32 rush yards from our running backs

[Helpmenow]

Do they have the right offensive linemen as well for the run game? 65, 60 not sure there.

[Pbomb]

Teams don’t even account for it and still stop it for 2 yards every time. 

[MWK]

Singletary is a RB3. We need a serious upgrade at RB so we can actually have a diverse offense

[papazoid]

Top Free Agent RB's

 

1) Aaron Jones, Green Bay Packers
2) Kenyan Drake, Arizona Cardinals
3) Todd Gurley, Atlanta Falcons
4) Chris Carson, Seattle Seahawks
5) Philip Lindsay, Denver Broncos
6) Le’Veon Bell, Kansas City Chiefs
7) Leonard Fournette, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
😎 James White, New England Patriots
9) Tevin Coleman, San Francisco 49ers
10) Mike Davis, Carolina Panthers

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

It's easy to play cover one press, when the Refs allow you to mug receivers 15 yards downfield

 

They weren't scared because they were allowed to mug receivers

Yea that could be true...thats still on us for not taking advantage of that too.  Seems like they don't throw flags in the playoffs except for on that horrible flop at the end of the packers game lol

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

5 hours ago, nucci said:

you want a RB to go back in time 3 years?

Sometimes it happens when they have time to heal up. I'm only saying its worth keeping him around on the cheap to see if the tank can get refilled as an option. Even as RB#3 he may be able to contribute more than Devin. Competition is healthy and let the best RB's win.  

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

3 hours ago, Artem Lipatov said:

It’s clear you can’t draft RBs in 3rd round and hope they’ll turned into stars. They are so low because combine demonstrate they have no burst and speed . And now we see it in games

Tell Alvin Kamara that.   You can add James Connor, Kenyan Drake, Kareem Hunt (and David Johnson pre-injury) into that conversation too. I'd take any one of them. We just didn't hit on our 3rd rounders. Maybe Moss will develop. Devin definitely regressed.  It's not that it can't happen, it just didn't happen for us.

[streetkings01]

Check my post history....every thread where people say we need a dynamic TE I always say we need a homerun threat at the RB spot. In this offense a dynamic TE doesn't do much for us since we're so WR heavy. An explosive RB would help this offense out so much, we have no homerun threat coming out of the backfield.  We can stay pass happy, but we need a RB that can take those screen passes 40-50 yards to the house, take a perfectly blocked run play 50 yards to the house.......we have none of that with Singletary and Moss.  Me personally I'd rather keep Moss and compliment him with a homerun threat.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, BillsRdue said:

Tell Alvin Kamara that.   You can add James Connor, Kenyan Drake, Kareem Hunt (and David Johnson pre-injury) into that conversation too. I'd take any one of them. We just didn't hit on our 3rd rounders. Maybe Moss will develop. Devin definitely regressed.  It's not that it can't happen, it just didn't happen for us.

Jamaal Charles, Curtis Martin, Frank gore. 
 

there are gems to be found in every round for every position.  I agree, the thought that we can’t find a very good rb in rd 3 is a terrible take.  
 

we may have not hit on one yet, but if there’s a rb talent there that we like in the future, I expect us to take him.

 

that said, we need an upgrade at RB.  Preferably adding one with speed to pair with Moss.  Motor as the Yeldon/inactive rb makes sense to me..... or cut him

[Teddy KGB]

9 hours ago, njbuff said:

I wonder what the trade market could offer for a RB?

 

Probably not much.

 

 

tampa got “playoff Lenny” for close to nothing.   

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

Tell Alvin Kamara that.   You can add James Connor, Kenyan Drake, Kareem Hunt (and David Johnson pre-injury) into that conversation too. I'd take any one of them. We just didn't hit on our 3rd rounders. Maybe Moss will develop. Devin definitely regressed.  It's not that it can't happen, it just didn't happen for us.

 

Yeah - i mean... Hunt isn't fast.  Kamara isn't notably fast.  Connor isn't fast.  Drake ran a fast 40, but play speed he doesn't seem fast.  I'm not sure its all on the backs, or their speed.  There just isn't any juice to the running game.  We play like 80 percent of the game from shotgun for pass protection, and then when we go from under center we run the ball on like 75% of the snaps - not really very deceptive there.  Also, the team isn't very good at run blocking.

