MiltonWaddams Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: He played 8 of 16 games this past year. Pass..... You mean in 2019. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: He played 8 of 16 games this past year. Pass..... In our system he might be able to stay healthy I don’t think that your numbers are accurate though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: This right here is why you release Trent Murphy last year though. It would be so nice to have that extra $7 million in cap space. Beane should have foreseen this happening. I definitely question his managerial skills now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said: Wait he got released AND bought a house in Cleveland int he same day?? Man, that dude was busy yesterday! Or did he already own a house in Cleveland because what superstar athlete wouldn’t want to own a house in Cleveland?? he obviously was released and immediately purchased a house sight unseen in Cleveland, before even speaking to the browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said: Wait he got released AND bought a house in Cleveland int he same day?? Man, that dude was busy yesterday! Or did he already own a house in Cleveland because what superstar athlete wouldn’t want to own a house in Cleveland?? I hear “the Flats” area in Cleveland is lovely this time of year! 🤔 Edited February 13, 2021 by NoHuddleKelly12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Just now, Brennan Huff said: Beane should have foreseen this happening. I definitely question his managerial skills now... It was a terrible mistake. Probably his worst error as GM so far. Keeping Murphy as depth was a terrible decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It was a terrible mistake. Probably his worst error as GM so far. Keeping Murphy as depth was a terrible decision. I definitely thought he should have been a cap casualty as well. Too much money to pay a depth guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It was a terrible mistake. Probably his worst error as GM so far. Keeping Murphy as depth was a terrible decision. Not even close to his worst error..........because of the way they cleaned house of key young talent and traded up so much in drafts Beane had to invest a lot in free agency and trades to make up for the personnel they lopped off. There were tons of bad decisions. Trading for Corey Coleman and then cutting him 10 days later and eating $3.5M cap hit was worse than keeping Murphy as insurance and most don't even remember it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 If it's the JJ Watt from his first 5 seasons(75.5 sacks), I'm all for it. But his last 5 seasons he's netted 1.5, 0, 16, 4 & 5 sack seasons while missing the equivalent of 2 full seasons. His leadership and work in the community I'm sure would be stellar, but I'm betting he goes to Pitt to play with his brothers or someone over plays for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Not even close to his worst error..........because of the way they cleaned house of key young talent and traded up so much in drafts Beane had to invest a lot in free agency and trades to make up for the personnel they lopped off. There were tons of bad decisions. Trading for Corey Coleman and then cutting him 10 days later and eating $3.5M cap hit was worse than keeping Murphy as insurance and most don't even remember it. Last I checked $7 million is more than $3.5 million. They were also at very different stages of the rebuild. Murphy was not a key member of the roster. It is by far Beane's worst decision. Edit. It was actually over $8m the Bills would have saved. Edited February 13, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Last I checked $7 million is more than $3.5 million. They were also at very different stages of the rebuild. Murphy was not a key member of the roster. It is by far Beane's worst decision. Passing on Metcalf and AJ Brown to draft Cody Ford? Trading Wyatt Teller? Giving Star Lotulelei a $50M contract and then guaranteeing his salary last offseason to try to get back a little over $1M of his salary(which allowed him to take the year off with no financial loss and makes him an $11M immovable object on the payroll). The Eric Wood extension? Dumping Logan Thomas and then watching him become a top receiving TE(3rd in receptions 7th in yards)? There have been PLENTY. Fortunately you have to be constantly making bad decisions to not at least be competitive in the NFL. I like Beane and the growth mindset the organization has gives me hope that they will continue to improve in evaluating players but the list of bad decisions is not so small that a $7M cap hit for a part time player is the worst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 I slept on it. I really want this to happen. Star coming back, an early round draft pick, Watt, along w/ Oliver in his 3rd year - things could look a lot different for the Bills at the front of the defense with just a few moves. He's turning 32 in March. That's still 2-3 really good years, imo. I never really buy into "injury prone," either - it seems like bad luck a lot of the time (though there are exceptions). Would love to see the headline that we got him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Last I checked $7 million is more than $3.5 million. They were also at very different stages of the rebuild. Murphy was not a key member