dorquemada Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Sorry in advance if this has been shared. https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/35629/buffalo-bills-can-justify-trading-patrick-mahomes-pick-by-reaching-super-bowl It's a fair article and in fact should the Bills win, we can put the question to rest forever here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 "ESPN Joins The Eternal Debate" The earth is flat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Sorry in advance if this has been shared. https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/35629/buffalo-bills-can-justify-trading-patrick-mahomes-pick-by-reaching-super-bowl It's a fair article and in fact should the Bills win, we can put the question to rest forever here. I think the question has been put to rest already, although I understand if some may disagree. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: "ESPN Joins The Eternal Debate" The earth is flat. Exactly, just ask Sammy Watkins, that and the moon landing was done on a Hollywood back lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, eball said: I think the question has been put to rest already, although I understand if some may disagree. What exact question are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, StHustle said: What exact question are you referring to? Whether it was a mistake to pass on Mahomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Doc said: Whether it was a mistake to pass on Mahomes. How can that question have been answered already unless the answer is yes? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, StHustle said: How can that question have been answered already unless the answer is yes? Because the question can also be answered no. 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Mahomes is injury prone, his toes are weak and he can't even handle a simple head slam to the turf 1 9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Sorry in advance if this has been shared. https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/35629/buffalo-bills-can-justify-trading-patrick-mahomes-pick-by-reaching-super-bowl It's a fair article and in fact should the Bills win, we can put the question to rest forever here. To me, this is such a flawed “debate.” Only because we have no idea whether Mahomes is the same player in Buffalo that he became in KC. If you could guarantee Mahomes is the same exact QB then of course, they’d take him. He’d probably be the #1 pick. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Sorry in advance if this has been shared. https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/35629/buffalo-bills-can-justify-trading-patrick-mahomes-pick-by-reaching-super-bowl It's a fair article and in fact should the Bills win, we can put the question to rest forever here. We can get some hints after this game, but i dont think we can put it to rest. This game has the potential to be a 10-15yr rivalry. I dont see Josh, Tre or Mahomes leaving their teams anytime soon, so its going to be ongoing over the length of their careers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: the moon landing was done on a Hollywood back lot... You serious? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Sorry in advance if this has been shared. https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/35629/buffalo-bills-can-justify-trading-patrick-mahomes-pick-by-reaching-super-bowl It's a fair article and in fact should the Bills win, we can put the question to rest forever here. I have to say I heard the article and I really like Marcel’s angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, JohnNord said: To me, this is such a flawed “debate.” Only because we have no idea whether Mahomes is the same player in Buffalo that he became in KC. If you could guarantee Mahomes is the same exact QB then of course, they’d take him. He’d probably be the #1 pick. You’d take him and you’d be very happy until year 3 of Josh Allen on another team, when the doubts would start to set in, “should’ve waited” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) Dion Dawkins had nothing to do with the Mahomes trade. The pick they used from the trade to move up in the 2nd round was used to select Zay Jones. So the trade really looks like this: Bills trade pick 10 of 2017 draft (Mahomes) to KC & 2018 3rd rounder Bills for got Tyrod Taylor to Baltimore for White, pick used to trade up for Zay Jones who was traded for pick 145 of the 2021 draft, Edmunds & Neal. Basically: Bills trade Mahomes & Taylor Bills get White, Edmunds, Neal & pick 145 of this year's draft. Edited January 20, 2021 by Albany,n.y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Mahomes is injury prone, his toes are weak and he can't even handle a simple head slam to the turf I hope the equipment team is packing some wet floor mats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 35 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Sorry in advance if this has been shared. https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/35629/buffalo-bills-can-justify-trading-patrick-mahomes-pick-by-reaching-super-bowl It's a fair article and in fact should the Bills win, we can put the question to rest forever here. Ha, nice way to disguise/justify Yet Another "Bills Screwed Up By Trading the Mahomes Pick" thread. Should the Bills win, we will still be debating it, rest assured. 6 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: You serious? No. He's not serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: You serious? LOL, 😂 no, I am hardly ever serious... But I am a big fan of science and medicine, if for no other reason that they have both made my life better, in that I am still alive, (long story) Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ha, nice way to disguise/justify Yet Another "Bills Screwed Up By Trading the Mahomes Pick" thread. For what it's worth, i'm inclined to argue that the Bills did not, in fact, screw up I'm looking for some supporting evidence this week that will help get the talking heads on board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ha, nice way to disguise/justify Yet Another "Bills Screwed Up By Trading the Mahomes Pick" thread. Should the Bills win, we will still be debating it, rest assured. Everyone knows these threads are really the "6 degrees of Duke Williams". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 This all goes back to when we traded Daryl Lamonica for Tom Flores. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Dion Dawkins had nothing to do with the Mahomes trade. The pick they used from the trade to move up in the 2nd round was used to select Zay Jones. So the trade really looks like this: Bills trade pick 10 of 2017 draft (Mahomes) to KC & 2018 3rd rounder Bills for got Tyrod Taylor to Baltimore for White, pick used to trade up for Zay Jones who was traded for pick 145 of the 2021 draft, Edmunds & Neal. Incorrect. In the trade down with KC the Bills got KC pick #91. There was a pick package traded with the Rams so the Rams could move up that included this pick. The pick package traded to Atlanta to move up for Dawkins included a pick from the Rams package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, eball said: Because the question can also be answered no. How? It can't possibly be no seeing that, as of right now, we passed on a guy that ended up NFL MVP his first season starting then went and won a superbowl the next season. How can one possibly say, based on the CURRENT SITUATION, that passing on a guy who is universally recognized as having GOAT potential and already has HOF accolades a few seasons into his career, was indeed NOT a mistake???? So back to the concept of this thread. Can you not agree that for it to TRULY not have been a mistake, we would need to have ended up with a QB that could produce similar results? If you say otherwise, then you're clearly speaking from a biased perspective which makes you a waste of time to debate with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: LOL, 😂 no, I am hardly ever serious... But I am a big fan of science and medicine, if for no other reason that they have both made my life better, in that I am still alive, (long story) Go Bills!!! It was a Christmas Vacation reference. Got to tread so lightly in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 49 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: "ESPN Joins The Eternal Debate" The earth is flat. ESPN still exists? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Just now, I am the egg man said: It was a Christmas Vacation reference. Got to tread so lightly in here. Nah, it evidently went over my head 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Incorrect. In the trade down with KC the Bills got KC pick #91. There was a pick package traded with the Rams so the Rams could move up that included this pick. The pick package traded to Atlanta to move up for Dawkins included a pick from the Rams package. We're both wrong. We traded up not the Rams. Pick 91 was traded to the Rams for us to move up for Zay Jones but as part of the deal we got pick 149 which was part of the Dawkins trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 34 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: You serious? no it was clearly inside a studio 21 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: This all goes back to when we traded Daryl Lamonica for Tom Flores. pretty sure trading OJ to the 49ers was key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: We're both wrong. We traded up not the Rams. Pick 91 was traded to the Rams for us to move up for Zay Jones but as part of the deal we got pick 149 which was part of the Dawkins trade up. correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: ESPN still exists? extremely sad profitability now.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 42 minutes ago, dorquemada said: For what it's worth, i'm inclined to argue that the Bills did not, in fact, screw up I'm looking for some supporting evidence this week that will help get the talking heads on board My philosophy is "they never will be on board so ***** 'em all and don't worry about it" 39 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: This all goes back to when we traded Daryl Lamonica for Tom Flores. Damned Straight! We should never have traded Daryl Lamonica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 58 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Dion Dawkins had nothing to do with the Mahomes trade. The pick they used from the trade to move up in the 2nd round was used to select Zay Jones. So the trade really looks like this: Bills trade pick 10 of 2017 draft (Mahomes) to KC & 2018 3rd rounder Bills for got Tyrod Taylor to Baltimore for White, pick used to trade up for Zay Jones who was traded for pick 145 of the 2021 draft, Edmunds & Neal. Basically: Bills trade Mahomes & Taylor Bills get White, Edmunds, Neal & pick 145 of this year's draft. Watch pick 145 be this amazing DE or TE. This is Patrick's 2nd major concussion. Will he have the longevity of Josh remains to be seen? I love me some 17 and am happy with Tre, Tremaine and Siran. We did well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewPort71 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 When I saw "eternal debate", I thought Flutie or Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, I am the egg man said: It was a Christmas Vacation reference. Got to tread so lightly in here. You should have posted this: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, LewPort71 said: When I saw "eternal debate", I thought Flutie or Johnson I thought Betty, or Veronica. I wouldn't trade Allen for Mahomes straight up today. Much less Allen AND Tre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: Mahomes is injury prone, his toes are weak and he can't even handle a simple head slam to the turf Dont forget the dislocated knee 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 (edited) Some trades work out for both teams. The Vikings got a great rookie WR in Jefferson and a bunch of additional picks for a disgruntled Diggs who wasn't going to reach his ceiling in Minnesota. The Bills got the superstar WR they desperately needed, who has helped their QB become a MVP candidate and the team become an offensive juggernaut. The Chiefs clearly did great in the Mahomes trade. They have MVP-caliber franchise QB who has led their team to a Super Bowl win and has them in contention for the 3rd season in a row. The Bills also made out well - they ended up with a MVP-caliber franchise QB who has the the team in contention who is a perfect cultural fit for the team and the city, an All-Pro caliber CB who is also cultural fit, and ancillary pieces (Neal, and whatever other draft capital we may or may not have related to Zay Jones and/or Dawkins). Had Allen not developed, we'd be looking at this differently, but he has and the Bills are in fine shape. And Mahomes might not have been an MVP candidate as early as he was had he been playing with the likes of Zay Jones and Andre Holmes as his WR corps. I suspect he'd be better with the likes of Diggs, Beasley and Brown, as has Allen. Imagine how much better Allen would be if he had Travis Kelce to throw to.... Sunday should be fun! Edited January 21, 2021 by msw2112 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, dorquemada said: Sorry in advance if this has been shared. https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/35629/buffalo-bills-can-justify-trading-patrick-mahomes-pick-by-reaching-super-bowl It's a fair article and in fact should the Bills win, we can put the question to rest forever here. If Josh wins a Super Bowl with the Bills regardless of how Mahomes career pans out then the Bills will not be looked at as a historic blunder. The Houston Rockets aren't looked at as having made a huge mistake drafting Hakeem over Jordan as they got two titles out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 ESPN is trash 🗑. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 The trade ended up being Mahomes for Tre White and Tremaine Edmunds(minus another pick for moving up for Edmunds). Not Mahomes for Allen and White. Josh Allen was selected with the Bills original draft pick after a trade up with Cinci (Cordy Glenn) and then a couple other picks in the trade-up with Tampa that were not related to the Mahomes trade. They didn't need the Mahomes trade to get Allen. In virtually the same amount of regular season games played as Josh Allen(46 to 44), Patrick Mahomes has won a Super Bowl and been a league MVP and is in his 3rd straight AFC championship game. The comparison starts to become a contest if Allen beats Mahomes and then wins a Super Bowl..........which was really all we could have hoped for after Mahomes went off on the league in 2018 and Allen labored as a passer for two seasons. Been saying it since 2018........the Mahomes trade is likely only not a disaster if Allen v Mahomes in championship games becomes a regular thing and the Bills get the better end of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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