Fixxxer Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 I did not see this coming, I thought he was a goner. I'm happy as hell Beane managed to keep him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, Jerboski said: Some people what?? Just because some question if this amount money for this type of linebacker makes the most sense, my question is why aren’t you asking the same question did you not watch this defense for the majority of the season or in two games against the chiefs That post had nothing to do with you. Stop making this about you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: I get that. But OT at 30 seems like a value pick this year. I wouldn't mind young bookends locked up for several years. jmo O-line is not plug and play like it used to be 10-15 years ago. A lot of rookie O-line players at all 5 positions struggle at higher rates than they used to. O-line players can take 2-3 years to develop due to lack of run blocking in college and other factors transitioning from college to the pros. I think it is possible the Bills still go O-line with that pick, if D.Williams just gets a ludicrous offer or they still sign D.Williams but draft a Mongo replacement who can kick out 3 years from now. The Bills could and should still make a big offer to D.Williams, I wouldn't want to trust the second most important O-line position to a rookie even a first rounder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Time to buy that barge on Lake Erie!!!! Great news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 26 minutes ago, ngbills said: Happy to have him back but not so happy about $11M per. Will have to see how this breaks down in terms of yearly cap numbers. I think a pass rusher and TE are still more important than Milano. You could argue the OL is more important as well. His cap hit this year is 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 33 minutes ago, Jerboski said: If this costs you Williams at RT or one of the big pass rushers then I don’t understand this Milano is a nice player but he got torched against kC and doesn’t impact the game enough to cost us chances at Williams or an elite pass rushers Williams is replaceable , not good run blocker. Lots of edge guys going to be available, and even some good O lineman with cap purges just getting going. Get best you can of either thru one FA move , then use 30 on the other position or if an exceptional talent like etienne ever drops grab him and we can be set. Milano had more value to our scheme and this is good resigning. Watch all 22 film on Williams. Great at pass protect but at times he was horrible in the run scheme. He literally stood at times never hitting anyone and there was a reason we didn’t run that way much if he was supposedly so good; believe me it was surprising and while.I would be ok keeping him , I think if we found a guy like him last year, Beane can do it again given upcoming roster purgers because of cap casualties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 52 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: If Klein can be used on 3rd downs or passing downs as a pass rusher he fills a role otherwise he's wasting cap space on the bench. I remember the Seattle game.....Klein has his role....and its important. Not as dynamic as Milano when healthy, but, still a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, Jerboski said: Some people what?? Just because some question if this amount money for this type of linebacker makes the most sense, my question is why aren’t you asking the same question did you not watch this defense for the majority of the season or in two games against the chiefs Why don’t you visit your gastroenterologist about that long piece of lumber you’re dealing with, take a step back, and realize that you have no idea what you’re responding to. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: That post had nothing to do with you. Stop making this about you. It was a simple question he made a blanket statement about “people”... fair to ask him about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, Jerboski said: Some people what?? Just because some question if this amount money for this type of linebacker makes the most sense, my question is why aren’t you asking the same question did you not watch this defense for the majority of the season or in two games against the chiefs Couldn’t look at the screen shot on Spotrac and see that under “signing bonus” it said $6M for every season... when it was already reported that his signing bonus was $7M total spread over the life of the contract. That’s what I mean by some people... being able to critically think and recall information. The defense in the 2nd half of the season was a top 10 defense... yeah I didn’t just formulate my opinion on the first few weeks of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 55 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yes!!! Im pretty confident that Feliciano is a goner. More like Williams.....I think we are not looking at RT in the draft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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C.Biscuit97 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Very conflicted on this. Dude is an absolute baller and this is our super bowl window. But at the same time, he struggles to stay healthy, OLB is one of the “easier” positions to replace, and it will cost us someone at a position I think is more important (OT, pass rusher, or Te). can’t be mad keeping a good player and good for Matt. He is a legit playmaker. But if he left and they drafted someone like Zaven Collins and used the money elsewhere, could that be have been better? 😬 it will be interesting to see what they do next. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Will we pay two linebackers? I wonder if this means anything later down the road with Edmunds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, JGMcD2 said: Couldn’t look at the screen shot on Spotrac and see that under “signing bonus” it said $6M for every season... when it was already reported that his signing bonus was $7M total spread over the life of the contract. That’s what I mean by some people... being able to critically think and recall information. The defense in the 2nd half of the season was a top 10 defense... yeah I didn’t just formulate my opinion on the first few weeks of the season. Chiefs two games, how did the defense look? How did the defense look against the colts? 3 playoff games, they were pitiful in two of them but yes let’s pay Milano and keep it going 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 54 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: If Klein can be used on 3rd downs or passing downs as a pass rusher he fills a role otherwise he's wasting cap space on the bench. Klein costs us $6M this year, Milano $7M. That's still less than some thought Milano would command in the market, and we get TWO LBs who can start if one gets injured. I like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Very conflicted on this. Dude is an absolute baller and this is our super bowl window. But at the same time, he struggles to stay healthy, OLB is one of the “easier” positions to replace, and it will cost us someone at a position I think is more important (OT, pass rusher, or Te). can’t be mad keeping a good player and good for Matt. He is a legit playmaker. But if he left and they drafted someone like Zaven Collins and used the money elsewhere, could that be have been better? 