Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, FireChans said: I said it to someone I was actively ribbing on. It must be REALLY hard. It’s no secret you didn’t like Allen back then, and now you are his #1 fan. You were hob knobbing Fromm, stating he was gonna push Allen and thought they should platoon to see who should be the starter! Take your Pom Poms to the back of the Allen train. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: It’s no secret you didn’t like Allen back then, and now you are his #1 fan. You were hob knobbing Fromm, stating he was gonna push Allen and thought they should platoon to see who should be the starter! Take your Pom Poms to the back of the Allen train. Man this is sad lol. I baited a hook 8 months ago and I'm still catching fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 7 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Here is the Ringer Article... https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2021/1/17/22235510/baltimore-ravens-go-bust-buffalo-bills Part of it said Lamar needs the weapons Josh has and he'd be "better" & since Allen did it, of course Lamar can too.(paraphrasing) Yep too lazy to look for others, which is why I posted....😜 I like Lamar as a person, just think he has had too many accolades..... OK, so the article is placing blame for the lack of downfield passing game on the WR rather than on Jackson’s possible limitations as a passer and/or possible limitations of Roman’s offensive system as far as pass design. The author also mistakenly believes that Beane took the Bills 2019 offense, plugged in Stefon Diggs and *poof* Allen became stunningly more accurate throwing to everyone else, without having had to invest a buttload of continuous hard work at improving his passing abilities. I don’t know as I’d call it “excuses” for Lamar so much as mistaken beliefs or premise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 He carried his team to a playoff win. He kept them in it and if the kicker had made his attempts, even after the pick 6 it would have been a one score game. That was his first red-zone INT in his career. Josh hasn't had one yet but he will at some point. He looks limited as a passer to me but that does not mean they can't win. Wilson has gotten better as a passer but that hasn't turned into more playoff wins. It's still a team game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Man this is sad lol. I baited a hook 8 months ago and I'm still catching fish. No, you just need to be reminded every once in a while before you blast other posters for trashing other QBs. Edited January 18, 2021 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 4/25/2020 at 3:31 PM, FireChans said: Jake Fromm is the next Tom Brady. Allen will be traded for a first to the Pats next year. @Kirby Jackson On 4/25/2020 at 3:37 PM, FireChans said: Support our beautiful boy now, or we won’t let you on his bandwagon after he beats Brady in the SuperBowl. On 4/25/2020 at 4:33 PM, FireChans said: I’m sorry Fromm got closer than Fields to winning a CFB chip bro. On 4/25/2020 at 4:37 PM, FireChans said: More chances to throw brutal picks and lose in the CFB playoff? Wonderful. Does Braxton Miller have eligibility left? 4 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: No, you just need to be reminded every once in a while before you blast other posters for trashing other QBs. There are my "super serious" Jake Fromm posts. You got me lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 I take it all back.... This was as said again seeing what happens almost every time the Ravens face a tough team. They are very good, Lamar is a dynamic qb, seems like a good person. He will move the ball, but as soon as they need to put up points to win a game, no one has seen Lamar do it. It was reading the article and not at all questioning Jackson, that to me thought was again making excuses for Lamar. He is a limited QB at this point in his career. Much like I did for Allen year two.....😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 7 hours ago, FireChans said: There are my "super serious" Jake Fromm posts. You got me lol. Trolling Ohio State fans about them loving all their Quarterbacks is fair game to me. Kirbs was one of my favourite posters and I miss him but he loved Cardale, loved Haskins and told me Braxton Miller had pro bowl potential as a receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Trolling Ohio State fans about them loving all their Quarterbacks is fair game to me. Kirbs was one of my favourite posters and I miss him but he loved Cardale, loved Haskins and told me Braxton Miller had pro bowl potential as a receiver. Where is he? Also lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 18 minutes ago, FireChans said: Where is he? Also lol Not been around since October. I am told an issue in a Covid thread might have triggered him to leave but not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Not been around since October. I am told an issue in a Covid thread might have triggered him to leave but not sure. Oh no. we need to put out the bat signal. hey @Kirby Jackson Justin Fields will never be good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Trolling Ohio State fans about them loving all their Quarterbacks is fair game to me. Kirbs was one of my favourite posters and I miss him but he loved Cardale, loved Haskins and told me Braxton Miller had pro bowl potential as a receiver. He was one of my favorite posters, too....I hope we can get him back. Maybe this week I will try and dig out my old Kirby Jackson autographed football. It could serve two purposes: bring the Bills luck