[LABILLBACKER]

11 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

Its been a problem all season long,  how many long runs did we see from either Singletary or Moss.  We need a new feature back next season with some speed

We need to stop drafting 5-7 slow rbs. Singletary is useless. Moss is decent but not great. We need more speed at RB and someone needs to teach our OL how to run block. This is ridiculous. 

[Nextmanup]

11 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

NFL playoff games show team weaknesses.

 

The Bills were exposed.

It's fair to suggest we were outclassed on both sides of the ball.

 

KC was able to handle us the way we handled the LA Chargers earlier in the year.

 

The gap between teams is still pretty big IMO.

 

But it's nice to know the team that did us in is maybe the best team in football and probably about to be a Super Bowl winning Dynasty.

 

 

[Bangarang]

Here’s the thing, I don’t want us running more. I just want us to run better when we do. Moss and Singletary are slow and have little big play ability. 
 

We have an MVP caliber QB who led one of the best offenses in the league to 13 wins. The last thing I want to do is take the ball out of his hands to run the ball more. We are a passing offense now. If you’re telling me we need to draft a RB high then I’m not thrilled with the idea. I’d rather draft lineman high and look for a speedy back in the mid to late rounds. 
 

One of the big issues we have is we don’t have anyone that can pressure the QB consistently. Hughes and Addison are becoming fossils and Epenesa doesn’t look like he has that kind of burst to be a consistent disrupter. 
 

We desperately need someone who can create pressure and we need another playmaker on offense, preferably a pass catcher

Edited January 25, 2021 by Bangarang

[TheFunPolice]

I'm surprised that Singletary regressed so much. He had some nice moves and made plays his rookie season.

 

We absolutely MUST get a good running game next season. Our offense is too 1 dimensional. 

[Albany,n.y.]

Beane totally understands that the Bills are inadequate at RB, that's why when the Jets released Bell he tried to sign him but lost out to KC (where he was injured & out yesterday).  

While there are other positions of need, the Bills need to spend their #1 pick (30th) on a RB, just like KC did last year with pick 32.  

After the game I declared Singletary is the Terry Miller of the 21st century-best season as a rookie & then fades away.  

[Niagara Dude]

6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We need to stop drafting 5-7 slow rbs. Singletary is useless. Moss is decent but not great. We need more speed at RB and someone needs to teach our OL how to run block. This is ridiculous. 

That drop to me was the end of his time with the Bills,  he is not good enough as a runner to be dropping wide open passes.  Had open field in front of him and if he made those plays that KC was conceding it would have opened up single coverage on WR'S downfield.  They basically gave us that because they were not concerned of any of our RB'S breaking a big play. So if we want to beat KC,  you beat them at their own game and start adding speed at skilled positions like RB & TE

[Iverwig]

While we do need a stronger running game that’s not the reason they lost yesterday. The Chiefs did whatever they wanted on offense and the Bills offense is no on par with theirs with or without a running game. 

[OrtonHearsaWho]

I really don't get how so few commenters put so much of the blame on the backs and so little on the offensive line/scheme.  I get that it's frustrating watching Motor consistently getting stuffed at the line of scrimmage but is that really because he's slow, lacks burst & isn't a home run hitter?

 

Motor and Moss were both at the bottom of the league in yards before contact but Motor was near the top in yards after contact and Moss was middle of the pack.  Maybe a bit more speed means they could hit the hole faster but I really think the issue is that the holes weren't there in the first place either because the line simply doesn't run block well or the scheme doesn't create holes.

 

I do think that getting a back is a good idea but I think drafting one in the first or second round would be a mistake especially if it means trading up to get one.

17 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Here’s the thing, I don’t want us running more. I just want us to run better when we do. Moss and Singletary are slow and have little big play ability. 
 

We have an MVP caliber QB who led one of the best offenses in the league to 13 wins. The last thing I want to do is take the ball out of his hands to run the ball more. We are a passing offense now. If you’re telling me we need to draft a RB high then I’m not thrilled with the idea. I’d rather draft lineman high and look for a speedy back in the mid to late rounds. 
 

One of the big issues we have is we don’t have anyone that can pressure the QB consistently. Hughes and Addison are becoming fossils and Epenesa doesn’t look like he has that kind of burst to be a consistent disrupter. 
 

