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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

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Like as an actual idea it's stupid not going to happen, but I can't disagree with the idea that Chiefs with Mahomes vs. Bills with Allen in decent conditions isn't the game we all deserve after putting up with this ***** year.

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Sure.....  Exactly how it appeared when he got up and almost fell flat on his face.   I expect him to play but that was no pinched nerve....

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You have to hand it to KC.  They've played this one better than the Patriots would have.

 

How do you guarantee that Mahomes can get rushed through the concussion protocol?  By claiming he has a tweaked nerve, never had a concussion, and therefore need not be subject to the rules of the protocol in the first place.

 

It's a great scheme.


The weird part is Mahomes STILL seems to be in the protocol, which I don't fully understand.  This entire story has been horribly reported.

 

I have read that he was placed in the protocol during the game on Sunday b/c he was clearly dizzy, and that symptom alone required him to be placed in the protocol.  OK, that makes sense.  But then why is he still in the protocol  several days later if the official story is he has a nerve issue, but never had a concussion?  And yet he's still in the protocol.  

 

What's the end game here?  He'll play on Sunday.  I'd be shocked if he doesn't.  

 

I also think he clearly DID sustain a concussion and is susceptible to another one in our game on Sunday.

 

 

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1 hour ago, The Jokeman said:

Would the league put him in jeopardy for ratings? Or possibly a major lawsuit from him if he gets even more injured for playing when he shouldn't have? There's a reason they put these protocol in place for both their and the player's protection. Fact is if he doesn't pass them he isn't playing Sunday, simple as that. No player how good they are is above the league as we saw with Brady getting suspended. 

Is this a serious question? Yes. Exactly what has the NFL done to assure you that it has player safety paramount?

The fact that there are games during a global pandemic slightly shades that. They actively fought to suppress concussion research studies. They played defense against paying for retired players healthcare. I could go on. 

 

I may be wrong, but I think you meant that the NFL wouldn’t overtly rubber stamp him to clear him to play. And I agree. They wouldn’t publicly do that. But if they really cared so much, they wouldn’t allow him, or any other concussed player to have to option to play. The concussion protocol is their legal protection and plausible deniability. “It’s not our fault he hurt himself. He completed the protocol, team doctors cleared him, and he WANTED to play.” Thoughts and prayers and no refunds. 

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4 hours ago, benderbender said:

Is this a serious question? Yes. Exactly what has the NFL done to assure you that it has player safety paramount?

The fact that there are games during a global pandemic slightly shades that. They actively fought to suppress concussion research studies. They played defense against paying for retired players healthcare. I could go on. 

 

I may be wrong, but I think you meant that the NFL wouldn’t overtly rubber stamp him to clear him to play. And I agree. They wouldn’t publicly do that. But if they really cared so much, they wouldn’t allow him, or any other concussed player to have to option to play. The concussion protocol is their legal protection and plausible deniability. “It’s not our fault he hurt himself. He completed the protocol, team doctors cleared him, and he WANTED to play.” Thoughts and prayers and no refunds. 

That's why I'd hope that the independent doctor who is supposed to confirm what team's doctors say prevents the NFL from letting this happens, yet am sure some get easy passes because they look the other way but with way Mahomes looked after that hit I'd hope for his sake they don't and to a degree the league's sake. 

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Sorry don’t agree. It would be rather simple to prove negligence with this injury being rushed. Reid as much as said in the past he likely would have gone back in. This nerve issue potentially could be worse than a concussion. I for one hope he plays. But no as money hungry and arrogant at times the NFL is, I can’t buy it. 

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20 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You have to hand it to KC.  They've played this one better than the Patriots would have.

 

How do you guarantee that Mahomes can get rushed through the concussion protocol?  By claiming he has a tweaked nerve, never had a concussion, and therefore need not be subject to the rules of the protocol in the first place.

 

It's a great scheme.


The weird part is Mahomes STILL seems to be in the protocol, which I don't fully understand.  This entire story has been horribly reported.

 

I have read that he was placed in the protocol during the game on Sunday b/c he was clearly dizzy, and that symptom alone required him to be placed in the protocol.  OK, that makes sense.  But then why is he still in the protocol  several days later if the official story is he has a nerve issue, but never had a concussion?  And yet he's still in the protocol.  

 

What's the end game here?  He'll play on Sunday.  I'd be shocked if he doesn't.  

 

I also think he clearly DID sustain a concussion and is susceptible to another one in our game on Sunday.

 

 

 

It's pretty straightforward.  Once in the protocol, you follow the protocol.  The protocol has multiple steps.  Even if he is not believed to have a concussion, they will follow the steps until he is cleared to play.  There's no such thing as "opps, protocol was an accident", that would circumvent the entire point.

