Cut Singletary

[Mat68]

1.1 mil doesnt change who Buffalo drafts or signs.  Keep him. He is more than servicable.  Both back average above 4 ypc.  They dont get more than whats available.  Lesean McCoy, the guy that got us to the playoffs and played with Rex gets over 1,000 yards last year probably finishes top 3.  

 

Im not saying change anything with offense.  Pass more than run.  A more dynamic runner gets more yards.  For every run they got 1 or 2 more yards they didnt have the gear to get the 20 to 30 yarder that was there.  Thats why Kenneth Davis wasnt a starter.  Davis gets you 4 to 8 yards.  Those plays Thurman gets you 20 40.

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Why? Just draft another RB in the mid rounds and one will be inactive on Sunday taking Yeldon's spot.

 

You are saving virtually nothing and the guy isn't some dude averaging 3 YPC. He still averaged 4.4 YPC this year. 

 

I wouldn't mind seeing Jaret Patterson in a Bills uniform.

 

Better yet have the 3rd true RB active and let Taiwan Jones walk!

Jones had 6 ST tackles and dropped a perfectly thrown TD from Allen.

 

Taiwan Jones full 3 years as a Buffalo Bill stats.

14 Combined Tackles

0 rushes

1 of 6 catches for 11 yards.

 

2020 Cap Hit:  $1.7 Million.

 

 

 

MOVE ON FROM THE SOON TO BE 33 YEAR OLD JONES!

[stuvian]

not sure about cutting anyone but having your QB as your short yardage back will end in injury

[Fred Slacks]

On 1/30/2021 at 9:04 AM, balln said:

 

Saves us 1.1 million

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/devin-singletary-29110/

 

 

Draft this guy. Felton. Converted slot WR > now a RB. Let McKenzie and Roberts walk. This guy is a RB/slot WR/ kick returner all in one.

 

Gotta be ruthless

 

 

Seems like everyone is quick to forget. Last season Singletary was arguably our best offensive player. Just because we switched to mainly a passing offense doesn’t mean he just isn’t a good player. He is a good enough runner under a rookie contract. You’re stupid if you cut him. Not to mention Josh rarely looked to him in the passing game. He had one drop in the playoff game. Get over cutting players. Josh threw a pick are we cutting him?  Diggs dropped a pass are we cutting him?  Singletary can run. Is he a game breaker from a speed standpoint?  No. But if we had decent run blocking in front of him he can easily put together a 1,200+ yard season.   I imagine with Ford back next year we have more of an effort to get a running game going. Our line did well pass blocking but we could still improve. Run blocking they left a lot to be desired.   I just don’t see why all the blame on Singletary. That game loss was hardly on him. 

[Nihilarian]

 

 

[Old Coot]

"Cut Singletary"

 

I think Singletary stays.  Our line wasn't great at opening holes for him.

 

Plus he's good at protecting the QB.  That's not a skill that's easy for a rookie to pick up.  Star RB's out of college tend to specialize in "look out" blocks.

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, stuvian said:

not sure about cutting anyone but having your QB as your short yardage back will end in injury

That's the best answer yet. I want a qb with the capacity to run. I just don't want him to become Lamar Jackson. I guarantee you somewhere down the road Lamar's career will end early just like RG3 & Vick. 

[papazoid]

On 1/30/2021 at 12:04 PM, balln said:

 

Saves us 1.1 million

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/devin-singletary-29110/

 

 

Draft this guy. Felton. Converted slot WR > now a RB. Let McKenzie and Roberts walk. This guy is a RB/slot WR/ kick returner all in one.

 

Gotta be ruthless

 

 

 

 saves $600,000 (he would have $500,000 dead money) 

 

you keep singletary as your 3rd RB on depth chart (moss 2nd, with a new #1)

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, papazoid said:

 

 saves $600,000 (he would have $500,000 dead money) 

 

you keep singletary as your 3rd RB on depth chart (moss 2nd, with a new #1)

Defund the Singletary! 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

17 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Do either of them scare the other teams?  Do other teams scheme how to stop those two.  ... Just saying.

Does it matter?    a Veteran RB demands the vet min of ~800K.  so $ wise it is not a great savings.

 

It's not just these 2 young RB's.  I'd rather see Yeldon go first,

 

With Daboll's insistence of putting it all on Josh the run game comes secondary. Or it had.  But that has to change 

 

[papazoid]

yeldon is a UFA...he's gone

 

singletary is below average

 

moss is mediocre

 

bills need an above ave RB (najee harris or travis etienne)

[papazoid]

 

 

just saw this....now I'm confused....this graph shows yac/att , "yards after contact per rushing attempt" (henry ranks 5th)

 

singletary is ranked 3rd & moss 15th....???? (thats good)

 

wouldn't that then be an indictment on the bills Oline ?? (thats bad)

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/rushing_advanced.htm

 

**click on the header yac/att

Edited February 1, 2021 by papazoid

[T master]

Singletary showed us what he could do in his rookie season which most here were happy to see the production out of a rookie . I believe though that they made Moss more of the lead back this season and cut Singletary's carry's which i believe hurt him .

