Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 The bills and Allen have won 2 this year - and that the following players have fewer than 2 in their careers: Cousins - 104 starts Stafford - 165 starts Watson - 54 starts Prescott - 69 starts Carr - 110 starts I know its a team stat - but at the end of the day, these guys have 2 total wins among them and are among the highest paid players at their position. 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, dneveu said: The bills and Allen have won 2 this year - and that the following players have fewer than 2 in their careers: Cousins - 104 starts Stafford - 165 starts Watson - 54 starts Prescott - 69 starts Carr - 110 starts I know its a team stat - but at the end of the day, these guys have 2 total wins among them and are among the highest paid players at their position. Don't forget to add in Mayfield & Jackson from Allen's draft class who have played in multiple playoff games and have less then two wins. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) Stafford is just amazing to me. How he got trapped into a long term contract with a dead end franchise like the Lions is a head scratcher. He’s gotta be kicking himself! Edited January 19, 2021 by SoCal Deek 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Stafford is just amazing to me. How he got trapped into a long term contract with a dead end franchise like the Lions is a head scratcher. He’s gotta be kicking himself! Well, he didn't exactly get "trapped"...he willingly signed an extension a few years ago. But I get what you're saying - it feels like his talent was wasted in Detroit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Stafford is just amazing to me. How he got trapped into a long term contract with a dead end franchise like the Lions is a head scratcher. He’s gotta be kicking himself! Even more wild is that the entire Lions franchise only has 1(!) single playoff win in the the Superbowl era. Stafford has zero to his name. Most people associate the Lions with ineptitude for good reason, like the Bills and Browns. But at least we had a few runs, Browns have mae an AFC Champ game. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 51 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Stafford is just amazing to me. How he got trapped into a long term contract with a dead end franchise like the Lions is a head scratcher. He’s gotta be kicking himself! When someone deem you as their Franchise QB, there is no exit for you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, dneveu said: The bills and Allen have won 2 this year - and that the following players have fewer than 2 in their careers: Cousins - 104 starts Stafford - 165 starts Watson - 54 starts Prescott - 69 starts Carr - 110 starts I know its a team stat - but at the end of the day, these guys have 2 total wins among them and are among the highest paid players at their position. Their GMs should have "struck while those irons was hot" and "given them more weapons".... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasjute Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Allen is now tied for 2nd all time in franchise playoff wins as a QB (tied with Reich and Kemp). McDermott also tied with Saban for 2nd all time in franchise playoff wins as a coach. Sadly, these lists of playoff wins for the Bills outside of the 90s are very short. Great to see this group finally changing that narrative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Stafford is just amazing to me. How he got trapped into a long term contract with a dead end franchise like the Lions is a head scratcher. He’s gotta be kicking himself! I'm $ure he'$ deva$tated over that contract. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Stafford is just amazing to me. How he got trapped into a long term contract with a dead end franchise like the Lions is a head scratcher. He’s gotta be kicking himself! He bears some responsibility in that mess. The media hypes this dude up all the time. Breakout year for him fantasy wise, blah blah, blah. Everytime I watch him he looks average at best. They've put some talent around him too at receiver. Had Megatron and Golladay is no slouch either. He is what he is at this point. And not this huge wasted talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, ganesh said: When someone deem you as their Franchise QB, there is no exit for you Cousins exited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Wins are not a QB stat 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: Wins are not a QB stat Neither are they in baseball for pitchers, but they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanThru-N-Thru Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Also quit little note Josh has 2 or more playoffs win in 1 season same amount as Drew Brees has. Brees only had 2 or more in their SuperBowl run all therest have either been 1 or done or none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Stafford is just amazing to me. How he got trapped into a long term contract with a dead end franchise like the Lions is a head scratcher. He’s gotta be kicking himself! Totally agree!! Imagine him in San Fran???? Ugh. The Lions have done that guy no justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, jletha said: Even more wild is that the entire Lions franchise only has 1(!) single playoff win in the the Superbowl era. Stafford has zero to his name. Most people associate the Lions with ineptitude for good reason, like the Bills and Browns. But at least we had a few runs, Browns have mae an AFC Champ game. that’s insane. You would think they would have lucked into a few at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Deshaun Watson situation seems crazy to me. Not sure how you accept 38-40M a year and then 5 months later you can't stand to see the team owners face. If it's that bad now, it was then as well. He shouldn't have taken the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, ganesh said: When someone deem you as their Franchise QB, there is no exit for you He is rich (Stafford), but will be a cliff note in NFL history because he was hamstrung by the worst franchise in NFL history. Bummer, but hey, enjoy the wealth! Edited January 19, 2021 by foreboding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Mark Sanchez has more playoff wins. Nick Foles has more playoff wins and is a SB champion. The only thing that matters to me is sustained success. Some of you have this obsession with putting other QBs down just to prop Allen up. Josh’s play will speak for itself. There’s no need for petty stuff like this. Derek Carr isn’t even in the same conversation as Allen so why should I care about the number of playoff wins he has? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 59 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Cousins exited. Washington didn’t few Cousins as franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, ganesh said: When someone deem you as their Franchise QB, there is no exit for you We are gonna see this get testing this off-season. I can see Stafford Ryan and Watson all in new unis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 26 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: We are gonna see this get testing this off-season. I can see Stafford Ryan and Watson all in new unis Sure will be interesting if ALL three move on to new surroundings.....specially Watson...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaLoko Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Stafford is just amazing to me. How he got trapped into a long term contract with a dead end franchise like the Lions is a head scratcher. He’s gotta be kicking himself! either kicking himself or whipping his back with the Millions of Dollars the Fords used to ¨trap¨ him... 😄 Edited January 19, 2021 by BuffaLoko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafioso Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 2 hours ago, chris heff said: Washington didn’t few Cousins as franchise QB. Despite the knocks on Cousins, I really like his story... People forget that Cousins was a 4th round pick (drafted by the same team as RG3) and was a 2 star recruit coming out of high school...he wasn't expected to amount to much (if anything) in the NFL, unlike others on the list in this thread. Michigan State was the only Power 5 school to offer him (at the last minute)...a team that already had Brian Hoyer and Nick Foles on the roster. Cousins ultimately beat out Foles who transferred to Arizona. What he has accomplished in his career despite obvious athletic limitations is amazing. He had to sit behind RG3 for years before finally beating him out...then had to play two years on the Franchise Tag before finally getting the monster deal with Minnesota. Good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 7 hours ago, dneveu said: The bills and Allen have won 2 this year - and that the following players have fewer than 2 in their careers: Cousins - 104 starts Stafford - 165 starts Watson - 54 starts Prescott - 69 starts Carr - 110 starts I know its a team stat - but at the end of the day, these guys have 2 total wins among them and are among the highest paid players at their position. I think it’s another positive stat but like you said, it’s more of a team stat. Blake Bortles also has 2 playoff wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Max Fischer said: Wins are not a QB stat Wins are absolutely a QB Stat. That is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Wins are absolutely a QB Stat. That is a fact. link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 8 hours ago, jletha said: Even more wild is that the entire Lions franchise only has 1(!) single playoff win in the the Superbowl era. Moreover they had arguably the best RB and WR of all-time in Barry Sanders and Megatron. Unbelievable waste of talent ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, prissythecat said: link? ProFootballReference, the Encyclopedia of Football Let's use Josh as an example https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm Under "Passing" look at the special "QBrec" column that only exists for QBs. There is no "WRrec", "RBrec", "TErec", "LBrec", "DBrec", etc. Only a special "QBrec" for QBs There is a reason why they only keep track of Wins and Losses for the QB (and Head Coach, and team) but no other position on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: ProFootballReference, the Encyclopedia of Football Let's use Josh as an example https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJo02.htm Under "Passing" look at the special "QBrec" column that only exists for QBs. There is no "WRrec", "RBrec", "TErec", "LBrec", "DBrec", etc. Only a special "QBrec" for QBs There is a reason why they only keep track of Wins and Losses for the QB (and Head Coach, and team) but no other position on the field. The label of that QBrec column reads as "Team record in games started by this QB (regular season)" Team is the operative word here. To show how flawed your argument is, what happens if say Josh Allen started a game and threw 3 passes that were all incomplete before he got benched for Matt Barkley to rest for the playoffs? Barkley proceeds to handoff the ball say 40 times and the Bills manage to win. Josh Allen would get credit for the win under that QBrec column even though he had zero contribution to the win. Edited January 20, 2021 by prissythecat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 2 hours ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Wins are absolutely a QB Stat. That is a fact. Fact? How so? When did we start judging QBs by team wins and losses? Are there 25 better QBs than Deshaun Watson this year? I mean, they had better records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 hours ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Wins are absolutely a QB Stat. That is a fact. True but Joe Flacco has more playoff victories than Dan Marino so that stat can be slightly misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 8 hours ago, Max Fischer said: Wins are not a QB stat Not really sure where the OP is coming from here. Puts up a small, random list of QBs. Some quite good, some middling, some journeymen, some stuck in bad franchises. Points out Josh Allen has won 2 playoff games to their zero. OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Limeaid said: Cousins exited. The Redskins never thought of him as their Franchise QB...That is why they never signed him to a long term deal 9 hours ago, BillsFanThru-N-Thru said: Also quit little note Josh has 2 or more playoffs win in 1 season same amount as Drew Brees has. Brees only had 2 or more in their SuperBowl run all therest have either been 1 or done or none It is hard to win in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock'em Sock'em Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 4 hours ago, prissythecat said: link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 20 hours ago, chongli said: Neither are they in baseball for pitchers, but they are. Baseball experts and most fans do not use wins to determine a pitcher's value. There are at least 8 or 9 other stats that are far more valuable. Exhibit #1: Jacob DeGrom (I mean, do you need more evidence?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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