Warcodered Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, njbuff said: This thread feels like the Clowney threads. 😁 I mean the Bills have shown actual interest in Stills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 17 minutes ago, TroutDog said: That’s because we are old! 😃 My 2021 resolution is to not be old. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 If you are a competent NFL receiver Josh will find you often. Don’t understand the questioning of having Stills in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moulds 808080 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Great signing Buffalo!!!! If he did indeed sign!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Trying to picture a 5 wide set. Diggs, Beas, smoke, Davis, Stills. Is that possible?? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 52 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It’s not a knock. I’ve just been pointing out repeatedly that this offense has gone on a year without him, and with him, his role from one of his two years as a 1000 yard WR is reduced. These are simple facts. The flaw here is thinking that the passing game without Brown was as good as it's going to get. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Trying to picture a 5 wide set. Diggs, Beas, smoke, Davis, Stills. Is that possible?? Sure. Empty backfield and no TE. 5 wr sets are run all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 51 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: It hasn’t been a full year, the guy is quite productive with us, 1000 plus yards last season, unfortunate injuries this year, has the receivers group stepped up in his absence? Yes, will he be an integral part of the offense now that he is back? Yes, just his being on the field opens up the pass and run games, what’s to not like about John Brown? Go Bills!!! 49 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: John Brown makes Bills better. Beasley makes Bills better. Together they make Bills better. More talent equal more options and more team production. it’s great to feel that way, no doubt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 57 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He only got 1000 yards last year because he was the #1 option. Not this year. Without him, Diggs has gone buck wild, plus Beasley had career year and Davis was a huge pickup. Only so many slices of the pie to toss to Brown.,, Do you think Gabe Davis would have caught 1,100 yards worth of passes this year if he had been the #1 option? If not (and you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would believe that), then inserting Brown back in the starting lineup becomes obvious. 54 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It’s not a knock. I’ve just been pointing out repeatedly that this offense has gone on a year without him, and with him, his role from one of his two years as a 1000 yard WR is reduced. These are simple facts. Yeah, the idea was that you take that 1,100 yard #1 receiver and now make him the #2 guy, add a stud as your #1, and along with the excellent 3rd slot WR, have a potent offense. And since you added a stud #1 WR, the former #1 and now #2 WR's numbers will obviously go down. The "fact" that the offense has done well without Brown doesn't mean it can't improve with him back. And in the playoffs, you want good veterans playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kenny-stills-to-sign-with-bills-in-time-for-playoffs-adding-another-playmaker-for-josh-allen-per-report/?fbclid=IwAR1znOOSeYwGMPMlaVF3aijrtxxS9xUfCXudaKR1amu3MLqVd484R4t6eH8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: Sure. Empty backfield and no TE. 5 wr sets are run all the time. I hope we don't see much, if any, 5 wide. That just congests the passing lanes and then you end up playing dink and dunk passing game. 11 personnel (1 RB, 1TE with 3 WR) really creates ideal time and space for big plays in the passing game. In most sports.......having veterans in the playoffs is a big advantage and if Stills gets WR snaps I expect it will be at the expense of Gabe Davis. Gabe has been a dynamic rookie........a bunch of TD's, great separation numbers, big ypc............but he's also made some dynamically negative plays.......a dropped TD, several poorly played deep balls, a couple very untimely, drive-killing missed blocks and mid-field drops. He's done a lot of positive stuff but they might not be able to overcome him making a couple inexperienced gaffe's in a shootout playoff game. Edited January 2, 2021 by BADOLBILZ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Only report is from Texans beat writer... Any word from any local guy? Any word from any national news breaker? I know Shefter announced we would be moving towards a signing but nothing yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: He only got 1000 yards last year because he was the #1 option. Not this year. Without him, Diggs has gone buck wild, plus Beasley had