 

Contrary to expert belief i think RB by comity is way over rated I still think a good RB needs to get into some kind of rhythm of the game but the being said when in the game they need to do their job so the drop did hamper his playing time for sure McD doesn't play .

 

I think the Bills need a bigger back as a compliment Moss & Motor are in the same mould neither are real big if they do go RB in this draft i hope it's a Najee Harris size back as a tough/short yardage back that still has the skills to bust a big one .

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Why in the hell would we cut him when we can trade him instead? There's no way some team wouldn't give at least a late-round pick for him.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

On 1/31/2021 at 3:01 PM, maryland-bills-fan said:

Well I didn't know that other teams didn't split up their RB carries between different players.  Thanks for the new information that the rest of the world doesn't know about.  Oh and ever if you count up all the carries that Moss and Singletary got , they are 27% of the Bills plays.  The next highest team is #33 where there were 33% rushing plays.

 

Edwards-Helaire had similar stats as Singletary... so evidently the rest of the world doesn't know about your amazing skills at being a General Manager outside of TBD and your glowing recommendation to cut a value added player in Singletary. You should add it to your resume- TBD NFL General Manager.

Edited February 1, 2021 by EasternOHBillsFan

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

7 hours ago, papazoid said:

 

 saves $600,000 (he would have $500,000 dead money) 

 

you keep singletary as your 3rd RB on depth chart (moss 2nd, with a new #1)

 

You don't save any money then.  The replacement costs 600k.

6 hours ago, papazoid said:

 

 

just saw this....now I'm confused....this graph shows yac/att , "yards after contact per rushing attempt" (henry ranks 5th)

 

singletary is ranked 3rd & moss 15th....???? (thats good)

 

wouldn't that then be an indictment on the bills Oline ?? (thats bad)

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2020/rushing_advanced.htm

 

**click on the header yac/att

 

I mean... the oline was bad at run blocking.  I don't think moss and singletary did enough with the openings that were there either - but i wouldnt give a pass to the oline either.  Spain switched sides and sucked, then got cut and Winters sucked.  Ford switched positions again, then got hurt.  Boettger was meh.  Feliciano and morse don't impress me either.  Essentially the entire interior of the line was a mess.  

[BuffBillsForLife]

Singletary is not good, or at least not good enough.  But our Oline is utterly incapable of run blocking which means that any potential new RB would also struggle until that gets fixed, so cutting Singletary is pointless since the cap savings are so small.

[PrimeTime101]

On 1/30/2021 at 12:10 PM, Marv's Neighbor said:

This is something that could very well come back to bite us in the as*.  If he gets cut, there's no way he dosn't get offers from other teams.  He's a good runner, and receiver, just needs to have a line that can create some running lanes for him.

there is so many levels of wrong on this post.. I don't no where to start...

[billsfan_34]

On 1/30/2021 at 12:10 PM, Marv's Neighbor said:

This is something that could very well come back to bite us in the as*.  If he gets cut, there's no way he dosn't get offers from other teams.  He's a good runner, and receiver, just needs to have a line that can create some running lanes for him.

Devin is an average back- a 2 at best. He just doesn’t have that second gear you need out of a smaller back. Also, devin drops a lot of passes. Just my take but we must upgrade the RB position.

[Mr. WEO]

Why do they call him "Motor"?

19 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

That's the best answer yet. I want a qb with the capacity to run. I just don't want him to become Lamar Jackson. I guarantee you somewhere down the road Lamar's career will end early just like RG3 & Vick. 

 

RG3's career was done in by a lack of NFL caliber talent.  Josh has no such worries.

[Jay_Fixit]

LOL. I’d cut Moss before I’d cut Singletary.

 

Both are meh. Bills should be looking at adding a RB in the mid rounds.

[maryland-bills-fan]

51 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

LOL. I’d cut Moss before I’d cut Singletary.

 

Both are meh. Bills should be looking at adding a RB in the mid rounds.

That is how we got Moss and Singletary.  Remember that Moss was the 10th running back taken last year.  Do you think they might have been scrapping the bottom of the barrel by that time?

On 1/31/2021 at 5:12 PM, Mat68 said:

1.1 mil doesnt change who Buffalo drafts or signs.  Keep him. He is more than servicable.  Both back average above 4 ypc.  They dont get more than whats available.  Lesean McCoy, the guy that got us to the playoffs and played with Rex gets over 1,000 yards last year probably finishes top 3.  