and act as a Kirby bat signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Sorry. Jackson just doesn't scare me a bit with his arm. He will make a throw but I've witnessed, entirely too often, some awful passes leave his hand going down field. If not for his running ability he'd be in the every day working world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Beast said: Sorry. Jackson just doesn't scare me a bit with his arm. He will make a throw but I've witnessed, entirely too often, some awful passes leave his hand going down field. If not for his running ability he'd be in the every day working world. No, but add his legs and he is very scary.... What is something else is looking at the Raven's wins. Outside 47-42 over Cleveland & 30-28 vs. Philly, they won by 32,17,14,24,14,17,26,17,14 & 35!!!! Their losses, they never came back...... Same story on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 24 minutes ago, Beast said: Sorry. Jackson just doesn't scare me a bit with his arm. He will make a throw but I've witnessed, entirely too often, some awful passes leave his hand going down field. If not for his running ability he'd be in the every day working world. I agree if he wasn't an elite athlete he is certainly not a starting Quarterback. 2 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: No, but add his legs and he is very scary.... What is something else is looking at the Raven's wins. Outside 47-42 over Cleveland & 30-28 vs. Philly, they won by 32,17,14,24,14,17,26,17,14 & 35!!!! Their losses, they never came back...... Same story on Saturday. Yea the teams who shut it down are confident well coached teams. McDermott and Frazier, Belichick, Spagnuolo, Tomlin and Butler..... these are good respected defensive mines. And it is because their run game beats you mentally as much as it does physically. I actually think (and this is a controversial opinion) that Greg Roman's offenses are finesse offenses masquerading as power offenses. Their run game isn't really about physically dominating you so much as it is about intellectually confusing you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) Lamar got trashed on GMFB, but raise your hand if you’re sick of “The Ravens missed two field goals” without the context of .... “so did Buffalo”. All weekend I kept hearing about how the Ravens could of made it a game if they don’t miss those kicks, as if our guy just routinely misses 40-something yard FG’s. Edited January 18, 2021 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, SCBills said: Lamar got trashed on GMFB, but raise your hand if you’re sick of “The Ravens missed two field goals” without the context of .... “so did Buffalo”. All weekend I kept hearing about how the Ravens could of made it a game if they don’t miss those kicks, as if our guy just routinely misses 40-something yard FG’s. Well the second miss was at 17-3 (and both of theirs did hit the upright).... So let's pretend it is 20-9, still a big gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 9 hours ago, FireChans said: Man this is sad lol. I baited a hook 8 months ago and I'm still catching fish. Whatever ya gotta tell yourself... Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) Yup First Things First switched the narrative to Greg Roman isn’t good enough, Lamar’s weapons aren’t good enough, Mike Vick chiming in about his career almost being ruined because OC’s only wanted to run him. Nick made his usual Josh Allen crack about 10 points total. Then said this game is all about Lamar. On Friday it was nothing but how electric Lamar was. Look at that Titans run. We’ve never seen anyone that fast. Now it’s our OC isn’t good enough and we have no WRs. And maybe Greg Roman knows something. They run a lot because Lamar can’t pass or he’ll throw bad picks like he did in two straight Playoff games? Edited January 18, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I might actually tune in to AM 550 at 3 p.m., to see if one of Jackson's biggest apologists has much to say on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yup First Things First switched the narrative to Greg Roman isn’t good enough, Lamar’s weapons aren’t good enough, Mike Vick chiming in about his career almost being ruined because OC’s only wanted to run him. Nick made his usual Josh Allen crack about 10 points at halftime. Then said this game is all about Lamar. I think there is some merit in complaints about pass protection and weapons.... Greg Roman however is a big part of the reason Lamar was an MVP and continues to win a lot of football games. If they want to fire Roman and try and make Lamar a read the field pocket passer go ahead. It won't end well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yup First Things First switched the narrative to Greg Roman isn’t good enough, Lamar’s weapons aren’t good enough, Mike Vick chiming in about his career almost being ruined because OC’s only wanted to run him. Nick made his usual Josh Allen crack about 10 points total. Then said this game is all about Lamar. On Friday it was nothing but how electric Lamar was. Look at that Titans run. We’ve never seen anyone that fast. Now it’s our OC isn’t good enough and we have no WRs. And maybe Greg Roman knows something. They run a lot because Lamar can’t pass or he’ll throw bad picks like he did in two straight Playoff games? They have a good OL, used a premium draft pick on a RB, have a top tier TE and one of, if not the best, defense in the NFL. They spent a recent 1 on a WR. Marquise Brown looks pretty dang good when he’s thrown the ball. Good OL TE-Mark Andrews RB-JK Dobbins WR-Marquise Brown Could they use a Diggs, Adams, Hopkins etc., sure, but those guys don’t grow on trees. Those WR’s QBs also play a part in how great they are.. Diggs wasn’t able to show how great he is with Cousins. Edited January 18, 2021 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On Get Up! They pretty much said it's not Lamars fault for the passing game, it's an organizational issue. I like Lamar, I just hate how the media treats him. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, Southern_Bills said: On Get Up! They pretty much said it's not Lamars fault for the passing game, it's an organizational issue. I like Lamar, I just hate how the media treats him. This x 100 I like Lamar as a person, and he’s fun to watch. I just hate how the media treats him. I think you have to ask if he’s the NFL’s Russell Westbrook.. a great player that you can’t win with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think there is some merit in complaints about pass protection and weapons.... Greg Roman however is a big part of the reason Lamar was an MVP and continues to win a lot of football games. If they want to fire Roman and try and make Lamar a read the field pocket passer go ahead. It won't end well. None of that was being said on Friday. It was nothing but Lamar is electric, can’t be contained, he got that stigma off his back and now can start obliterating teams in the Playoffs, the Ravens want their crack at the Chiefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: None of that was being said on Friday. It was nothing but Lamar is electric, can’t be contained, he got that stigma off his back and now can start obliterating teams in the Playoffs, the Ravens want their crack at the Chiefs. Yea I suggest you start looking in better places for your analysis then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 16 hours ago, FireChans said: Smoke had the highest YPC of his career (a gross 17 yards) in 2018 as the #2 option. Had Flacco for the first 9 games and Jackson for the last 7 games, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowJo02/gamelog/2018/#stats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 It's Tryod Taylor all over again. If you can contain him in the pocket, the wheels come off. Greg Roman builds the offense around the talents of the QB. They are a run first team because that is the talent of his QB. Running. Just give it a couple more years, the media won't even remember who Lamar Jackson was. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I suggest you start looking in better places for your analysis then. Whatever man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Allen is bad - full blame. Lamar is bad - blame everyone else. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Lamar is a terrible QB , if he wasnt they would have designed a passing game around him not a running attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 All the way down the field before every play I kept saying please throw a pick. Then he stared down Andrews and I got my wish and then some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) Mike Greenberg; "The difference between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson is Stefon Diggs" I'm not here to throw stones at Greeny, he's one of my favorite ESPN hosts. Dan Orvlovsky, Ryan Clark, and Rex Ryan were on the segment this morning too and all of them agreed with that sentiment. I think Rex will say anything to get some attention but I respect Orvlovsky's and Ryan Clark's football knowledge. Throwing those qualifiers out there, I think the take that Jackson would be throwing the ball like Allen this year if he had Diggs is crazy. Putting Diggs on any team in the NFL, no matter who the QB is, will instantly improve their passing game. I think that's a given. Diggs is unquestionably a top 3 WR in the NFL. I think that Josh's game has improved with Diggs on the team and having Diggs on the field creates a ripple effect where now the defense's #2 DB is on John Brown, and it's harder to focus on Beasley in the slot and he can kill you over the middle and move the sticks. That's 100% true, Diggs does all that for a team. But Diggs is not responsible for the incredible leap in accuracy that Josh Allen has made over the last three years. Show me the highlights of all the circus catches that Diggs has made this year because Allen threw a bad ball and Diggs bailed him out.... maybe one or two all season long? Diggs is almost impossible to cover and gets open on every play, but Josh is just as good at putting the ball on the money, on time, and where only Diggs can get it. Does Diggs help Allen adjust protection schemes presnap? Does Diggs help Allen change out of plays at the line of scrimmage to take advantage of what the defense is showing him? Did Diggs get Allen to stop playing Hero Ball and stop making crucial turnovers in key moments? Is Diggs responsible for Allen's improved pocket awareness and the way he just shifts around the pocket when the pass rush is on allowing him to make his amazing off schedule plays? Is Diggs the reason Allen spent all off season during a pandemic working with a private QB coach completely revamping his throwing motion? Admittedly, I don't know what Lamar Jackson does during his off season, but as a pretty locked in NFL fan I haven't heard about him doing anything similar to what Josh does during the off season. When Lamar and Josh came into the NFL they were both incredible athletes who could run the ball and were iffy in the pass game. I would even say that Lamar was a better passer than Josh year one. Since that time what has happened? Both Lamar and Josh are still fantastic