Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 56 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Actually this one gets interesting. Could mean Wentz stays. Also this could be our new offensive coordinator. This is Wentz contract (click to embiggen) Parting from Wentz next season would cost the Eagles $60M in cap. His $15M salary becomes fully guaranteed March 15th. Who is going to trade for a benched QB who is due $15M in salary, $22-20M in subsequent years? Fundamentally, the Eagles "best way out" is to try to hire a QB whisperer who can salvage something out of Wentz. It's clear there was no going back for Pederson and Wentz. I do not want Pederson as our new OC. Brett Kollman does an interesting job of breaking down how yes, a lot of it is Carson Wentz, but play calling and design has something to do with how badly it all went in Philly, not to mention lack of coaching/accountability for Wentz. Benny445: "As an Eagles fan: Do I REALLY want to watch this? Yes. Yes I do." Brett Kollmann: "Just make sure you do it with a drink in hand" Brett Kollman: "I'll be honest, I've watched every single Eagles game this season over the last week and a half..." William Young: "Cruel torture that explains the deep dark circles under the eyes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is Wentz contract (click to embiggen) Parting from Wentz next season would cost the Eagles $60M in cap. His $15M salary becomes fully guaranteed March 15th. Who is going to trade for a benched QB who is due $15M in salary, $22-20M in subsequent years? Fundamentally, the Eagles "best way out" is to try to hire a QB whisperer who can salvage something out of Wentz. It's clear there was no going back for Pederson and Wentz. Trade and restructuring of contracts has happened before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is Wentz contract (click to embiggen) Parting from Wentz next season would cost the Eagles $60M in cap. His $15M salary becomes fully guaranteed March 15th. Who is going to trade for a benched QB who is due $15M in salary, $22-20M in subsequent years? Fundamentally, the Eagles "best way out" is to try to hire a QB whisperer who can salvage something out of Wentz. It's clear there was no going back for Pederson and Wentz. Yep, probably one of the main reasons Pederson was fired, although I don't think Wentz is salvageable. Edited January 11, 2021 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 59 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Man, that's nuts. Won the SB three years ago. Covid season. Just wow. Pederson just went to the top of the heap for coaches. Jets become instant contenders hiring this dude. Again, just....wow. Shirley you can’t be serious about the Jets being contenders. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Shirley you can’t be serious about the Jets being contenders. Asked and answered, counselor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 34 minutes ago, Nick the Greek said: He has a ring at Bradys expense so good for him. also, who cares about the last game of the season. He mailed it in, which a lot of teams do. it was hilarious seeing the 6-10 Giants whine about missing the playoffs because Philly didn’t play hard enough. You were six and friggin ten!!! “Highly unprofessional” is not a trait most seek when hiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Losing Frank Reich was a big blow to the Eagles. In my opinion, there would be no Lombardy in Philly if Reich didn't spend so much time getting Nick Foles ready for the SB. Reich the key 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said: Man, that's nuts. Won the SB three years ago. Covid season. Just wow. Pederson just went to the top of the heap for coaches. Jets become instant contenders hiring this dude. Again, just....wow. He is garbage. Keeps his head stuck in his play sheet all game, and has no idea what's really going on in the game. Should have been fined and suspended by the league after the nonsense he pulled at the end of the Eagles-Redskins game. I can not imagine any team will want any part of him. Good for the Eagles getting rid of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 42 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is Wentz contract (click to embiggen) Parting from Wentz next season would cost the Eagles $60M in cap. His $15M salary becomes fully guaranteed March 15th. Who is going to trade for a benched QB who is due $15M in salary, $22-20M in subsequent years? Fundamentally, the Eagles "best way out" is to try to hire a QB whisperer who can salvage something out of Wentz. It's clear there was no going back for Pederson and Wentz. I do not want Pederson as our new OC. Brett Kollman does an interesting job of breaking down how yes, a lot of it is Carson Wentz, but play calling and design has something to do with how badly it all went in Philly, not to mention lack of coaching/accountability for Wentz. Benny445: "As an Eagles fan: Do I REALLY want to watch this? Yes. Yes I do." Brett Kollmann: "Just make sure you do it with a drink in hand" Brett Kollman: "I'll be honest, I've watched every single Eagles game this season over the last week and a half..." William Young: "Cruel torture that explains the deep dark circles under the eyes." A different perspective: https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philadelphia-eagles-doug-pederson-jeffrey-lurie-20210111.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 35 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: “Highly unprofessional” is not a trait most seek when hiring. Hello dere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 The Doug Pederson hate runs deep at TBD.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: The Doug Pederson hate runs deep at TBD.... I actually rather like him? But I believe the film room reviews that perhaps the play calling had something to do with the Wentz situation 8 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: A different perspective: https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philadelphia-eagles-doug-pederson-jeffrey-lurie-20210111.html Funny how Lurie and Roseman were geniuses 3-4 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I actually rather like him? But I believe the film room reviews that perhaps the play calling had something to do with the Wentz situation Read the article @dave mcbride posted, quite a different view on the Pederson firing. 