 

Im not saying change anything with offense.  Pass more than run.  A more dynamic runner gets more yards.  For every run they got 1 or 2 more yards they didnt have the gear to get the 20 to 30 yarder that was there.  Thats why Kenneth Davis wasnt a starter.  Davis gets you 4 to 8 yards.  Those plays Thurman gets you 20 40.

I don't think the yards per carry means that much when you only run the RB's 27% of the time.  When you outside running game is a jet sweep.  When you run that seldom, any run  has a huge surprise factor.  The defenses are then set up to defend the pass and not the run and not either.

[maryland-bills-fan]

On 2/1/2021 at 8:49 AM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Does it matter?    a Veteran RB demands the vet min of ~800K.  so $ wise it is not a great savings.

 

It's not just these 2 young RB's.  I'd rather see Yeldon go first,

 

With Daboll's insistence of putting i all on Josh the run game comes secondary. Or it had.  But that has to change 

 

RB who get the veteran minimum are NOT what we need.  If the guy was a cheap good bargain, he would not be available. If just a veteran, we are NOT going to beat other teams with their discards.  There is no way we are going to get a top 20 guy- we don't have the money.  As to the draft, you are going to spend the money for your draft picks regardless of what position.

 

Pick 30 is ~$15 million, which you are going to spend one way or the other.

The second round is 8 to 11 million

The third round 75-92 is about $4.5 million (Singletary Moss terrirtory) https://heavy.com/sports/2019/04/nfl-draft-pick-salaries-contracts-signing-bonuses/

 

So far we have spent about $9 million on RB's and still don't have someone who scared the opponent, who can break open a game, or who can beat a linebacker as a receiver.   Look up the stat's on how many running plays run per team. The numbers vary between 34% and 55%.  The median value is 44%.  The Bills are "2th" (@38%) but if you take out Allens runs,,, they are at 27%.     Looks like they don't see the need to run or know their RB;s can't.  { https://heavy.com/sports/2019/04/nfl-draft-pick-salaries-contracts-signing-bonuses/   }   .  We should run with RB's about 40% of the time.  Some how we have people thinking that the guy who is carrying the ball 40% of the time is only worth a 3rd round pick?

 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

I was really high on Singletary after his rookie year, but idk if it’s a confidence issue or what since Daboll and the staff showed no faith in him. Whatever the case I can’t see them bringing back a guy they showed zero trust in being able to lead the backfield in the biggest games of the year.

When he got opportunities this year he definitely underwhelmed.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Dr.Mantis_Toboggan

[BornAgainBillsFan]

The reason the coaches gave Moss more chances than Singletary during the latter part of the year was because Moss' more powerful running style gave him a better chance to eke out a few more yards behind the suspect run-blocking up front. So I'm okay with replacing Singletary and/or Moss this offseason. But unless we get a guy with the speed and power to succeed, regardless of the quality of run-blocking, we're right back in the same boat as this past year.

 

The other way to go would be to improve the run-blocking, either with new personnel or better schemes!! Hopefully there will be offseason camps and 2 preseason games to work on that.

[WotAGuy]

They do need to cut Singletary and find one that won’t let Kelce and Hill run amuck in the secondary. 

[Jay_Fixit]

On 2/2/2021 at 8:58 AM, maryland-bills-fan said:

That is how we got Moss and Singletary.  Remember that Moss was the 10th running back taken last year.  Do you think they might have been scrapping the bottom of the barrel by that time?

Possible. I think Singletary brings more to the offense than Moss does though. Both are underwhelming as feature backs but Singletary has more big play ability. He’d be much better as a backup than a starter like this year. 
 

But RB’s are found all over the draft. I just think the Bills need to change their approach. A good back can be had in the mid rounds.

[Patrick Duffy]

12 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Possible. I think Singletary brings more to the offense than Moss does though. Both are underwhelming as feature backs but Singletary has more big play ability. He’d be much better as a backup than a starter like this year. 
 

But RB’s are found all over the draft. I just think the Bills need to change their approach. A good back can be had in the mid rounds.

Yeah I thought Singletary brought more also, however not by a lot though. He great at making players miss and I guess you could add Moss being a rookie, he will likely get better.

 

But the OL run blocking wasn't great either. Probably could add play calling to a certain extent/and or scheme also. Wonder if they draft an OL player or maybe get one in F/A. Anyway, just saying although the RB's struggled, it's not all on them. I'm sure you already know this though.

 

But agree they need a more speedy RB with decent hands obviously. That with improved run blocking may get em over the little hump, or close to it.