😬 it will be interesting to see what they do next. They still have the pick to use elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Milano's cover skills make me believe he will contribute big plays via INT in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: His cap hit this year is 7 That is fantastic news since we know in 2023 the cap will be much higher so a smaller hit now was crucial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 52 minutes ago, Jerboski said: If this costs you Williams at RT or one of the big pass rushers then I don’t understand this Milano is a nice player but he got torched against kC and doesn’t impact the game enough to cost us chances at Williams or an elite pass rushers Likely Williams has decided he wishes to try free agency. I know from first hand source Milano has been working out in martial arts during offseason to increase his core strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Will we pay two linebackers? I wonder if this means anything later down the road with Edmunds. Bye Edmunds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 defacto 2 yr deal.....we could do worse. was sort of hoping he moved on....but this is not a bad deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Will we pay two linebackers? I wonder if this means anything later down the road with Edmunds. I'd still trigger the 5th year option on Edmunds. It's only $12M in 2022 when the cap will be higher. He has a lot to prove, imo, but I'm not ready to give up on the dude. He is the same age as Epenesa. I know it's cliche at this point, but I do want to see if he can take another step still. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: They still have the pick to use elsewhere. True. I just think an OLB is a lot easier position to transition to than a lot of other positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Well played, Mr. Beane. Well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 55 minutes ago, Jerboski said: Cost two OL for a guy who made no impact in the chiefs game keep the Ol together, you don’t pay linebackers like Milano who can’t rush the passer, marginal in run support You are entitled to your opinion.....but I will wait until the whole situation plays out Williams was the top RT in free agency.....and he might be getting stupid money offers....and this is a strong OT draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jerboski said: We will see.... we saw this defense get shredded numerous times this year and clearly had issues sacking the qb and stopping the run, all of this with Milano Holy crap dude now you're crusading with your revisionist's history! The Bills were 3-3 with Milano out of the lineup and gave up an average of 30 points and just under 400 yards per game. By contrast, with Milano in the lineup the Bills were 12-1 and gave up an average of 20 points and 330 yards per game. If you're trolling, go away. If you really believe the crap you're spewing, go watch the impact he has on the games and the effect he has on the game even away from the ball. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Stop it, I was first but my phone was jammed Accept your failure loser! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, The Governor said: Bye Edmunds. And that would be a mistake and hope that isn’t the case. Tre is a full four years younger and plays a much more difficult position. And I think he would be an absolute beast if we move him to OLB if they decided to move him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Those numbers look wrong. Magically a 44 mill contract is like a 56 mill from that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, transplantbillsfan said: Holy crap dude now you're crusading with your revisionist's history! The Bills were 3-3 with Milano out of the lineup and gave up an average of 30 points and just under 400 yards per game. By contrast, with Milano in the lineup the Bills were 12-1 and gave up an average of 20 points and 330 yards per game. If you're trolling, go away. If you really believe the crap you're spewing, go watch the impact he has on the games and the effect he has on the game even away from the ball. My crusade is pay pass rushers and OL, Milano isn’t closing the gap with the chiefs. We saw them in the playoffs, 2 out of 3 games the defense was shredded Pay elite pass rushers or corners, coverage linebackers at 11M a year not unless your last name is David 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: And that would be a mistake and hope that isn’t the case. Tre is a full four years younger and plays a much more difficult position. And I think he would be an absolute beast if we move him to OLB if they decided to move him. This... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: True. I just think an OLB is a lot easier position to transition to than a lot of other positions. I agree. But it's tough to predict. I thought they would go cheap at LB. Maybe they decided not to pick up Edmunds option. At some point someone was getting paid at LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: And that would be a mistake and hope that isn’t the case. Tre is a full four years younger and plays a much more difficult position. And I think he would be an absolute beast if we move him to OLB if they decided to move him. Yeah, I'm riding Edmunds out as long as I can to see what he can grow into. We'll see where he is at in 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: True. I just think an OLB is a lot easier position to transition to than a lot of other positions. im not sure if it is in McD’s defense. I would have preferred Williams at a good price vs. Milano at a good price, just cause of how important keeping josh safe is. That being said, this is a good price for Milano, and the 7-9m per that is an actual good price for Williams will likely be much lower than he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Jerboski said: If this costs you Williams at RT or one of the big pass rushers then I don’t understand this Milano is a nice player but he got torched against kC and doesn’t impact the game enough to cost us chances at Williams or an elite pass rushers He also shut down Mark Andrews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Okie Dokie. More cookies 🍪 to eat every time his name is called 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 34 minutes ago, Jerboski said: If it is closer to 6 to 7 this year okay but 11 for a year, Milano isn’t worth that in a tough cap where we are trying to compete for a bowl How do you know this....seriously......all evidence points the opposite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jerboski said: Chiefs two games, how did the defense look? How did the defense look against the colts? 3 playoff games, they were pitiful in two of them but yes let’s pay Milano and keep it going Against the Colts they were fine for the most part... I mean they held a top 10 offense to 24 points didn’t they? Folks still don’t want to acknowledge the Colts were probably the 3rd best team in the AFC and we matched up horribly with them. It was a below average performance. Then they went out and smacked around the reigning MVP for 3 quarters coming off of the biggest win of his career. Then they were seriously overmatched by KC. You solution is to not pay Milano, create a hole there and then what? Sign a DE or OL? You said either or... so then what do we do if we are-sign Williams... then we have no impact DE or Milano on defense and still can’t stop the Chiefs... anything else? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Kabooosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'd still trigger the 5th year option on Edmunds. It's only $12M in 2022 when the cap will be higher. He has a lot to prove, imo, but I'm not ready to give up on the dude. He is the same age as Epenesa. I know it's cliche at this point, but I do want to see if he can take another step still. I just wonder of that bigger bodies 1-Tech makes a difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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