We desperately need someone who can create pressure and we need another playmaker on offense, preferably a pass catcher

 

This gets a little off topic but since a lot of posts have talked about the draft what the heck.  Forget RB in round one but if somehow Kyle Pitts manages to slip to the middle of the first round or even to the 20s, you absolutely have to consider trading up to get him.  I believe that he could end up being the same type of generational talent that Kelce is.

[HeHateMe]

Our O-line is a bad run blocking unit, there are never any holes.  Add in slow and small RBs who are not dynamic in any way and this is the result.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

35 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

One of the big issues we have is we don’t have anyone that can pressure the QB consistently. Hughes and Addison are becoming fossils and Epenesa doesn’t look like he has that kind of burst to be a consistent disrupter.  We desperately need someone who can create pressure and we need another playmaker on offense, preferably a pass catcher.

I'm in this camp. We don't have the Barrett and Pierre Paul combo that can generate 5 sacks and consistent pressure to turn a game. We need this badly. AJ is not it. Hughes is 1/2 it. (maybe) Addison was useless.  To me this is our #1 off-season need. #2 is an LB who can cover a top TE.  #3 is an LB who can wreak havoc in the pass rush.  #4 WR2 (maybe if Brown is healthy, he fits it, maybe Gabe steps up) but we need more speed and separation.  #5. A breakaway threat at RB

[Bangarang]

37 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Beane totally understands that the Bills are inadequate at RB, that's why when the Jets released Bell he tried to sign him but lost out to KC (where he was injured & out yesterday).  

While there are other positions of need, the Bills need to spend their #1 pick (30th) on a RB, just like KC did last year with pick 32.  

After the game I declared Singletary is the Terry Miller of the 21st century-best season as a rookie & then fades away.  

We actually don’t need to do that at all.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Having no interest in running the football this season was as puzzling as it was frustrating. Why anyone would make themselves 1 dimensional on purpose, is beyond me. The nights you don’t have it...you are done. 

[Comebackkid]

12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The DL is one of the most expensive in the league.  The problem on defense is value.

 

I think the run scheme is OK, the run blocking is losing the battle in the trenches.  It's OK when we try against the average DLs but it fails against the best.

Looked the tackles couldnt keep up with the speed of the chiefs D.     Seems like this is where we have used Singletary to help chip before. 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Here’s the thing, I don’t want us running more. I just want us to run better when we do. Moss and Singletary are slow and have little big play ability. 
 

We have an MVP caliber QB who led one of the best offenses in the league to 13 wins. The last thing I want to do is take the ball out of his hands to run the ball more. We are a passing offense now. If you’re telling me we need to draft a RB high then I’m not thrilled with the idea. I’d rather draft lineman high and look for a speedy back in the mid to late rounds. 
 

One of the big issues we have is we don’t have anyone that can pressure the QB consistently. Hughes and Addison are becoming fossils and Epenesa doesn’t look like he has that kind of burst to be a consistent disrupter. 
 

We desperately need someone who can create pressure and we need another playmaker on offense, preferably a pass catcher

 

I agree with this to a point.  The problem I see with our RB's' particularly Singleterry is the lack of production in the passing game.  Tow recent examples:

 

1)  Against the Ravens the Bills had the perfect screen set up.  Singleterry catches the ball and slips.  That should have been a 20 yard gain.

 

2)  Against KC Singleterry drops a potential 20 yard or more gain on a simple swing pass.

 

That's a lot of yards lost on two simple plays.  With our downfield WR threat and Allen's threat to run our RB's should be putting up big time receiving numbers but they don't.  And that's a big problem but also a big opportunity for the Bills to cheaply add firepower to this offense.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

27 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

We actually don’t need to do that at all.

 

I'd say it a little differently: if we do that, but we don't fix our run blocking and/or play design and/or practice allocation and/or anything else limiting the rush, we'll be disappointed in the results

[Hebert19]

And one nasty drop.  

4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I agree with this to a point.  The problem I see with our RB's' particularly Singleterry is the lack of production in the passing game.  Tow recent examples:

 

1)  Against the Ravens the Bills had the perfect screen set up.  Singleterry catches the ball and slips.  That should have been a 20 yard gain.

