noacls Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: IMO, Houston shouldn't trade him. Tell him to play...or sit out. Then fine him the maximum penalty every day he does not show. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: There is no great answer here. Forcing a malcontent to play won’t yield good locker room. If he sits out, maybe just postponing the inevitable. If you don’t try to trade for assets, which he could garner a windfall than you’ve squandered that opportunity too. Again, I don't disagree. I hold both accountable here. Sad situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I'd just also like to add, Watson is a real piece of work I'm glad we didn't draft. Don't like your front office? You're a UFA in 3 years. You just signed a deal. Garbage. Complete garbage. All right, take it easy. You'll be okay no matter what happens with the QB in Houston. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, FireChans said: No. Jimmy G’s contract was a classic case of everyone getting ahead of themselves that he was being overpaid and overrated. They locked him up for 3 seasons with an easy out. The 49ers can cut him this offseason and save $23M in space. Now I see -- the bonus number is small. Thanks. I was looking at the wrong column. https://www.forbes.com/sites/vincentfrank/2018/02/10/breaking-down-the-details-of-jimmy-garoppolos-record-deal/?sh=442efc3c785a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 I'd trade for him in a second if we didn't have Josh, but does anyone know how he has done in colder climate games? He's born and raised in Georgia. Played college ball in South Carolina. Played half his games indoors for Houston, with divisional games being at Jacksonville, Tennessee and indoors again for Indianapolis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2zipper Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I get that but the Texans have very little on that roster. If I get #2 or #3 I am picking one of those 3 QBs that are not Lawrence and then maximising my capital to try and put stuff around him. So basically I want picks instead of Tua or Darnold. If my QB gets hurt? Well I will just be like most NFL franchises when their QB goes down. I agree here. The value proposition on Watson is that he's probably worth five or six first-round picks and then some if elite defensive players and elite receivers are going for two. If Houston decides to move Watson it means they're blowing it up and with the trade request coming in they can make that decision if they want. The important thing is that they get full value in return, and in that sense the only currency that they should really want is draft picks so they can build up a young roster and keep cap space free. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Pouting athletes in the NBA and NFL manipulating the league. ....lets not forget Eli Manning types before proving their worth. Worse is the sports chatterheads regurgitating this nonsense. Well it apparently has your attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 If they trade him within the conference let’s go ahead and cancel their franchise renewal form. Is there another town in Tennessee that wants a team? Knoxville? Memphis? Make it happen Rodg. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Washington wants him too. But they are listed as having only the 6th or 7th best deal in the Watson sweepstakes... and they aren't parting with Chase Young or Terry McClauren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 This is reportedly going to cost between three and four first round picks to be done. I think Miami is going to get him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, FireChans said: No. Jimmy G’s contract was a classic case of everyone getting ahead of themselves that he was being overpaid and overrated. They locked him up for 3 seasons with an easy out. The 49ers can cut him this offseason and save $23M in space. Gainesville, Georgia! you had it right. I spent a night in Gainesville Georgia about 7 months ago, nice little town but the drive from the Atlanta airport was pure hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Except he's not really gone is he. He has a contract and no way out of it other than to whine and complain. You’re apparently not familiar with plantar fasciitis. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: Well it apparently has your attention. Yeah, I'm a constant obsessive in these sports threads. Goal is to soon be a 10,000 poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: You’re apparently not familiar with plantar fasciitis. Let me introduce everyone to Jalen Ramsey. If he can force a trade, Watson surely can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, zow2 said: Washington wants him too. But they are listed as having only the 6th or 7th best deal in the Watson sweepstakes... and they aren't parting with Chase Young or Terry McClauren. That is ridiculous on their part. I'd trade both of them and their first round pick for Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Hopefully they aren’t dumb enough to trade him within conference. Even BoB knew to trade nuke to the other conference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: This is reportedly going to cost between three and four first round picks to be done. I think Miami is going to get him. I have always said that. Tua is a man of faith (big plus for the brain dead Texan ownership) and provides "some cover" for the fans as he supposedly has great potential although I think he wil be a mediocre quarterback at best. Miami has plenty of draft capital (ironically thanks top the Texans), Watson gets to go to tax free Florida and play for an upcoming AA HC. Everybody wins in an otherwise terrible situation for the Texans. 