running QBs, but now Josh has worked his tail off to become an elite passer. He hasn't just gotten better, he has become elite as a passer. The numbers bear that out. Allen had the highest pocket completion percentage in the entire NFL this season and he seems even more dangerous when he is out of the pocket throwing the ball. The simple truth of the matter is that Allen has evolved each year as a passer and Lamar has not. It's intellectually lazy to look at Josh's progression and say that Diggs is the only reason Josh is a better overall QB than Lamar, or that Lamar would throw the ball like Josh if only he had a true #1 WR. I like Greeney, RC, and Orvlovsly, but I think they got caught giving a "hot take" on the fly without really taking the time to think about it first. Josh Allen is a better passing QB than Lamar Jackson and its not because of Stefon Diggs. Edited January 18, 2021 by Inigo Montoya 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I don’t think either of them care they both had career years and it’s because they both elevated each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MJS Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 What about the rocket arm? Allen has one. Jackson does not. Jackson needs a full windup to get it anywhere over 7 yards. Allen can flick his wrist while having guys on him or falling down and get the ball all over the place. I'd say that's a big difference. And there are many others. What they are really saying is that Jackson would benefit from having one of the best receivers in the league. Well duh. What QB wouldn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, MJS said: What about the rocket arm? Allen has one. Jackson does not. Jackson needs a full windup to get it anywhere over 7 yards. Allen can flick his wrist while having guys on him or falling down and get the ball all over the place. I'd say that's a big difference. And there are many others. What they are really saying is that Jackson would benefit from having one of the best receivers in the league. Well duh. What QB wouldn't? Hey MJS, You're right, I didn't even mention the arm talent that Josh has that Lamar doesn't. 😃 I would take issue with your last line though. Their position was that Lamar would be be as good of a passing QB as Josh if he had a #1 WR like Diggs on the roster. I don't think that is a position that they can possible defend. 🍻 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 18 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Hollywood Brown: 1st round pick. He was supposed to be bigger and better this year. Mark Andrews: 3rd round pick. Pro Bowler Miles Boykin: 3rd round pick Devin Duvernay: 3rd round pick JK Dobbins: 2nd round pick how many weapons does a QB need? Watched Rex Ryan this morning and he made a great point. Hollywood is a good WR but not a #1. Lamar isn't the most accurate QB and needs a big bodied WR with wing span and contested catch ability. Andrews is good but to me is a safety valve not a primary option. Also, you don't need a top tier RB when your primary rusher is your QB. A game plan that has obviously run its course at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: Mike Greenberg; "The difference between Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson is Stefon Diggs" I'm not here to throw stones at Greeny, he's one of my favorite ESPN hosts. Dan Orvlovsky, Ryan Clark, and Rex Ryan were on the segment this morning too and all of them agreed with that sentiment. I think Rex will say anything to get some attention but I respect Orvlovsky's and Ryan Clark's football knowledge. Throwing those qualifiers out there, I think the take that Jackson would be throwing the ball like Allen this year if he had Diggs is crazy. Putting Diggs on any team in the NFL, no matter who the QB is, will instantly improve their passing game. I think that's a given. Diggs is unquestionably a top 3 WR in the NFL. I think that Josh's game has improved with Diggs on the team and having Diggs on the field creates a ripple effect where now the defense's #2 DB is on John Brown, and it's harder to focus on Beasley in the slot and he can kill you over the middle and move the sticks. That's 100% true, Diggs does all that for a team. But Diggs is not responsible for the incredible leap in accuracy that Josh Allen has made over the last three years. Show me the highlights of all the circus catches that Diggs has made this year because Allen threw a bad ball and Diggs bailed him out.... maybe one or two all season long? Diggs is almost impossible to cover and gets open on every play, but Josh is just as good at putting the ball on the money, on time, and where only Diggs can get it. Does Diggs help Allen adjust protection schemes presnap? Does Diggs help Allen change out of plays at the line of scrimmage to take advantage of what the defense is showing him? Did Diggs get Allen to stop playing Hero Ball and stop making crucial turnovers in key moments? Is Diggs responsible for Allen's improved pocket awareness and the way he just shifts around the pocket when the pass rush is on allowing him to make his amazing off schedule plays? Is Diggs the reason Allen spent all off season during a pandemic working with a private QB coach completely revamping his throwing motion? Admittedly, I don't know what Lamar Jackson does during his off season, but as a pretty locked in NFL fan I haven't heard about him doing anything similar to what Josh does during the off season. When Lamar and Josh came into the NFL they were both incredible athletes who could run the ball and were iffy in the pass game. I would even say that Lamar was a better passer