 

2)  Against KC Singleterry drops a potential 20 yard or more gain on a simple swing pass.

 

That's a lot of yards lost on two simple plays.  With our downfield WR threat and Allen's threat to run our RB's should be putting up big time receiving numbers but they don't.  And that's a big problem but also a big opportunity for the Bills to cheaply add firepower to this offense.

 

 

So true.  Finding an upgrade to Singletary would be cheap and easy.  

[deadbeef]

I looked at some of the teams the Patriots beat in years past and they beat some phenomenal offenses with good D.  Look at their first win in 2001.  They held the greatest show on turf to under 20 points.  That was a HOF RB, QB and 2 HOF caliber receivers.  Ditto what they did to the chargers in AFC championship games when they had LT, Rivers, Gates.  The 2008 patriots were beat by a great D and great pass rush of the giants.

 

yes, a prolific O can win but only until it gets shutdown.
 

We can’t win shootouts everytime.  We win if we keep KC under 20 points.  A RB doesn’t fix that.  DE might. 

[OrtonHearsaWho]

9 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I agree with this to a point.  The problem I see with our RB's' particularly Singleterry is the lack of production in the passing game.  Tow recent examples:

 

1)  Against the Ravens the Bills had the perfect screen set up.  Singleterry catches the ball and slips.  That should have been a 20 yard gain.

 

2)  Against KC Singleterry drops a potential 20 yard or more gain on a simple swing pass.

 

That's a lot of yards lost on two simple plays.  With our downfield WR threat and Allen's threat to run our RB's should be putting up big time receiving numbers but they don't.  And that's a big problem but also a big opportunity for the Bills to cheaply add firepower to this offense.

 

 

 

That's a great point and I think is the better argument for replacing Singletary, not his running ability.

 

A lot of people here talk about the value of a running back's home run ability but I think versatility is far more important.  Kamara is Kamara because you can put him anywhere on the field and he's a mismatch...same goes for Barkley, Hunt, Aaron Jones, McCaffrey, etc. 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, OrtonHearsaWho said:

I really don't get how so few commenters put so much of the blame on the backs and so little on the offensive line/scheme.  I get that it's frustrating watching Motor consistently getting stuffed at the line of scrimmage but is that really because he's slow, lacks burst & isn't a home run hitter?

 

Motor and Moss were both at the bottom of the league in yards before contact but Motor was near the top in yards after contact and Moss was middle of the pack.  Maybe a bit more speed means they could hit the hole faster but I really think the issue is that the holes weren't there in the first place either because the line simply doesn't run block well or the scheme doesn't create holes.

 

The whole run game thing is a mystery wrapped in a conundrum to me.

 

It's not that we were totally inept at running the football.  We had 3 games (NE, LAC, DEN) where our rush yards (after subtracting Allen) exceeded the run ave. of the top 5 rush teams in the league. 

 

All 3 of those teams are in the bottom half of the league for rush YPA given up - 20th, 17th, and 29th. 

 

If you look at "Chopping Wood" with Eric Wood and also a couple of Cover1 episodes - I think YPP had some stuff too maybe? or Baldy? - they have some great breakdowns of how our run plays are well designed and effective when properly executed. 

 

I think there are two factors.  One, I believe our OL isn't strong and/or technically sound enough to sustain blocks against the best front-7s.  Two, I think it's not a sufficient focus of our week-to-week practice to maintain the timing and execution at a high enough level.  Daboll wants to keep it in the closet and then pull it out and dust it off every 3rd week or something like that, and that isn't working.

 

Now the interesting thing is that KC is in the lower half of the league for rush YPA, 20th.  But they were "Crunk" yesterday.  They really seemed to have us diagnosed beautifully, also.

 

12 minutes ago, OrtonHearsaWho said:

 

That's a great point and I think is the better argument for replacing Singletary, not his running ability.

 

A lot of people here talk about the value of a running back's home run ability but I think versatility is far more important.  Kamara is Kamara because you can put him anywhere on the field and he's a mismatch...same goes for Barkley, Hunt, Aaron Jones, McCaffrey, etc.

 

Yes.  I had hopes for Singletary to emerge in the screen and short passing game.  I don't believe he was noted as a pass catcher in college?  But we need a guy who can be a bit more clutch in those situations.