career year and Davis was a huge pickup. Only so many slices of the pie to toss to Brown.,, So what exactly are you trying to say though? John Brown is a damn good receiver and is obviously capable of getting 1000 yard seasons. The team is better with him than without. Edited January 2, 2021 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I hope we don't see much, if any, 5 wide. That just congests the passing lanes and then you end up playing dink and dunk passing game. 11 personnel (1 RB, 1TE with 3 WR) really creates ideal time and space for big plays in the passing game. In most sports.......having veterans in the playoffs is a big advantage and if Stills gets WR snaps I expect it will be at the expense of Gabe Davis. Gabe has been a dynamic rookie........a bunch of TD's, great separation numbers, big ypc............but he's also made some dynamically negative plays.......a dropped TD, several poorly played deep balls, a couple very untimely, drive-killing missed blocks and mid-field drops. He's done a lot of positive stuff but they might not be able to overcome him making a couple inexperienced gaffe's in a shootout playoff game. I didn't think about the passing lanes. Was thinking of the speed from Smoke and Stills, routes by Beas and Diggs and then add in Gabe.... A nightmare for a defense to cover.. Thanks is for this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 If Beas misses a playoff game I can’t imagine Stills stepping in and running his routes after a week of practice. I can see McKenzie running a lot of Beasley’s routes and Stills running a lot of the misdirection and some of the motion McKenzie does. I imagine Josh would be more familiar and confident in McKenzie on third downs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 57 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/kenny-stills-to-sign-with-bills-in-time-for-playoffs-adding-another-playmaker-for-josh-allen-per-report/?fbclid=IwAR1znOOSeYwGMPMlaVF3aijrtxxS9xUfCXudaKR1amu3MLqVd484R4t6eH8 They're all just lazily referencing that original Aaron Wilson tweet that was linked above. So either Aaron Wilson knows something, or he doesn't, but there's nothing new here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Sounds like a “barring any unforeseen circumstances, Stiils will be a Bill next week...” kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Doc said: Do you think Gabe Davis would have caught 1,100 yards worth of passes this year if he had been the #1 option? If not (and you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would believe that), then inserting Brown back in the starting lineup becomes obvious. Yeah, the idea was that you take that 1,100 yard #1 receiver and now make him the #2 guy, add a stud as your #1, and along with the excellent 3rd slot WR, have a potent offense. And since you added a stud #1 WR, the former #1 and now #2 WR's numbers will obviously go down. The "fact" that the offense has done well without Brown doesn't mean it can't improve with him back. And in the playoffs, you want good veterans playing. If Davis had 115 targets, he would have had 989m yards--71 fewer than 7 year veteran Brown had last year. Brown has never been the Bills #2. Beasley is that guy. Inserting Brown back in the lineup has nothing to do with what might have happened if Davis was the #1 option. That doesn't even make sense. If he missed no games, Brown was not "on pace" to get 1000 yards. Look, Brown is house money--not necessary, possibly a benefit (only if he's in top shape). That's how you should frame this. If he steals a few catches from Diggs....Ok, cool, I guess. 17 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: So what exactly are you trying to say though? John Brown is a damn good receiver and is obviously capable of getting 1000 yard seasons. The team is better with him than without. That hasn't proven to be tru the past 5 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: He only got 1000 yards last year because he was the #1 option. Not this year. Without him, Diggs has gone buck wild, plus Beasley had career year and Davis was a huge pickup. Only so many slices of the pie to toss to Brown.,, The problem with Brown is when the Bills signed Brown to a contract last off-season, they very likely were expecting to draft a WR the following year in a deep draft class. If they had done that under a rookie contract, Browns contract would be fine, but once they traded for Diggs, Browns contract is way to high for a #2 WR who has also missed half the year and proven to be not all that needed. The Bills have one of the highest amounts of salary cap dedicated to the WR group next season BTW, around 15%. There are some teams higher, but coincidentally those are also the teams over the cap next year. It would be great to have Brown back next year, but can't see it happening without him taking a large pay cut like maybe cut his salary in half. IMO signing Feliciano, Williams and Milano to extensions would help the team more than keeping Brown around as they've already shown they can win without him. Yes there's others you can also cut to save money, but very few would generate a savings of $8 mil. Not to say you can't still sign someone else for much less that has the speed factor too to replace that one skill set. If Stills is signed that may be his role. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, BananaB said: If Beas misses a playoff game I can’t imagine Stills stepping in and running his routes after a week of practice. I can see McKenzie running a lot of Beasley’s routes and Stills running a lot of the misdirection and some of the motion McKenzie does. I imagine Josh would be more familiar and confident in McKenzie on third downs. How about Diggs in Beasley role, Smoke in Diggs role, and Stills in Smoke role? You can basically plug Diggs in anywhere. Smoke was Diggs before Diggs and Stills is the stretch the field guy. Can also run the bubble screens with his return ability. McKenzie can continue to be gadget guy. Hopefully the signing happens soon. Would be a great addition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, BananaB said: If Beas misses a playoff game I can’t imagine Stills stepping in and running his routes after a week of practice. I can see McKenzie running a lot of Beasley’s routes and Stills running a lot of the misdirection and some of the motion McKenzie does. I imagine Josh would be more familiar and confident in McKenzie on third downs. If Beasley misses RD 1 you're not going to see too much use of McKenzie. You just don't replace a guy like him which is why you're getting the anxious fans waiting for news on the injury everyday. We'll morph into moving Diggs around and use Brown and Davis outside. Some McKenzie. Against soft pass defenses which is what we might end up with in the Browns in RD 1 we should be fine. I think the Stills signing is solely about protecting ourselves in the event Brown re aggravates anything and we're down both Beasley and Brown. It's just good insurance. I'm also wondering if the Browns had some interest to. Stills had good games against us and if there is anything the Browns could use is a vet speed WR on the outside. I see we signed JJ Nelson to the practice squad to. Looks like the front office said "what could we shore up and use more of going into the playoffs?" and the answer was WR depth and speed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 27 minutes ago, BananaB said: If Beas misses a playoff game I can’t imagine Stills stepping in and running his routes after a week of practice. I can see McKenzie running a lot of Beasley’s routes and Stills running a lot of the misdirection and some of the motion McKenzie does. I imagine Josh would be more familiar and confident in McKenzie on third downs. Why not, from what they were saying the other day, Beasley doesn't run routes, he just goes to the open spot of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: They're all just lazily referencing that original Aaron Wilson tweet that was linked above. So either Aaron Wilson knows something, or he doesn't, but there's nothing new here. Exactly - this story hasn't moved forward one iota. Just a lot of rehashing of Aaron Wilson's "expected to" tweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: How about Diggs in Beasley role, Smoke in Diggs role, and Stills in Smoke role? You can basically plug Diggs in anywhere. Smoke was Diggs before Diggs and Stills is the stretch the field guy. Can also run the bubble screens with his return ability. McKenzie can continue to be gadget guy. Hopefully the signing happens soon. Would be a great addition. I think we are the point with Diggs where he is moved for the most impact and best matchup. I dont think a corner can play him 1 on 1. J.C Jackson is one of the best man Cbs in the NFL and Diggs just abused him. Diggs can play anywhere. Brown is primarily outside. Stills and a lesser extent Jj Nelson or Gentry allows Buffalo the ability to maintain there style of play. Whether its 3,4 or 5 wide. Allen deciphers the coverage and he is a beast. Spreading a defense out limits the coverage options. Thats what Buffalo is and will be going forward on offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 34 minutes ago, BananaB said: If Beas misses a playoff game I can’t imagine Stills stepping in and running his routes after a week of practice. I can see McKenzie running a lot of Beasley’s routes and Stills running a lot of the misdirection and some of the motion McKenzie does. I imagine Josh would be more familiar and confident in McKenzie on third downs. If Beasley is out, nobody will be running his routes necessarily . Whatever WR gets the snaps will run routes they are good at. The game plan would have to change to cater to who's in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Not sure he’ll have an impact if any this late into the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: They're all just lazily referencing that original Aaron