of the roster. It is by far Beane's worst decision. I see your Murphy and Coleman and raise you a Benjamin. Trading a 3rd+7th for a worthless WR that we later released and ate 8.5mm dead cap on is pretty darn bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Passing on Metcalf and AJ Brown to draft Cody Ford? Trading Wyatt Teller? Giving Star Lotulelei a $50M contract and then guaranteeing his salary last offseason to try to get back a little over $1M of his salary(which allowed him to take the year off with no financial loss and makes him an $11M immovable object on the payroll). The Eric Wood extension? Dumping Logan Thomas and then watching him become a top receiving TE(3rd in receptions 7th in yards)? There have been PLENTY. Fortunately you have to be constantly making bad decisions to not at least be competitive in the NFL. I like Beane and the growth mindset the organization has gives me hope that they will continue to improve in evaluating players but the list of bad decisions is not so small that a $7M cap hit for a part time player is the worst. You're listing some things Beane had no idea would happen. Pointless arguments. Different stages of Bills cap space. Multiple variables playing a role in the decision. Trent Murphy was replaced in free agency and the draft. They had no need for him. There were many other uses for that money. They knew what he was. I could make a similar argument for keeping Lee Smith, but won't. The nearly $9 million cap hit to keep Murphy far outweighs keeping Lee Smith. Edited February 13, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Fortunately you have to be constantly making bad decisions to not at least be competitive in the NFL. How do their bad decisions stack up with the decisions across the NFL? Do other organizations make mistakes like this? Seattle passed on Metcalf twice to take LJ Collier and Marquise Blair. The Eric Wood extension, he was supposed to see the future and know he was going to have a career ending injury? 2/16 where they got 1 year out of it before they found out about the severe neck injury isn’t a gross error. Cool. Logan Thomas had a lot of receptions and yards based on sheer volume on a 7-9 team sorely lacking receiving options in an offense with QBs who made Trent Edwards look like Elway when it came to pushing the ball down field. It’s like saying Scott Chandler or David Nelson were great because they were top options on bad teams. Not absolving them of their mistakes... but those are some interesting choices as well. I’ll sandwich my post with my initial question... how do their bad decisions stack up against the bad decisions of other teams? Edited February 13, 2021 by JGMcD2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, twist_to_open said: Watts very active in his community and with his charities. I would not be surprised to see Bills Mafia rally donations to one of his causes to put a little pressure on signing with the best fanbase in the NFL. He had a Twitter post indicating his foundation had been receiving $99 donations from multiple fanbases. We can assume based on history that many were from Buffalo. He thanked people for the donations and tooted his own horn about helping people. He then called the donations bribes implying Bills fans and others are criminals. This guy is too much. Hey JJ, accepting bribes is also criminal in case you didn’t know. Oh, but you’re perfect, I forgot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Southern_Bills Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Absolutely astonishing that people are on here questioning Beane's ability as a GM. Everyone makes mistakes. He built a roster that got us to the AFCCG, calm down. Of course unless all that was sarcasm then I retract. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: You're listing some things Beane had no idea would happen. Pointless arguments. Different stages of Bills cap space. Multiple variables playing a role in the decision. Trent Murphy was replaced in free agency and the draft. They had no need for him. There were many other uses for that money. They knew what he was. I could make a similar argument for keeping Lee Smith, but won't. The nearly $9 million cap hit to keep Murphy far outweighs keeping Lee Smith. We are in agreement that Beane has been very inefficient with cap space.........that's why they are up against it with a QB still on his rookie deal. But you are discounting that they still thought that Murphy was perhaps going to return to his peak pass rusher level. That's why they signed him and he had a huge game with 3 sacks in the playoffs against Houston 9 months earlier so they might have thought he was finally getting back to being productive. Murphy as that near double-digit sacks guy that they paid him to be was NOT replaced. That's why we are having this Watt discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Ya Digg? said: Wait he got released AND bought a house in Cleveland int he same day?? Man, that dude was busy yesterday! Or did he already own a house in Cleveland because what superstar athlete wouldn’t want to own a house in Cleveland?? Wait...isn’t Cleveland the halfway point between Pittsburgh and Buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said: Absolutely astonishing that people are on here questioning Beane's ability as a GM. Everyone makes mistakes. He built a roster that got us to the AFCCG, calm