beane and the Bills behind this and Etienne? Do they want someone to keep falling to them? I say it's possible

[jletha]

23 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:

I'm guessing the original comment was made because it was a stupid pick for the Bills, not necessarily a stupid pick in a vacuum.  The Bills had all sorts of needs, didn't really need an RB and made what was in essence a luxury pick that a team coming off a Super Bowl victory might make.  For example, Dallas Clark was available when McGahee was picked.  Not a great blocker but he would have gone down as best TE in Bills' history.

Well this thread is about a player getting drafted after a major injury...so forgive me for assuming they were referencing McGahee's knee injury since they also mentioned another player we drafted that had injury history. But perhaps they meant something else.

[Billzgobowlin]

In my opinion he never was a shutdown corner and this makes him potentially undraftable if he will have to have many surgeries.  He doesn't have game film for a year and in a covid world he is much too high a risk for the first 2-3 rounds

[RyanC883]

in win now mode, I wouldn’t draft him until the 5th.  (4th if we had one).  CB is decently deep, and we need a potential day 1 guy either as starter or rotation/backup.  

[US Egg]

Just read about Farley's symptoms and back surgery.

 

He is going to need more thorough surgery to fix that.

 

.....or an amazing pain management doc.

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by I am the egg man

[teef]

Did I just hear he has covid?

[Freddie's Dead]

The last time we tried to "steal" damaged goods in the draft was Shaq Lawson, before that was Willis McPunkee.  Let's try not to repeat those mistakes.

Edited April 28, 2021 by Freddie's Dead

[wppete]

The Pats propaganda machine at work here I suspect. 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

I've heard that teams don't have access to the same medical information on prospects as in previous years, and that's even more so for guys who opted out. This seems like more of an attempt to get him from fall out of the first round. That being said, guys coming off major injuries usually take a couple seasons to get right and then the value of the pick is essentially cut in half.

[Rigotz]

44 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Beane and the Bills behind this and Etienne? Do they want someone to keep falling to them? I say it's possible

 

I think it's equally likely for Bills to be behind this as any other CB-needy team. It's also equally likely this is true.

The "told ya" folks are out in full force today, but this report proves nothing.

[Iamkrgr]

I’d take a flyer in the 7th at the point. Could work out, likely will not. 3 back surgeries? I don’t know how many guys can come back from that. Poor kid.

[John from Riverside]

Caleb was actually my pick

 

but

 

Multiple surgeries?  You cannot give up a 1st rounder on a player with this issue in the 1st round no matter how good the potential.

 

Now my concern is Assante Samuel Jr. doesnt even get to 30

[OldTimer1960]

2 hours ago, turftoe said:

I live close to Clemson. The Bills totally missed the medical on Lawson. Everyone here on the local sports radio knew that he would need shoulder surgery but the Bills totally missed it. Sure enough, he needed surgery and his rookie season was a bust.

That isn’t fully true.  They knew he would eventually need surgery, they just hoped he could get through his rookie season before he had it in the offseason.

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

This is going to hurt us in a multitude of ways because Farley does not go earlier means that other corners we’re going to get drafted earlier

This draft you can get a quality db into the third round no worries even if they decide to go elsewhere 

[Milanos Milano]

Would still pick Farley at 30, he’s worth it. 

[Rigotz]

For those of you saying we should "take a flier in the 7th round" and he's "not on your board" here's a team reportedly trying to trade up in the first round to get him.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/edge/football/nfl/player/63751/caleb-farley

 

As I've been saying this entire thread, all of this BS about him having new injuries to his back the day before the draft is an indication that he is probably going to go HIGHER than we think, not lower.

[IgotBILLStopay]

Farley is an elite man coverage talent (top 10) when healthy. But a slight misfit for the Bills since he is a bit weak in zone coverage - which is what we need opposite Tre. So if he is healthy, several other teams would  likely jump on him before the Bills do.

 

That being said, if he is still there when pick 60 rolls around, all bets are off - since the value is just too much to pass on - even if he has to sit a year. I expect him to go before pick 40 fir sure.

[Milanos Milano]

6 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Farley is an elite man coverage talent (top 10) when healthy. But a slight misfit for the Bills since he is a bit weak in zone coverage - which is what we need opposite Tre. So if he is healthy, several other teams would  likely jump on him before the Bills do.

 

That being said, if he is still there when pick 60 rolls around, all bets are off - since the value is just too much to pass on - even if he has to sit a year. I expect him to go before pick 40 fir sure.

 

I think Farley could adapt to better zone play. He’s a freak athlete with great instincts. He knows about QB and WR route trees. He’s played both of those positions. He’s got speed for days similar to Newsome’s speed. I would be perfectly fine with either pick. 

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The appropriate time is never imo. Sorry, I know others will disagree. If the bills can’t examine him themselves which is indeed the case, I’m not wasting a pick. 

 

 

I don't think they would come to a different conclusion--spine surgeons make their money by re-operating on patients.  They know how this goes....

 

 

The guy still can't feel his big toe.  

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

That isn’t fully true.  They knew he would eventually need surgery, they just hoped he could get through his rookie season before he had it in the offseason.

 

 

 Whaley ("now, if something's going to happen, it's going to happen...") knew before they drafted him.  He "unfortunately" and coincidentally "reinjured" the shoulder immediately after arrival. Surgery was quickly scheduled.

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, jletha said:

Is this a joke? McGahee played for 10 season, multiple 1000 yard seasons and multiple pro bowls.

Mcgahee was no where near what the Bills thought he would be when they drafted him.  He was a solid back....but he looked special before his injury 

[Augie]

5 hours ago, jletha said:

Is this a joke? McGahee played for 10 season, multiple 1000 yard seasons and multiple pro bowls.

 

The player was much better than the person, at least as perceived by many Bills fans. Only a fool goes about trashing the city of the one team willing to take a chance on him after that horrendous injury. Buffalo is much more than Applebee’s and Dave & Busters. It’s not South Beach, but that’s not entirely a bad thing. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

For those of you saying we should "take a flier in the 7th round" and he's "not on your board" here's a team reportedly trying to trade up in the first round to get him.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/edge/football/nfl/player/63751/caleb-farley

 

As I've been saying this entire thread, all of this BS about him having new injuries to his back the day before the draft is an indication that he is probably going to go HIGHER than we think, not lower.

 

Are you serious that you think the Bills or another team are putting out bogus medical info on this kid?  You're just kidding right?

 

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

I think Farley could adapt to better zone play. He’s a freak athlete with great instincts. He knows about QB and WR route trees. He’s played both of those positions. He’s got speed for days similar to Newsome’s speed. I would be perfectly fine with either pick. 

 

When was the last day you or anyone saw that speed?