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Let me introduce everyone to Jalen Ramsey. If he can force a trade, Watson surely can. Watson can force a trade...there wil be a long, long off season and the Texans will cave, write that down and say Roy Batty said so. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: I have always said that. Tua is a man of faith (big plus for the brain dead Texan ownership) and provides "some cover" for the fans as he supposedly has great potential although I think he wil be a mediocre quarterback at best. Miami has plenty of draft capital (ironically thanks top the Texans), Watson gets to go to tax free Florida and play for an upcoming AA HC. Everybody wins in an otherwise terrible situation for the Texans. This makes sense, but the Jets have a ton of ammo too, and I personally prefer Darnold to Tua. But the Texans might feel otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Miami Dolphins. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, dave mcbride said: This makes sense, but the Jets have a ton of ammo too, and I personally prefer Darnold to Tua. But the Texans might feel otherwise. They would get pick #2 - so they theoretically don't need either. They're drafting someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, dneveu said: They would get pick #2 - so they theoretically don't need either. They're drafting someone. Do you believe in any of these QBs beyond Lawrence? I don't. Someone may pan out, but it's a gamble. Watson is a proven franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: This is reportedly going to cost between three and four first round picks to be done. I think Miami is going to get him. The Jets could put a better offer on the table than Miami. Either way their is a good chance he lands in the division. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: You’re apparently not familiar with plantar fasciitis. The last person to try the whining move was Leveon Bell. He wound up losing quite a bit of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: This is reportedly going to cost between three and four first round picks to be done. I think Miami is going to get him. I don't care who you are trading for. Giving up 4 1st round picks would ruin that franchise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: This makes sense, but the Jets have a ton of ammo too, and I personally prefer Darnold to Tua. But the Texans might feel otherwise. Lets see how smart Flores really is. He might actually think he can develop Tua into some sort of superstar.. we will build around him just like the Bills did with Allen blah blah blah. I didnt realize how bad Darnolds numbers were this year and yes he was on a terrible team but his rating has dropped every year. I can see the Jets moving on from Darnold. Its a shame really, we had a great situation in the AFCE...Miami has the low ceiling future QB, Jets squandered possibly ruined Darnold, the Pats have no real QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: The last person to try the whining move was Leveon Bell. He wound up losing quite a bit of money. Top 5 QB is much more valuable than any RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, WhoTom said: I have a feeling we'll be seeing him twice a year for a while. Miami worries me more as they already have a decent roster. Add Watson, hey could be come very good with few other moves. If the Jets give up a number of good picks to get Watson, they will still be left with holes and no high draft picks to use to get the players. Maybe Houston would be smart and try to trade to NFC team so they to don't need to face him. But not sure what NFC teams have the picks to do it with. Maybe Houston will figure they need more than one year anyway so would take 1sts spread over two years as that would then open up other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: The last person to try the whining move was Leveon Bell. He wound up losing quite a bit of money. Except Watson already has his new contract. This isnt a hold out for contract negotiations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, y2zipper said: I agree here. The value proposition on Watson is that he's probably worth five or six first-round picks and then some if elite defensive players and elite receivers are going for two. If Houston decides to move Watson it means they're blowing it up and with the trade request coming in they can make that decision if they want. The important thing is that they get full value in return, and in that sense the only currency that they should really want is draft picks so they can build up a young roster and keep cap space free. The problem is, they are dealing from a position of weakness now that he has requested a trade and everyone knows he won't play for them so at some point they are going to have to take the best offer they can get, and almost assuredly they will do it prior to the draft so they are even backed into a corner in terms of how much time they have as well. They are going to get nowhere close to what they could have gotten otherwise, and no team is going to give up that many 1st round picks no matter how good a QB is. They also picked the worst possible time to have to trade a player on a relatively big contract since so many teams have low amounts of cap space due to COVID. I predict they get maybe 2 