down. Of course unless all that was sarcasm then I retract. Nobody's questioning Beane. Don't make it about that. He messed up with Trent Murphy. Those types of mistakes can cost you a Super Bowl. Edited February 13, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said: Absolutely astonishing that people are on here questioning Beane's ability as a GM. Everyone makes mistakes. He built a roster that got us to the AFCCG, calm down. Of course unless all that was sarcasm then I retract. Beane has earned 100% trust, imo. After 2 decades, he fairly quickly turned this team into a SB contender - AND he picked the right Josh. Yet we will still get tons of posts on draft day saying he should have picked this guy or that guy, and blew it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: We are in agreement that Beane has been very inefficient with cap space.........that's why they are up against it with a QB still on his rookie deal. But you are discounting that they still thought that Murphy was perhaps going to return to his peak pass rusher level. That's why they signed him and he had a huge game with 3 sacks in the playoffs against Houston 9 months earlier so they might have thought he was finally getting back to being productive. Murphy as that near double-digit sacks guy that they paid him to be was NOT replaced. That's why we are having this Watt discussion. They replaced him cap wise with Mario Addison. He was replaced by Addison. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Nobody's questioning Beane. Don't make it about that. He messed up with Trent Murphy. Those types of mistakes can cost you a Super Bowl. The same Trent Murphy who was instrumental in the gameplan to shut Lamar Jackson down in the playoffs 🤔 That makes sense my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Dumping Logan Thomas and then watching him become a top receiving TE(3rd in receptions 7th in yards)? That wasn't a bad decision IMO. Not like they dumped him straight away. He was on the roster the first two years here and got on the field ocassionally and was bang average. He then went to Detroit and didn't stick too. You don't just keep dedicating a roster spot to a QB to TE conversion project for four years hoping the light finally comes on when he is 29 year old. I am pleased for Logan but I attach no wrong doing to the Bills in that scenario. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Just now, Southern_Bills said: The same Trent Murphy who was instrumental in the gameplan to shut Lamar Jackson down in the playoffs 🤔 That makes sense my bad So you're telling me that we don't beat Baltimore without Trent Murphy? He had a good game the year before in the playoffs, we lost. Should we re-sign Murphy then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Nobody's questioning Beane. Don't make it about that. He messed up with Trent Murphy. Those types of mistakes can cost you a Super Bowl. Wasn’t Trent Murphy fairly instrumental when it came to containing Lamar Jackson against Baltimore in the playoffs, which got us to the AFC Championship game? So not having Murphy could’ve have also cost us a chance at the Super Bowl? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: So you're telling me that we don't beat Baltimore without Trent Murphy? He had a good game the year before in the playoffs, we lost. Should we re-sign Murphy then? It's hard to say win/lose off one guys performance. Though I will say we wouldn't have been as successful against the read option without him. Also Beane had no clue the salary cap would bottom out. I think the criticism is out of line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Congrats. He’s calling Bills fans criminals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: "Attempts at bribes" 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 For me, the Watt decision is simple. A year ago, the Bills needed a top-10 receiver. The only top-10 players who are available have a back story. Diggs had a back story, so he was available. Is there a risk taking a guy with a back story? Sure, but every decision carries risk. This year, the Bills need a top-10 defensive lineman. Watt is clearly one of those. He has a back story, so he is available. Is there a risk? Sure. Would you like to see JJ Watt rushing the passer for the Bills? Sure. If Beane and Watt can make a deal, it's a no brainer. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said: It's hard to say win/lose off one guys performance. Though I will say we wouldn't have been as successful against the read option without him. Also Beane had no clue the salary cap would bottom out. I think the criticism is out of line. I personally would’ve cut him. I was underwhelmed by him for 2 years, but I don’t think it was this egregious error. It’s pretty simple, they felt having him on the roster at $7.5M was better than saving $7.5M and the next guy up after him. Was he a difference maker for us? No. But for all the whining about our bad defensive line play, you’d think people would be ok with keeping a decent defensive lineman who had shown flashes the previous year to see if he can make a difference or not in a season where going into it you’re making a run at the division and potentially the conference. The move isn’t setting the franchise back decades. Edited February 13, 2021 by JGMcD2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Southern_Bills said: It's hard to say win/lose off one guys performance. Though I will say we wouldn't have been as successful against the read option without him. Also Beane had no clue the salary cap would bottom out. I think the criticism is out of line. Yes he did know. There were no fans. We knew the cap would be low. There is no defending keeping Murphy. No one is attacking Beane. No need to defend him. 5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: For me, the Watt decision is simple. A year ago, the Bills needed a top-10 receiver. The only top-10 players who are available have a back story. Diggs had a back story, so he was available. Is there a risk taking a guy with a back story? Sure, but every decision carries risk. This year, the Bills need a top-10 defensive lineman. Watt is clearly one of those. He has a back story, so he is available. Is there a risk? Sure. Would you like to see JJ Watt rushing the passer for the Bills? Sure. If Beane and Watt can make a deal, it's a no brainer. But do you wait for Von Miller? Also others will become available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: We are in agreement that Beane has been very inefficient with cap space.........that's why they are up against it with a QB still on his rookie deal. But you are discounting that they still thought that Murphy was perhaps going to return to his peak pass rusher level. That's why they signed him and he had a huge game with 3 sacks in the playoffs against Houston 9 months earlier so they might have thought he was finally getting back to being productive. Murphy as that near double-digit sacks guy that they paid him to be was NOT replaced. That's why we are having this Watt discussion. Hmm, not sure I agree. I look at the cap, and the second Josh hits real money, we pretty much have no dead weight under contract. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: For me, the Watt decision is simple. A year ago, the Bills needed a top-10 receiver. The only top-10 players who are available have a back story. Diggs had a back story, so he was available. Is there a risk taking a guy with a back story? Sure, but every decision carries risk. This year, the Bills need a top-10 defensive lineman. Watt is clearly one of those. He has a back story, so he is available. Is there a risk? Sure. Would you like to see JJ Watt rushing the passer for the Bills? Sure. If Beane and Watt can make a deal, it's a no brainer. My concern is he has player his whole career in a very different scheme. I'm not sure at this stage in his career if you can suddenly make him an outside edge rusher in a 4-3 and expect him to be that guy that puts us over the top. That said, I love JJ Watt and for the right contract I'd do it. Is he willing to take below what he could get on the open market to chase a ring? If he is, then come on down. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Watt, Hughes, AJ,Johnson, Rookies vs Hughes, Addison, Jefferson, AJ, Johnson easy choice. If you can swap watt for Addison and Jefferson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 It’s funny seeing people using Logan Thomas as a niche to dig at management, yet hating on Knox for not playing fantastic after two seasons. How long has Thomas been around now? Pretty sure he seen more targets this season alone than him or Knox have seen in their careers almost 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: My concern is he has player his whole career in a very different scheme. I'm not sure at this stage in his career if you can suddenly make him an outside edge rusher in a 4-3 and expect him to be that guy that puts us over the top. That said, I love JJ Watt and for the right contract I'd do it. Is he willing to take below what he could get on the open market to chase a ring? If he is, then come on down. That’s the one thing that scares me about Watt. What position does he play. Seems like 3 tech would be his best position in a 4-3. I saw that you preferred Von Miller to watt, with that I ask, what position does he play? DE is the obvious answer, but it’s also a position that he’s never played before, as Denver has been 3-4 since he’s been in the league iirc. the only thing I know, is we should replace a Addison with a top free agent pass rusher or our 1st rd pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: That’s the one thing that scares me about Watt. What position does he play. Seems like 3 tech would be his best position in a 4-3. I saw that you preferred Von Miller to watt, with that I ask, what position does he play? DE is the obvious answer, but it’s also a position that he’s never played before, as Denver has been 3-4 since he’s been in the league iirc. the only thing I know, is we should replace a Addison with a top free agent pass rusher or our 1st rd pick. I think Watt would be what they wanted Quentin Jefferson to be. Versatile enough to swap between end and DT depending on down and package 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Rc2catch said: It’s funny seeing people using Logan Thomas as a niche to dig at management, yet hating on Knox for not playing fantastic after two seasons. How long has Thomas been around now? Pretty sure he seen more targets this season alone than him or Knox have seen in their careers almost Compare how long they've played TE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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