 

You go into the protocol in any case where it is deemed likely that a concussion was suffered, even it not diagnosed with a concussion.

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On 1/18/2021 at 12:46 PM, BringBackFergy said:

Alex Smith had a really bad sprain a few years ago. 

Yeah. Just like he did, put some ice on it and get back out there!

 

 

Chiefs can say what they want, it must be outside doctors having the final say... I hope for the players

 

My only exception would be the Superbowl. Wasn't that Elleman that had a concussion and later couldn't even remember the game? Only time it is worth it.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, benderbender said:

Is this a serious question? Yes. Exactly what has the NFL done to assure you that it has player safety paramount?

The fact that there are games during a global pandemic slightly shades that. They actively fought to suppress concussion research studies.

Even a full season where no one had anything bad happening from the "virus" beside from Tim Sweeny (and such heart issues do happen from many viruses) and maybe a few IDK about, you STILL say stuff like that? Sky didn't fall. They were prudent because they had to for many reasons but athletes were not at risk. Playing football is way more dangerous.

 

I think the NFL "cares" now about concussion related issue, because they don't want another lawsuit. Not because they are so benevolent. But stop with the virus already. What more evidence is needed?

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Look at all the attention it has gotten him...by now I'm surprised that people haven't realized that saying stupidly outlandish things that are well beyond insane is what many attention getters who refer to themselves as media do.. How does it hurt him? Your attention is just as good as someone who thinks he said something brilliant with incredible insight. 

 

.. and every time someone has a meltdown at some comment someone made then jumps off the toilet mid-poop to rush to post it to a message board then they have a huge win because that attention is turned into dollars. 

I guess. I don't ever click on his stuff or watch him so I just happened to find out about this non sense on here today. As to how it could hurt him.....well speaking for myself, when reading /hearing or coming across really off the wall ignorant statements like this I would think one would lose some credibility(imo he doesn't have any regardless),or maybe make some ppl no longer be interested.

 

That's just me, but your'e right. It's so many out there that either believe, get a kick out of and like his nonsense, and those that get frustrated with it and that in which gets him clicks/views. But damn, Iv'e accidentally come across quite a few silly/stupid remarks by him but this one here really sticks out.

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1 hour ago, st pete gogolak said:

Does anyone remember Troy Aikman’s mediocre performance against us in Super Bowl XXVIII?  Pretty sure he was concussed in the NFC Championship Game.   No concussion protocols back then.  Point is, even if Mahones plays, concussion could impact his game on Sunday.  Oh sorry, his “pinched nerve.”

You made me look that one up: 19-27, 207 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 77.2 QB rating. So yeah, not great.

But then again, are we sure Jim Kelly didn't take a shot to the head in the conference final?  31-50, 260 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 67.1

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3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

You made me look that one up: 19-27, 207 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 77.2 QB rating. So yeah, not great.

But then again, are we sure Jim Kelly didn't take a shot to the head in the conference final?  31-50, 260 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 67.1

 

Didnt Kelly get concussed pretty famously in SB27?

 

Edit: Looks like it was SB26. Doesnt remember 4th quarter. Even went to the wrong hotel after the game! wow

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/concussed-jim-kelly-went-back-to-wrong-hotel-after-super-bowl-xxvi-210746612.html

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19 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Does anyone have clarity on the actual length of each step?  Are players able to go from step 1 to step 3 in a day or do they have to go through each step per day without any adverse side-effects before they move onto the next step?

 

I have asked the same thing. I think you can go through multiple steps in a day. Which I honestly don't understand. Rule of thumb at the Olympic Training Center for (non head) injuries was always check back 48 hours after adding activity. So say I broke my rib (I did), and feel good enough to add running. The best gauge for soreness was day 2 not the next day. 

So why in hell any player (Josh included) can scramble their eggs and on Sunday, and go through a rest, aerobic work, and balance drills, 3 different steps, in a single day is absolutely wild. It doesn't make any sense. The league is literally helping to kill these guys. It is pretty infuriating. 

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5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

He’s on the 💩 list this week 

 

Mommy speaking up 😆 

Uh oh, I sense another Colin Cowherd Said Something About, Or That Might Affect, The Bills thread coming in 3 ... 2 .... 1 ....

Seriously, I know Cowherd desperately wants people to pay attention to him, but this might be the dumbest take ever. What is the standard for delaying a game to allow an injured player to return? Do we get to delay if Cole Beasley's knee doesn't respond as well as expected?

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32 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Does anyone have clarity on the actual length of each step?  Are players able to go from step 1 to step 3 in a day or do they have to go through each step per day without any adverse side-effects before they move onto the next step?

There is no specific length, as I understand it. He could have gone through all 5 stages already for all we know. We will see what the injury report says tomorrow. 