than Josh year one. Since that time what has happened? Both Lamar and Josh are still fantastic running QBs, but now Josh has worked his tail off to become an elite passer. He hasn't just gotten better, he has become elite as a passer. The numbers bear that out. Allen had the highest pocket completion percentage in the entire NFL this season and he seems even more dangerous when he is out of the pocket throwing the ball. The simple truth of the matter is that Allen has evolved each year as a passer and Lamar has not. It's intellectually lazy to look at Josh's progression and say that Diggs is the only reason Josh is a better overall QB than Lamar, or that Lamar would throw the ball like Josh if only he had a true #1 WR. I like Greeney, RC, and Orvlovsly, but I think they got caught giving a "hot take" on the fly without really taking the time to think about it first. Josh Allen is a better passing QB than Lamar Jackson and its not because of Stefon Diggs. Greeny would too I bet you take Lamar over Allen. He's been slow in acknowledging Allen and this is his narrative. Surprise, goes right to the title of this thread & what I expect to hear...... You are too 100% correct that Diggs made all the catches he should (though he did have 5 drops) and also some difficult catches, but "wow" ones I don't remember. Put a reel of Lamar's great throws (and not those the result of busted coverage after incredible escapism in the pocket) and it will be a short one. Allen on the other hand. Just the two to Davis on the run along the sideline last week, still are hard to truly appreciate. Edited January 18, 2021 by Billsfan1972 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: I'm not here to throw stones at Greeny, he's one of my favorite ESPN hosts. Dan Orvlovsky, Ryan Clark, and Rex Ryan were on the segment this morning too and all of them agreed with that sentiment. I think Rex will say anything to get some attention but I respect Orvlovsky's and Ryan Clark's football knowledge. Throwing those qualifiers out there, I think the take that Jackson would be throwing the ball like Allen this year if he had Diggs is crazy. Putting Diggs on any team in the NFL, no matter who the QB is, will instantly improve their passing game. I think that's a given. Diggs is unquestionably a top 3 WR in the NFL. I think that Josh's game has improved with Diggs on the team and having Diggs on the field creates a ripple effect where now the defense's #2 DB is on John Brown, and it's harder to focus on Beasley in the slot and he can kill you over the middle and move the sticks. That's 100% true, Diggs does all that for a team. But Diggs is not responsible for the incredible leap in accuracy that Josh Allen has made over the last three years. Show me the highlights of all the circus catches that Diggs has made this year because Allen threw a bad ball and Diggs bailed him out.... maybe one or two all season long? Diggs is almost impossible to cover and gets open on every play, but Josh is just as good at putting the ball on the money, on time, and where only Diggs can get it. Does Diggs help Allen adjust protection schemes presnap? Does Diggs help Allen change out of plays at the line of scrimmage to take advantage of what the defense is showing him? Did Diggs get Allen to stop playing Hero Ball and stop making crucial turnovers in key moments? Is Diggs responsible for Allen's improved pocket awareness and the way he just shifts around the pocket when the pass rush is on allowing him to make his amazing off schedule plays? Is Diggs the reason Allen spent all off season during a pandemic working with a private QB coach completely revamping his throwing motion? Admittedly, I don't know what Lamar Jackson does during his off season, but as a pretty locked in NFL fan I haven't heard about him doing anything similar to what Josh does during the off season. When Lamar and Josh came into the NFL they were both incredible athletes who could run the ball and were iffy in the pass game. I would even say that Lamar was a better passer than Josh year one. Since that time what has happened? Both Lamar and Josh are still fantastic running QBs, but now Josh has worked his tail off to become an elite passer. He hasn't just gotten better, he has become elite as a passer. The numbers bear that out. Allen had the highest pocket completion percentage in the entire NFL this season and he seems even more dangerous when he is out of the pocket throwing the ball. The simple truth of the matter is that Allen has evolved each year as a passer and Lamar has not. It's intellectually lazy to look at Josh's progression and say that Diggs is the only reason Josh is a better overall QB than Lamar, or that Lamar would throw the ball like Josh if only he had a true #1 WR. I like Greeney, RC, and Orvlovsly, but I think they got caught giving a "hot take" on the fly without really taking the time to think about it first. Josh Allen is a better passing QB than Lamar Jackson and its not because of Stefon Diggs. At this point, I really don't care what the fools in the media say. As the year has progressed, Josh Allen has continued to make his critics look stupid. Most have been forced to admit they were wrong about him, but there are still a few holdouts. Some are just trying to get a rise out of Bills fans and should be ignored. Some are just lazy, never watch film and want to credit all of his success to Brian Daboll or Stephon Diggs. I say that we just go out and win some Super Bowls, and check back in with them when Allen's getting his yellow jacket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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