Edited February 3, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy

[maryland-bills-fan]

18 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Possible. I think Singletary brings more to the offense than Moss does though. Both are underwhelming as feature backs but Singletary has more big play ability. He’d be much better as a backup than a starter like this year. 
 

But RB’s are found all over the draft. I just think the Bills need to change their approach. A good back can be had in the mid rounds.

Heh?    Most of the time "mid rounds" are 4&5,  sometimes 3rd.  That is where these guys were from.  ?

[wppete]

 

[Frat-Train]

4 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

Him or bust!!

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, Frat-Train said:

Him or bust!!

I know RB's don't get taken much in the 1st round, but at pick 30, I'm not sure he will be there.

[SoCal Deek]

The problem with Singletary this year was that he didn’t look like he was trying all that hard. If the hole wasn’t there he just ran straight into the pile. If the play was to the outside he wouldn’t take on the defender. He’d just collapse or run out of bounds. I have to wonder if he was having motivational issues. He just didn’t look all that committed at any point in the season (with the exception of the long garbage time run against the Jets), and the drop against the Chiefs was the prime example. 

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

The problem with Singletary this year was that he didn’t look like he was trying all that hard. If the hole wasn’t there he just ran straight into the pile. If the play was to the outside he wouldn’t take on the defender. He’d just collapse or run out of bounds. I have to wonder if he was having motivational issues. He just didn’t look all that committed at any point in the season (with the exception of the long garbage time run against the Jets), and the drop against the Chiefs was the prime example. 

Disagree. while he didn't have a great year, run blocking was an issue. Also I recall many times he made defenders miss, which he is good at.

[Blokestradamus]

19 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Heh?    Most of the time "mid rounds" are 4&5,  sometimes 3rd.  That is where these guys were from.  ?

 

It's less about when and more about who, as far as I'm concerned. I'm a big believer in having a diverse backfield unless you can find a significant role for the McCaffrey's of this world that transcend the position.

 

Moss in the 3rd round made me sad because while he's pegged as a power back, he's not a particularly good one. You can survive with him in a rotation as long as you've got a little bit of speed to mix things up. Singletary is another solid back but neither of them make defenders fearful of them.

 

With the Bills having a really good passing attack, teams have to honour that. You have a really shifty back that's a reliable receiver and you can add dimensions to the offense that don't really exist outside of a few gimmick plays. You don't have to run the ball too much if you can use quick game throws etc. to act as a psuedo run game.

[Niagara Dude]

On 1/30/2021 at 12:06 PM, whorlnut said:

You had me at “cut Singletary”. I have seen enough. I really feel that the game was over once he dropped that pass. The way to beat the chiefs is to keep scoring and put pressure on them. Once the chiefs got the ball, they took the lead and it was all but over. 

I agree about the drop pass,  but when you dig deeper you will see this guy is not good enough at running the football.  No size to break tackles and no burst or speed to run by players in this league.  It was a bust pick and i felt that way the day we drafted him,  4.65 in the 40 is not going to get it done.   The Chiefs basically said we think your RB is useless and were going to play 6 DBS all night.  Upgrade by signing another released RB or drafting one and please no more guys from small schools that you never even heard about before draft night.

 

 

From his scouting report during draft year:

Lacks top-end speed to run away from opponents in space

Play speed tends to be monotone throughout the rep

Rarely keeps runs play-side and looks for early cuts

Excessive cuts will be met with earlier tackles from swarming, NFL defenders

Will need to learn to run a more disciplined track

Tendency is to bounce it to his left

Power diminishes when facing squared contact

Suffered from focus drops this season

 

Edited February 4, 2021 by Niagara Dude

[SoCal Deek]

4 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Disagree. while he didn't have a great year, run blocking was an issue. Also I recall many times he made defenders miss, which he is good at.

Well we’ll definitely disagree then. Moss showed way more effort and thus he got more playing time as the season went along.

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Well we’ll definitely disagree then. Moss showed way more effort and thus he got more playing time as the season went along.

I'm not saying he didn't struggle. He obviously did. Just pointing out he wasn't the sole reason. 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

I'm not saying he didn't struggle. He obviously did. Just pointing out he wasn't the sole reason. 

Agree. My point was a simple one. He appeared to me to be struggling mentally or motivationally. I don’t believe he was injured. I’m wondering if his head wasn’t in the game. Personal issues? Covid concerns? Lack of fans cheering? He didn’t look like the same player.

[Jay_Fixit]

On 2/4/2021 at 5:58 AM, maryland-bills-fan said:

Heh?    Most of the time "mid rounds" are 4&5,  sometimes 3rd.  That is where these guys were from.  ?

What’s heh? They just chose poorly in the mid rounds.
 

I’m aware of what mid rounds are. Hence why I wrote the words.