firsts and a lower round pick...if it is the Jets/Dolphins trading I doubt they offer them the #2/#3 pick and then still give up another first...other teams are offering them much less valuable first round picks, they would be smart to offer them the lower first rounders they have. Edited January 28, 2021 by Big Turk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, DJB said: Live look at Bill OBrien as he attempts to get a job with Watson's new team unfortunately, Watson is inelgible to return to NCAA, but hed def make Alabama the favorites again next year lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: Lets see how smart Flores really is. He might actually think he can develop Tua into some sort of superstar.. we will build around him just like the Bills did with Allen blah blah blah. I didnt realize how bad Darnolds numbers were this year and yes he was on a terrible team but his rating has dropped every year. I can see the Jets moving on from Darnold. Its a shame really, we had a great situation in the AFCE...Miami has the low ceiling future QB, Jets squandered possibly ruined Darnold, the Pats have no real QB. I am worried about the Pats, to be honest. They went 7-9 with a garbage roster, have 10 opt-outs coming back (including Dont'a Hightower, an awesome player), 10 draft picks, and over $60 million in cap space. In an interview mid-season, Matt Light said that Belichick felt all along that this was a joke of a season given Covid (I disagree about that), and that the solution was to load up to go all in in 2021. It is the case that he's the greatest coach ever. As for QB, there are enough decent options floating around out there that I fear they'll end up with someone who is at least pretty good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 The only hope I have in all of this is Nick Caserio. My hope is he is smart enough not to trade this guy in the AFC. I cannot believe how insanely stupid the Texans are with a no trade clause...my God man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The problem is, they are dealing from a position of weakness now that he has requested a trade and everyone knows he won't play for them so at some point they are going to have to take the best offer they can get, and almost assuredly they will do it prior to the draft so they are even backed into a corner in terms of how much time they have as well. They are going to get nowhere close to what they could have gotten otherwise, and no team is going to give up that many 1st round picks no matter how good a QB is. They also picked the worst possible time to have to trade a player on a relatively big contract since so many teams have low amounts of cap space due to COVID. I predict they get maybe 2 firsts and a lower round pick...if it is the Jets/Dolphins trading I doubt they offer them the #2/#3 pick and then still give up another first...other teams are offering them much less valuable first round picks, they would be smart to offer them the lower first rounders they have. Think you are going to be shocked. There will be a bidding war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: The last person to try the whining move was Leveon Bell. He wound up losing quite a bit of money. The last person was actually Jalen Ramsey. It worked out for him. 4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: The only hope I have in all of this is Nick Caserio. My hope is he is smart enough not to trade this guy in the AFC. I cannot believe how insanely stupid the Texans are with a no trade clause...my God man. Fyi, here are the details: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30749365/deshaun-watson-no-trade-clause-puts-houston-texans-no-win-situation. FWIW, I fully expect that Allen will get a no-trade clause given that Mahomes, Watson, and Russell (the immediate predecessor models for his contract) all have one. Edited January 28, 2021 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: The last person was actually Jalen Ramsey. It worked out for him. Adams as well. Pretty sure he went about it the same way. Twitter is a great tool for these guys 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: write that down and say Roy Batty said so. Consider it done: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Houston is set to play Jets and Bills at home, and Miami and Pats away next year. Makes me think they might lean Miami just to avoid the "homecoming" with the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 If I'm the Texans I would honestly hold on to him and play that game for a season. Get a bunch of cash paid back. Trade him next offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Think you are going to be shocked. There will be a bidding war. I don't see it. Teams are going to give up massive draft capital AND take on the biggest contract on their team by far as well? Not happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: The only hope I have in all of this is Nick Caserio. My hope is he is smart enough not to trade this guy in the AFC. I cannot believe how insanely stupid the Texans are with a no trade clause...my God man. I am one of the LAST people to defend the Texans brain trust but living down here I hear more about them than I care. They got Watson so sign an otherwise Texans=-attractive deal and one of the freebies (or so the Texans thought) they threw in for him to sign is we will never ever want you to go away. LOL. Great example of be careful what you wish for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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