10 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Hello dere. That's HEDley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said: Read the article @dave mcbride posted, quite a different view on the Pederson firing. I did and gave my viewpoint: Lurie and Roseman were geniuses 3 seasons ago. Well, Pederson was too, to be fair. But I have no clue what went on behind the scenes. I can speak to what I see, or what rings true to me as assessments of play calling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Every coach had a bad year. But not every HC won SB. He’ll find job rather quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: The Doug Pederson hate runs deep at TBD.... He beat Tommy and Hoodie. He’s a god to me 😂 1 minute ago, Artem Lipatov said: Every coach had a bad year. But not every HC won SB. He’ll find job rather quickly Spot on. OL was decimated. Don’t like the last game fiasco but he has a solid resume. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Another HC opening Daboll/Hurts connection? Not surprising with the way the end of the season went down and the QB garbage in the last game. I thought this was where the Jets wanted to go if they got rid of Gase. I even thought that they may hold onto Gase one more season to line it up with Pederson, but this is 1A in my mind for the Jets. Look for Bienemy (Reid disciple) to get the Philly Job. They loved and miss Andy there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: My hot take on that week 17 fiasco: Pederson obviously is secure in his job or he wouldn’t be doing this New hot take: Pederson obviously wanted out and was asking to be fired I will have a lot more respect for Pederson’s intellectual acuity if this is found to be the case. The Iggles are going to be a tire fire for at least a couple seasons. He had two seasons left on his contract and he’ll probably get paid to sit on a beach for those two seasons rather than go through the horror of coaching a team that’s trying to avoid 0-16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: The Iggles are going to be a tire fire for at least a couple seasons. Gotta be the green uniforms...🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 48 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: The Doug Pederson hate runs deep at TBD.... For good reasons, my man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Pederson didn't win that Eagles Super Bowl. That was Frank Reich's team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: well, if he was forced to put in Sudfeld by the higher ups, then my opinion of him would change drastically. I think it had more to do with Jalen Hurts. I don’t think he wanted to bench Wentz and I don’t think he felt Hurts was the answer. I believe he was told to finally get Hurts some playing time and then he was ticked Hurts looked ok - He decided to play his guy Sudfield as a get back as soon as Hurts struggled. I think Hurts was thrust on him and it ticked him off enough that he pulled the stunt the last game. Edited January 11, 2021 by Rochesterfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I knew this was coming after that final game against Washington. The Eagles are going back into purgatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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QLBillsFan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: Pederson didn't win that Eagles Super Bowl. That was Frank Reich's team. He was the head coach. Frank admirably ran the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I think he completely lost the locker room after what he pulled in week 17. I think had he just had a regular bad season and they won 4 games and 1 tie they would have brought him back. He had made the playoffs every year from 2017 to 2019. He won the Super Bowl in 2017 and the Eagles won a playoff game in 2018 too. But that week 17 ***** probably really pissed off the players and they aren't going to be able to fully overhaul a roster with a lot of high paid players and an owner looking to compete. I expect Pederson to go to the Jets which wouldn't be the worst move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 So here's all the open HC jobs: Detroit Atlanta Philadelphia Jacksonville NY Jets LA Chargers Houston Here are the hottest coaching names (in no order): Brian Daboll Eric Bieniemy Robert Saleh Byron Leftwich Arthur Smith Matt Eberflus Greg Roman And the B list of guys that may be tied to a specific opening: Raheem Morris (Atlanta) Urban Meyer (Jacksonville) Marvin Lewis Now add Pederson to the mix per the ESPN "Matchmaker" game, the best matches by team: Detroit - Saleh and Lewis B+ lead the way Atlanta - Morris an A Philadelphia - Saleh and Eberflus B- Jacksonville - Leftwich an A, Lewis and Smith A- NY Jets - Saleh, Leftwich are a B though a lot of chatter for Pederson now LA Chargers - Daboll, Smith, Bieniemy are As with Leftwich slightly behind A- Houston- Bieniemy, Leftwich are As So if you give the job to the best fit: Atlanta - Morris NY Jets - Pederson? Jacksonville - Leftwich Houston - Bieniemy Detroit - Saleh Philadelphia - Eberflus? Which leaves the Chargers for either Smith or Daboll. The point here is that probability of Daboll leaving may not be that high, and may be only the Jets and Chargers. It seems like Leftwich, Bieniemy, Saleh and Pederson would fill 4 of the 7, and if Morris gets Atlanta that only leaves 2. If Meyer takes Jacksonville, then it's down to 1 and you've got a lot of guys gunning for either the Chargers or Eagles job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I actually rather like him? But I believe the film room reviews that perhaps the play calling had something to do with the Wentz situation Funny how Lurie and Roseman were geniuses 3-4 years ago Well, it is Philly media! (Although to be fair the baying critics are in every city.) Still, it sounds like a toxic relationship, and at the end of the day Peterson got them to the playoffs three times and won a Super Bowl in a 3-year period. Their problem has been abysmal drafting and talent acquisition, and that's not his area. 33 minutes ago, jwhit34 said: Which leaves the Chargers for either Smith or Daboll. The point here is that probability of Daboll leaving may not be that high, and may be only the Jets and Chargers. It seems like Leftwich, Bieniemy, Saleh and Pederson would fill 4 of the 7, and if Morris gets Atlanta that only leaves 2. If Meyer takes Jacksonville, then it's down to 1 and you've got a lot of guys gunning for either the Chargers or Eagles job. In my opinion, the Chargers job is by far and away the most appealing one. You have three years of an elite young qb on a rookie contract and an excellent overall talent base. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said: He is garbage. Keeps his head stuck in his play sheet all game, and has no idea what's really going on in the game. Should have been fined and suspended by the league after the nonsense he pulled at the end of the Eagles-Redskins game. I can not imagine any team will want any part of him. Good for the Eagles getting rid of him. I was thinking the only reason he pulled that stunt during the final game was because they told him he’s safe another year. Given he wasn’t safe, I truly don’t know what he was doing. Unless he just really had a grudge against the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2zipper Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I think Philadelphia's ownership is largely correct here and that Philadelphia does not really have a vision. And look to me like Peterson was managing that like a fan instead of trying to put something stable together and it just didn't work. Hurts to me didn't look much better than Wentz outside of his athleticism. That being said I think Peterson is an excellent fit for the Chargers job just because quarterback with the physical skills of Herbert fits with the game that he likes to play and because the vision for the Chargers is already there. I also think that particular job is in need of somebody with experience in order to manage game day. They just fired Anthony Lynn because they didn't like his decision making under fire and bringing in somebody who's never been a head coach before runs the risk of doing the same thing. Seeing all the names also makes me wonder which one of these candidates is not getting a job, especially considering that a lot of the college coaches haven't actually been talked about as candidates for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I was thinking the only reason he pulled that stunt during the final game was because they told him he’s safe another year. Given he wasn’t safe, I truly don’t know what he was doing. Unless he just really had a grudge against the Giants. I still think it was a big thumb your nose at management that forced him to bench Wentz and play Hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2zipper Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I still think it was a big thumb your nose at management that forced him to bench Wentz and play Hurts. I think he was just playing the draft order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 (edited) Might have already been asked here, I didn't search through all the pages. What do you guys think the chances are that if Daboll goes, McD reaches in the Andy Reid coaching tree bag and tries to get Pederson here (assuming he doesn't get a HC gig)? 2 minutes ago, delirious said: Might have already been asked here, I didn't search through all the pages. What do you guys think the chances are that if Daboll goes, McD reaches in the Andy Reid coaching tree bag and tries to get Pederson here (assuming he doesn't get a HC gig)? Edited January 12, 2021 by delirious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Actually this one gets interesting. Could mean Wentz stays. Also this could be our new offensive coordinator. No thanks, after Reich left Pederson wrecked Wentz. My hope Dorsey is the next Dabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Shirley you can’t be serious about the Jets being contenders. I think he was serious, and.....please don't call him Shirley.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 hours ago, billsfan89 said: I think he completely lost the locker room after what he pulled in week 17. I think had he just had a regular bad season and they won 4 games and 1 tie they would have brought him back. He had made the playoffs every year from 2017 to 2019. He won the Super Bowl in 2017 and the Eagles won a playoff game in 2018 too. But that week 17 ***** probably really pissed off the players and they aren't going to be able to fully overhaul a roster with a lot of high paid players and an owner looking to compete. I expect Pederson to go to the Jets which wouldn't be the worst move. This is what I suspect. At first, I was fine with the move and even argued in favor of being 'smart. Seeing some player reactions boil to the top changed my mind 180 degrees. He blew all the trust from the players. These guys who have a window of about 5 years of earning potential before they get too much brain damage to play were purposefully undermined by the same guy who asks them to give their all every week. I'm sure there has been a bunch of behind the scenes grievances aired in the past week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: This is what I suspect. At first, I was fine with the move and even argued in favor of being 'smart. Seeing some player reactions boil to the top changed my mind 180 degrees. He blew all the trust from the players. These guys who have a window of about 5 years of earning potential before they get too much brain damage to play were purposefully undermined by the same guy who asks them to give their all every week. I'm sure there has been a bunch of behind the scenes grievances aired in the past week. It tested the limits of what you can do to benefit yourself draft stock wise. You can't purposefully bag a game and keep your locker room. You can sits guys who are hurt and even sit a few vets to get the younger guys some snaps. But you can't bench your second round QB for a non-factor QB with the game on the line all for 3 spots in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 hours ago, QLBillsFan said: He was the head coach. Frank admirably ran the offense. Lets all remember that Philly D under Schwartz had a lot to do with that Super Bowl win too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said: Pederson didn't win that Eagles Super Bowl. That was Frank Reich's team. I've been thinking the same thing for awhile. If Reich gets a young mobile QB - look out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 hours ago, nucci said: why? answer is easy.. to entice him here... he's HC material not OC material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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