 

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16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Didnt Kelly get concussed pretty famously in SB27?

 

Edit: Looks like it was SB26. Doesnt remember 4th quarter. Even went to the wrong hotel after the game! wow

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/concussed-jim-kelly-went-back-to-wrong-hotel-after-super-bowl-xxvi-210746612.html

Those final 3 Super Bowls just blur together in my memory. I suppose that's a good thing.

I'll never forget the sting of that first one ...

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10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

There is no specific length, as I understand it. He could have gone through all 5 stages already for all we know. We will see what the injury report says tomorrow. 

 

What a big steps, does he know his name is he on planet earth 🌏 

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Adam Shefter says Mahomes is still in the protocol!  

 

Expected to practice Wednesday.

 

Still has the foot problem too.

 

 

 

 

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54 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Sorry don’t agree. It would be rather simple to prove negligence with this injury being rushed. Reid as much as said in the past he likely would have gone back in. This nerve issue potentially could be worse than a concussion. I for one hope he plays. But no as money hungry and arrogant at times the NFL is, I can’t buy it. 

Foget the NFL.  If you as a medical professional clear someone who should not be what is their personal legal liability?  Could they lose theor license to practice?

 

Would youbtake the risk if your decision?

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Adam Shefter says Mahomes is still in the protocol!  

 

Expected to practice Wednesday.

 

Still has the foot problem too.

 

 

 

 

I didn't think he could practice in the protocol

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Does anyone have clarity on the actual length of each step?  Are players able to go from step 1 to step 3 in a day or do they have to go through each step per day without any adverse side-effects before they move onto the next step?

 

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How long is Patrick Mahomes out?

There is no set timetable for a player's return from the NFL's concussion protocol, at least in terms of number of days. Mahomes' return to practice and game action will depend on how quickly he moves through the five steps of the league's protocol.

According to The Athletic, the median time for the 29 quarterbacks who suffered a concussion between 2015-2019 to return was seven days. But that's just the central length among the sampling of 29, which includes both longer and shorter absences.

It's also important to note that concussion recovery doesn't necessarily follow the same line for each individual. Just because Reid said Sunday that Mahomes was "feeling good," and just because Mahomes tweeted a couple times after the game, doesn't specifically point to how fast he may get back from his concussion.

Mahomes has had one recorded concussion in his college/NFL career, which came in 2014 while he played quarterback for Texas Tech. He didn't return to the game he was injured in, and the Red Raiders had a bye the next week. When Texas Tech played again 14 days after the injury, Mahomes was back.

The process for Mahomes getting through the NFL's concussion protocol starts with a concussion evaluation Monday, the day after the injury. From there, he'll have to pass each of the five steps of protocol and be cleared by both the Chiefs medical staff and an independent neurologist before he can play. 

 

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24 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Didnt Kelly get concussed pretty famously in SB27?

 

Edit: Looks like it was SB26. Doesnt remember 4th quarter. Even went to the wrong hotel after the game! wow

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/concussed-jim-kelly-went-back-to-wrong-hotel-after-super-bowl-xxvi-210746612.html

 

Ol' Jimmy Boy was probably just hammered

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By the looks of it, he could be doing walkthroughs on Thursday (Stage 4), and cleared for full practices on Friday, assuming things keep going the way they are.

 

I think we should be practising on the assumption he will play - even though we might pay lip service to thinking we could face either QB.

 

 

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FWIW a friend of mine was over for a while yesterday and we watched both the Lamar Jackson and Mahome's collisions. He's a doctor who regularly treats concussions. The gist was that both were concussions but Jackson's was the more common where the brain bounces off the occipital and bangs the front of the skull whereas Mahomes was a temporal concussion where the brain shake was side to side. He said Mahomes inability to get up was consistent and that the symptoms for the two different impact injuries are also to some degree unique.

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On 1/18/2021 at 12:52 PM, 4_kidd_4 said:

Highly dubious.

 

But hey, to be THE man, you gotta beat THE man, WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

 

 

While true in professional wrestling, boxing, and MMA, not so much in the NFL. To be the best in the NFL, you need to win a Super Bowl, against whatever team they field against you (injury or otherwise), under whatever circumstances the universe provides (strike year, pandemic, etc).

 

I dont care if they start Mahomes grandma. I hope Hughes ends her career on our way to a Lombardi trophy and won't ever feel bad about it.

 

It all counts as a Super Bowl win, and in a matter of weeks, no one will care or remember the details other than SUPER BOWL CHAMPS.

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"We want Mahomes against Josh Allen, right?" Cowherd said. "That's reasonable. And I'm sitting here this morning thinking, 'If I'm the NFL, Patrick Mahomes is going through protocol. I find the day Patrick Mahomes can play -- and that's when we play.'

 

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