Wilson tweet that was linked above. So either Aaron Wilson knows something, or he doesn't, but there's nothing new here. They also lazily screwed up quoting/citing McDermott. He specifically said this was unrelated to Beasley's injury and yet they filled in the blanks themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 59 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: If Davis had 115 targets, he would have had 989m yards--71 fewer than 7 year veteran Brown had last year. Brown has never been the Bills #2. Beasley is that guy. Inserting Brown back in the lineup has nothing to do with what might have happened if Davis was the #1 option. That doesn't even make sense. If he missed no games, Brown was not "on pace" to get 1000 yards. Look, Brown is house money--not necessary, possibly a benefit (only if he's in top shape). That's how you should frame this. If he steals a few catches from Diggs....Ok, cool, I guess. Interesting. So when I extrapolate yards and/or catches from targets, it's "ridiculous." When you do it... Anyway, putting aside the hypocrisy, Davis has done what he's done as a #2 WR this year, not #1 like Brown was last year. Which, again, is why you put Brown back in there, along with being a veteran. Davis comes in on 4 WR sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: If Davis had 115 targets, he would have had 989m yards--71 fewer than 7 year veteran Brown had last year. Brown has never been the Bills #2. Beasley is that guy. Inserting Brown back in the lineup has nothing to do with what might have happened if Davis was the #1 option. That doesn't even make sense. If he missed no games, Brown was not "on pace" to get 1000 yards. Look, Brown is house money--not necessary, possibly a benefit (only if he's in top shape). That's how you should frame this. If he steals a few catches from Diggs....Ok, cool, I guess. 1 minute ago, Doc said: Interesting. So when I extrapolate yards and/or catches from targets, it's "ridiculous." When you do it... Anyway, putting aside the hypocrisy, Davis has done what he's done as a #2 WR this year, not #1 like Brown was last year. Which, again, is why you put Brown back in there, along with being a veteran. Davis comes in on 4 WR sets. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, Doc said: Interesting. So when I extrapolate yards and/or catches from targets, it's "ridiculous." When you do it... Anyway, putting aside the hypocrisy, Davis has done what he's done as a #2 WR this year, not #1 like Brown was last year. Which, again, is why you put Brown back in there, along with being a veteran. Davis comes in on 4 WR sets. When I do it, I’m mocking you for not doing it. Davis has played 74% of Offensive snaps this year...94% since Brown hasn’t been able to answer the bell. Thats a lot of “4 WR sets” right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) Sucks the Covid protocol strings this out. Would’ve loved for them to make this decision a week or 2 ago to get him in here learning the offense. Maybe get some run this week. If he’s “maybe” cleared to start practicing next week, are we really going to use him and make him active on game day? I guess if we only ask him to do a couple things it might work with his speed. Also, if he signs a 1 year deal with us, is it really only a playoff deal vs. a true 1 year? In other words, will he be a FA this spring? I seem to recall Kelvin Benjamin signing with the Chiefs late in the year a few seasons ago on a 1 year deal and he became a FA that year (that no one wanted 😯). Could be wrong on that though. Edited January 2, 2021 by TheProcess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: When I do it, I’m mocking you for not doing it. Davis has played 74% of Offensive snaps this year...94% since Brown hasn’t been able to answer the bell. Thats a lot of “4 WR sets” right? You’re mocking me for… not making an apples to oranges comparison? OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 he signed. change the title. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Plano said: he signed. change the title. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, Plano said: he signed. change the title. Where is this announced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I just got a text he was signed. Anything official? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Last report was 5 pm, said he was about to sign, as Maverick in Top Gun said 'I feel the need for speed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, BearNorth said: Last report was 5 pm, said he was about to sign, as Maverick in Top Gun said 'I feel the need for speed". It doesn't sound like we're going to find out until he clear testing so everyone should really just chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I know I’m in the minority but I still like the idea of Duke Williams out there with Diggs & Smoke. Lets Go Buffalo!!!!! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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